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Mary Gardener Carpenter, Marion Gardener Floyd, and Jack Floyd oral history interview
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Sulphur Springs oral history project
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Carpenter, Mary Gardener
Brown, Connie J
University of South Florida Libraries -- Florida Studies Center. -- Oral History Program
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Summary:
Oral history interview with three longtime residents of Sulphur Springs, Mary Gardener Carpenter, Marion Gardener Floyd, and Jack Floyd. Carpenter and Mrs. Floyd are sisters whose family moved to Sulphur Springs in 1934. Both women married men from the neighborhood and lived there with their families. The Floyds have lived in the same house for over fifty years. In this interview, they describes the social life and customs of Sulphur Springs, including recreational activities, education, local businesses, their work history, food and drink, going to church, and friends.
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Interview conducted November 11, 2003.
Statement of Responsibility:
interviewed by Connie J. Brown

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text Connie J. Brown: This is an interview with Mary Gardener Carpenter, Marion Gardener Floyd and Jack Floyd, residents of Sulphur Springs, Florida, conducted in the Floyds home on November 11, 2003, by C.J. Brown, graduate student in anthropology from the University of South Florida.  First, let me take a moment and tell you how much we really appreciate this.  Its always exciting to talk to long term residents of an area and find out how much its changed.  The first thing I want to ask you is: what year did you first come to Sulphur Springs?  Or whenhow old were you?  Give me the circumstances.
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Mary Carpenter: It was in thirty-four [1934], 1934, when we came.
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CB: What brought you here?
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MC: Well, my parents wanted to move here.
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Marion Floyd: We moved from Georgia.
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CB: Oh, you did? Where in Georgia?
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MC: Valdosta.
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MF: They had a restaurant in Valdosta, Georgia.
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CB: And you choose Sulphur Springsthey chose Sulphur Springs specifically to move to?
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MC: Well, my parents knew some people that lived here, and so thats why we came here.
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CB: And how old were each of you when you moved here?
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MC: Well, let me see, that was in thirty-four [1934] and Im ninety-one now, so
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CB: My math isnt that good. (laughs)
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Jack Floyd: Well, what year was you born?
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CB: Yeah, what year?
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MC: Nineteen twelve.
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JF: Nineteen thirty-fourand twelve [1912]twelve from thirty-four?  Twenty three.
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CB: Twenty-three, right.  And how old were you, Mrs. Floyd?
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MF: Im figuring it out. (both laugh)
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MC: Now, she was young, real young.
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CB: Right, right.  And why did you move here?  I mean, they had a restaurant, but why did you come here?
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MC: Well, we thought it would just be better conditions and all for us to come.
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CB: Well during thirty-four [1934] that must have been part of the Depression?
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MC: It was, it was.
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CB: Okay, how many children were in the family?
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MC: Eight of us.
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CB: Eight of you moved down?
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MF: Yes, seven girls and one boy.
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CB: Oh, wow!  Have you lived anyplace else once you got to Sulphur Springs?
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MC: Well, no, Iwait, we lived on Tenth Street when we came here.
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MF: When we arrived.
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MC: Yeah, and then I lived there until I got married and then we moved to wherewe found the house that Im at now.  And so
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CB: Okay, tell me about that first house in Sulphur Springs.  Describe it or explain it to me, or give me kind of a mental picture for people.
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MC: Well, it was just a house.
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MF: Wood frame house.
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MC: A house.
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MF: And it had three bedrooms and one bath, a living room, a kitchen
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MC: And a dining room.
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MF: Well, didnt we eat on the back porch?
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MC: A lot.
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MF: Yeah.
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CB: That was a large home for that area, then?
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MC: Yeah.
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CB: Pretty much.  Okay, so then you movedright after you got married, you moved to another house.
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MF: Well, I moved to where I am now, and Ive been there ever since. Nineteen forty.
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CB: From 1940 to today.
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JF: Fifty-three years.
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CB: And what does that home look like?
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MC: Well, its a little white house, three bedrooms
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JF: Just an old framed house, thats all it is.
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MC: No, its
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MF: Two bedrooms now.
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MC: And a bath, living room, dining room, and a kitchen.
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MF: And a front screened in porch.
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JF: And you get to sleep on that screened in porch; now its a bedroom.
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CB: Is that right?  Thats right, for a long time here people didnt have air conditioning, did they?
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JF: Oh, no, there werentair conditioning wasnt even thought about back then.
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CB: Oh, wow!
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JF: Fans, thats all they had.
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CB: So, what about you give me some history on you leaving that house over on Tenth Street?  Did you leave after you got married?
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MF: Thats a long story.  No.
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JF: She moved next door to me.  I lived right next door to her when they moved here.
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MF: But seeing my mother and dad passed away in 1935
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MC: And thirty-eight [1938].
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MF: And thirty-eight [1938] and so Mary was left with five siblings, and so she moved us to her present home.  And then when my other sister got married, Julia, she said that I had to go live with her.  So I went to live over in Hyde Park with my other sister.
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CB: Oh, okay.  So how old were you when your parents passed on?  Were you still very young?
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MF: Six when my dad passed and eight when my mother passed.
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CB: Oh, my!  Really young, for goodness sakes.  So, I guess one of the things Im looking for: do you have any special memories attached to any of these homes?  Anything that when you just think about [that] house you think specifically of something that happened there, or something thats there?
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MC: Well, the Tenth Street, both of my parents passed away there.
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MF: In the same house.  And there was an elderly lady that we called her Grandma Geiger, but she wasnt any relation to us.  And she was extremely good to us.
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CB: And she lived there in the house or close?
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MF: No, she lived two doors down.
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MC: She had a home.
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CB: So tell me what Sulphur Springs was like when you first moved here?  Just take me through the town, give me some
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MC: Heres a picture of what it used to be like.
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JF: Theres the Sulphur Springs Hotel.
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MC: And everybody knew everybody.
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CB: Is that right?
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MC: Yes, we could name the neighbors from Tenth Street down to the
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JF: (inaudible) on the back of this one.
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MC: Oh, yes.  See, that was the Arcade and they tore it down.
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CB: Oh, my.
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MF: Where the dog track is now.
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CB: Right.
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MC: Some are part of the dog track
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JF: Next lot down from the dog track.
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CB: Okay, okay.  And so, did you spend a lot of time at the Arcade?
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JF: It was the only place to go.  That was Sulphur Springs right there.
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CB: That was all of Sulphur Springs, huh?
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JF: (murmurs in agreement)
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CB: So if you had these young people to raise, I take it you worked in some manner?  You had some sort of employment?
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MC: I was working on the WPA [Works Progress Administration].
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CB: Okay, what did you do?
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MC: I was a voucher clerk.
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CB: Thats one I havent heard, Ive heard about the sewing room and a lot of other things.  Tell me what a voucher clerk is.
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MC: Well, it was, you know, when they would come and want things and wed write vouchers out for them.
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CB: Oh, okay, so this was thenow, was this the first job you had when you got here, was with the voucherwith the WPA?
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MC: Yeah.
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CB: So this was
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MC: And it was in here; our office was in here. (points to photograph)
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CB: Oh, it was?
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MC: It was back over in here.
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CB: Oh, my goodness, now I havent heard that part.  Ive heard the, you know, the drug stores and everything else, but the voucher clerks office was in here.
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MC: Yeah.
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CB: Okay, okay.
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MC: Well, it was the WPA and so, you know, when they havebring food there well, we would come there and get
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CB: No!  Fill me in on this; I just get little pieces of the WPA.  I hear there was a sewing room.
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MC: Well, that was over in Ybor City, wasnt it?  The sewing room was.  But this was in the Arcade here.
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CB: And they actually brought food in for people to come in for people to come and pick up?
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MC: Yeah.
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CB: Oh, okay.  And then theres a construction part of it, too?
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JF: Yeah, there was a construction to the WPA, too.
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CB: Did they keep people employed?
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MC: Oh, yeah.
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CB: Okay, okay.  All right, so is this all there was to Sulphur Springs at the time?  Or was there more?
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JF: There were a bunch of buildings across the street; there was a movie house and a barbershop
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MF: A barbershop, a grocery store
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JF: The WPA was across the street.
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MC: You mean A&P.
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JF: I mean A&P. (laughs) A&P.
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MF: Yeah.
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CB: So you spent all your workdays here.  How about entertainment?  Did you come back into this area for entertainment?
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MC: Yes.  Well, the Tourist Club used to have dances and I always went to the dances.  That was my entertainment, mostly.  And then I went in the swimming in the pool.  I took life saving in the pool.
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CB: Oh, you did?  With classes?
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CB: Oh, really?  Oh, wonderful.  Linda will be interested in that one, Im sure about it.  Okay, so what were the major attractions besides the mall and the pool is that pretty much all thatI mean, obviously we had tourists that came into the area?
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MC: And the movies
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MF: (inaudible)
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JF: That big skating rink there.
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MC: A big skating rink.
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JF: Thats about it.
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CB: But it seems likefor as small as the town is, it seems like there was in it.
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JF: Well, that hotel there had everything in it: barbershops, dry goods store, grocery store, two drug stores, restaurant
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MC: Five and Ten.
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JF: Yeah, the five and ten cent store.
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CB: Well, now you were old enough to be there by yourself; would you have gone by yourself?
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MF: Not in the beginning, but I did.
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CB: Okay.
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MF: I went to work in Maves Five and Ten Cent store when I was thirteen.
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CB: Thirteen!  Oh, my goodness.  Okay, well talk to me some more about the Arcade.  What do you remember most about it, other than they tore it down?
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MC: Well they took a petition and people signed a petition to keep it, and I think that was one of the biggest mistakes that was ever made, when they tore it down.
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CB: Right, you think that began to change Sulphur Springs?
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MC: Yeah, because everybodyand it was to me, you know, it was everything in there.  So I couldnt understand why they didnt leave it there, because really the dog track dont even use that part
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JF: They never used it.
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MC: of the parking.
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CB: Yeah, I understand that one.  I understand.  So where else did you work besides WPA and Maves over the years?
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MF: Well, then I wentwhen I went to live with my sister Julia, I worked at Woolworths downtown.
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CB: And you came back to Sulphur Springs?
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MF: Yeah.
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CB: Okay, because you married?  Or you came back before then?
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MF: I came back before that and stayed with Mary.  I got a divorce and stayedthats all right.
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CB: So you came back and stayed with her?  And thats where you met Mr. Floyd?
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MF: Well, I had known him all along.
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JF: We had known each other since she moved next door.
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CB: Okay, so you were tooyou were already out of school, but then you must have attended Sulphur Springs School for some time?
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MF: Until I graduated from the ninth grade, and then I went to Hyde Park with Julia and went to Plant High School.
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CB: Okay, and did you go to Sulphur Springs High, tooor Sulphur Springs School?
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JF: I went there one year and that was all.
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CB: Okay, so the other thing I was going to ask you is if you still have friends here in Sulphur Springs that youve known all these years?
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MF: Oh, yeah.
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JF: Oh, yeah, weve got a bunch of them.
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CB: You see them a lot?
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JF: See them at these reunions sometimes.
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CB: And do you speak to them by phone?  Im looking for how much you stayed connected.
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MC: Several.  I had Clyde and Junior; we used to go to breakfast with them.  And the DeMontwe used to gonow, the DeMonts, we stay in touch with them a lot because Jeri and I are real close friends.
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CB: Okay, okay, so you do still have that cohesiveness.  Tell me about some of the people you remember from those first years, especially for you, because you obviously have to have somebody to help you along some way?
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MC: Well, as we say, she was saying Mrs. Geigeryou know, we called her Grandmother Geiger, and she was like a mother to us.
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MF: The neighbors was all good, I mean, even the
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MC: The in-laws.
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MF: Pastor of the Church of God
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MC: Lorton.
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MF: Lorton.  They was very good to us.
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MC: Seems like they all took an interest, you know.
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CB: Right, right.
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MC: And the in-laws lived next door to us.
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CB: Oh, okay, so that helped, too.  Okay.  Well, go back to the school for a minute and tell me about what a day in that school was like.  Tell me about going to Sulphur Springs School.
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JF: You cant remember that far back, can you?
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MC: Me?  I never went.  I never went to Sulphur Springs.  I had already graduated from Valdosta High School when we came here.
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CB: Okay.
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MF: It was a brick building; they tore it down.  Thats where we first entered first grade; you didnt go to kindergarten back then.  And you hadyou didnt have a cafeteria like they do now.  You had to bring your lunch, or go home for lunch.
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CB: Right, right.  And what kind of subjectsdid you stay in one room?  Did you move from class to class?
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MF: No, we stayed in one room from first grade until junior high, and in junior high you changed classes.
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CB: Did your children go to Sulphur Springs?
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MC: No.
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CB: So when you look atas a mother looking at your childrens experience at school and your experience at school how do you feel?  Are they [the] same?  Do you think your children got as great as teachers as you had?
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MC: No, no.
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CB: Okay, okay, so you had a real appreciation for the teachers.
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MC: You respected teachers.  When a teacher told you to do something, you did it.  You didnt act like you were indignant about it or that it was a chore, you done what they asked you to do.
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CB: Right, right.  Okay, I heard each of you say something about how you had a familyyou were affiliated with the church in Sulphur Springs.  You want to tell me which one and what kind of activities you did with the church?
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MC: Well, Northside Baptist, it was called then; we went there.  And then Lortons church was cattycornered from us, so he was real goodthe pastor there, you know.
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MF: He was a Church of God minister.
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MC: When our mother was sick he used to come have prayer for her and all that.
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MF: We attended Sunday school and at Brother Lortons, and wed go picnics and swimming, and at Christmas time theyd have a Christmas program and we would go and then theyd give a bag of candy to each child that was there.
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CB: What do you remember, if you rememberwhat do you remember about the train depot in Sulphur Springs?
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MC: You mean the streetcar?
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JF: Streetcar?
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CB: Nope, the train depot.
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JF: There wasnt no train depot in Sulphur Springs.
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MF: I have never heard of a train depot in Sulphur Springs.
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JF: The streetcar.
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MF: Its a streetcar, but no train.
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CB: So tell me about the streetcar depot, or house or whatever that
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JF: Its just a big old
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MC: Covered shed.
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JF: Yeah like a carport thing, only great big, and about three cars can pull in there at a time, and that was a dead end.  They turned around and went back downtown.
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CB: So did you ride it?
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MC: Oh, yeah.
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JF: Thats all we had to ride.
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MC: To get to town.
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CB: I was going to say, where did you go on it?
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JF: Downtown Tampa.
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MC: Downtown, and then a lot
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JF: That was the only way to get down there.
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MC: And a lot of time went to Ballast Point.
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JF: Yeah.
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MF: Yeah.
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MC: To, you know
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MF: Just to ride.
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JF: That was an all day trip to go to Ballast Point.
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CB: Well, because it was my underIve been told that most people were coming to Sulphur Springs because it was a tourist area, so I wanted to know where you guys were going out of Sulphur Springs.  You know, where you were going and what you were doing with that time.  So did you ever ride the boats from downtown to Sulphur Springs?
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MF: No, I didnt.
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MC: I didnt either.
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CB: Did you know about them?
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JF: Nope.
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MC: I never knew it was
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JF: I dont know where they were, because Ive lived here all my life and I didnt know about it either.
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MF: On Saturday, Mary would get dressed up, not like youcasual today, but dressed up to go downtown, and if we had the money she would buy a hot dog and a cold drink at Grants, but she had this to stand up because you couldnt sit down unless you got certaina dinner.  And so my youngest sister, she said, Speck I hope that I see the day that we can sit down.
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CB: Oh, for heavens sakes.  In other words, you hadnt spent enough money for the right to sit down.
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MC: Thats it, thats it.
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CB: Oh, my goodness!  Now, where was this?  This was downtown?
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CB: So did you go downsomeone had told me earlier that they would get on the trolley and go downtown to pay bills.
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JF: Well, downtown was the only shopping place there was at that time.  You paid your bills down there and everything else down at Tampa Electric.
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CB: But you couldnt do that up here at the Arcade?
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JF: But then we didnt have city water then, we had (inaudible).
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MC: Yeah, yeah, right.
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CB: Okay, so how did you get around?  Did you walk, did you have a car, did you mostly take, you knowhow did you get around in those later days?
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JF: Me and her?  I tote her on a bicycle.
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CB: Is that right?  (all laugh)
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MC: Well, I traveled most on the streetcar.
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MC: Yeah.
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MF: We walked from Tenth Street to Sulphur Springs to go swimming or to the movie or anything.
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CB: So when did you get your first car?
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MC: Well, when I got married Iwell, Daddy had a car.
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MC: My dad, but of course then I didnt get a car until I got married.
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CB: And tell me about getting your drivers license.
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MC: I didnt have a drivers license for years and years and years.
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CB: Didnt have to have one, huh?
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MC: Thats true.
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CB: Okay, okay.  Now, I know that all of these are kind of not related, but at any point that it takes you into a story, feel free to go forward.  What was your favorite food growing up?  I want you to talk to me about eating, especially during the Depression.  Why dont you tell me about some of the things that you ate?
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MF: Well, we were poor as church mouse, but we always ate good.
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MC: Yeah.
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MF: (inaudible) and stretch it all.  And we always ate good.
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MC: And they used to have, like, a mission, and you paid ten or twenty-five centsit was variedand you could go and they gave you a lot of vegetables and things.
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CB: So, what was your favorite foods growing up?
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MC: Well, I think we had just about everything.
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MF: And we enjoyed just about everything
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MC: We still do, dont we?
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CB: You werent picky eaters, right?
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MF: No, maam.
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MC: Not a one.  I think Andy was a
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MF: Our youngest sister, because we spoiled her and she gotcame along because she was so young when our parents passed away.
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CB: Well, was there any special food in the family or any traditions regarding food?  You know, like different families have some special story or some special tradition that they have certain foods?
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MC: Well, I always made fruitcake for Christmas.
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CB: Okay, where did you get that recipe?
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MC: It was, what was thatit was always in the paper.
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MF: Mrs. Smith.  But that was years later, Mary, not when we were kids.
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MC: And then the A&P had good fruitcake.
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MF and JF: Oh, yes!
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MC: We used to buy.
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MF: She would lay it away [layaway], and pay on it from the first of November till time to get it out for Christmas.
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CB: Is that right?
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MF: Yes, maam.  Now, that I remember real well, and it was a five-pound fruitcake and it only was a very reasonable, like five dollars.  Maybe not that much.
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JF: I think it was five dollars.
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MC: I cant remember.
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MF: But it was very reasonable, but you could lay it away and pay on it.
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MC: At the A&P they had the best fruitcakes you could get.
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CB: Is that right?
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MF: Yes.
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CB: Well, at least tell me what a typical dinner was like, especially for those Depression years?  Or lunch, what did you pack for lunch to go to school?
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MF: Anything we had in the refrigerator or the icebox. (laughs)
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CB: Okay, all right.  I see you have some papers in front of us.  Lets get to those and you tell me about those.
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MC: Well, let me see now.  Let me see what this is.
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CB: The snow was everywhere.  Oh, we had snow!
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MC: Oh, yeah.
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JF: Oh, thats when it snowed here, yeah.
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MC: Nineteen seventy-seven.
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MF: See, look at the snowman.
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CB: Oh, my goodness!  Right here, huh?
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MC: Yes.
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MF: Yeah.
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CB: But thats the first time youd seen snow since you left Georgia?
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MC: Yeah, yeah.
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CB: Oh, my goodness.
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MC: You see, they had quite a bit because
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CB: Look at that.
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JF: Here it is.  The ground was white.
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CB: So it says, 1977 joins 1895 and 1835 in Tampa snowfall history.  Well, we dont get it very often, do we?
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MF: Nope.
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CB: Oh, my goodness, all right!  Do you remember that day?
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MC: Oh, yeah.  A friend of mine, she called me.  Mary, get up!  It was real early.  Get up and look out the window!  Pat Hanson, she called me and said, Get up and look out the window.
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CB: What about you, what were you doing?  Do you remember that day?
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MC: Yes, I was working at Carrollwood Elementary.
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CB: And what else have we got here?
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MC: That was at the tourist club when
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CB: Oh, okay, are you in that picture at the Tourist Club?
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MC: No, nope.
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CB: Okay, now when would have this would have been?  This would have been 1983, okay, all right.
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MC: That was the shuffleboard group.
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CB: Okay, and you went for the dances?
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MC: Oh, yeah, I danced.  I didnt care about shuffleboard.
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CB: Okay, how about clubs and organizations?  Were there any there in Sulphur Springs, anything in particular you were going in to?
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MF: Just the Tourist Club, thats all that
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MC: Yeah.
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MF: The only club that I knew of.
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CB: Okay, so how about telling me about meeting for first husband, each of you, or the second, whichever youd prefer to talk about?
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MC: Well, I only had one, so hein fact, I had a date with someone else and this other person couldnt come to take me to the dance and so Earl filled in.  And so we kept going together, and then got married.
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CB: How long did you go together before you got married?  Weeks, months, a year?
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MC: Years.
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CB: Oh, okay. (laughs)
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MC: You were going to be sure, huh?
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CB: Yeah.
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MC: I didnt marry him until 1940, so we went together for quite a while.
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CB: And what kind of work did he do?
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MC: He was a shoe salesman.
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JF: He worked the shipyard for a while.
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MC: Yeah, he did.
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MF: During the war he worked at the shipyard.
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MC: Yeah, he worked in the shipyard during the war.
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JF: He worked at the shipyard when I went to the service.
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MC: Yeah, but he was a shoe salesman.  He worked at Butlers and then he went over to Clearwater and still he was with Butlers.
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CB: Well, tell me about the war.  You moved to Sulphur Springs during the Depression, and it obviously had an impact on you as far as your life and et cetera.  What about the war?  Tell me about the war years.
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MC: Well, my brother was inhe was in the war.  But my husband, being that he was working at the shipyard, they didnt take him.  And then we had a son, so theyI dont know if theywhat he would have done in the war, but anyway he went to the shipyard like Jack said so, that way hethey didnt take him.
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CB: Good.  What about you?  Want to tell me about
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MF: I was in school when
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CB: The war came?
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MF: (murmurs in agreement)
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CB: Okay, how did it affect your life?
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MF: Oh, when you first heard about it, becausethey bombed Pearl Harbor and thats the first things we heard was the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor.  And it was devastating, just like the terrorists: when you heard that, you knew that things would be different
MF is referring to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.
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CB: Right, right.  And you, Mr. Floyd?
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JF: Well, I went in the serviceI quit school in the ninth grade.  I was working at the shipyard.  I turned seventeen, and of course they drafted at seventeen back then.  So I went ahead and joined the Navy and I was in four years.
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CB: So did youso tell me about meeting this man?
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MF: Well, when I came home, he was working in Sarasota and
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JF: After I got out of the service.
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MF: And I was walking down thewalking to Sulphur Springs with my two young boys and he came along in a car and asked me if I wanted a ride.  But I had known him, living next door to him since I was thirteen.
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JF: Thirteen, yeah.
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CB: Oh, wow.  Oh, wow.  So did you go together years also, the two of you?
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MF: Well, we went together again.
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JF: I dont know how long we were together?
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MF: About a year or year and a half.
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MC: Yeah.
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MF: Before we married.
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CB: Did you have any chores when you were growing up?
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MF: (laughs) Well, yes!
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CB: Well, with the circumstancebut do you remember what any of them were?
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MF: I had to get up and fix breakfast for my brother and my brother-in-law and packed their lunches for them to go to work.  Then we had to help her wash, and she had a washing machine but we had to rub the white clothes before we could put them in the washing machine.
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CB: Why and how did you rub them?  I mean, lots of
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MF: We had a rub board.
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CB: Lots of people wont understand this; we have to tell them about it.
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MF: Rub board.
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CB: Okay.  Why did you rub them, though?
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MF: Because it was orders from headquarters.
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CB: (laughs) Well, what Im getting at is obviously were talkingthey didnt have bleach.  Did you use, like, lye soap?  Or what, just rub it?  I mean, did that help the dirt come out?
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MC: Well, no, youd put soap on it.
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CB: Okay, so its kind of like scrubbing?
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MF: It was armpits and
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JF: Octagon Soap, they used to call it.
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CB: Octagon?
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JF: Yeah, it was brown looking
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MF: With the bar about that long and about that wide.  (makes gestures)
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CB: Oh, my goodness.
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MF: And you had a rub board and you scrub the collars and the cuffs and then you could put them in the
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JF: Washing machine.
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MF: And turn your pockets wrong side out to be sure the pockets
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CB: Well, tell meI heard somebody say earlier about getting on city waters.  So, tell me a little bit about the utilities and everything, the water.  Were you on a well?
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JF: No.
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MC: Hamilton Heat.
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JF: Hamilton Heat used to come outand Hillsborough River up thereand it was pumped through the station there in Sulphur Springs and everybody was hooked to it.  In fact, I just got off it last year myself.
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CB: Is that right?
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JF: Everybody else here was on city water and came around and took out the old Hamilton Heat pipes out in the road and they cut my water off.
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CB: So you had to go onto city water.
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JF: So I called them, I said, Maam, you just cut my water off.  Where?  Right over there in that house.  Oh, no.  I said, I was on Hamilton Heat and Water.  Oh, you got to be kidding.  I said, No.  So anyhow, they had to come out and put me on a meter.  We sit here and watched everybody else hook up to it and wondered why we didnt.  Im not going to say nothing.
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CB: Okay, so what about electricity?  Was electricity pretty stable?
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JF: Weve always had that.
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MC: Well, Ive always had electricity that I can remember.  I mean
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CB: Right, right.  So you didnt have problems with it during rainstorms or anything like that?
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MC: I dont remember.  It might when it was lightning and all the lights would go out for a little while, but they usually didnt stay off too long.
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JF: Still have that problem.
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CB: Right.  So, what was the biggest change that youve seen in Sulphur Springs as an adult?
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MC: Well, I think they made the worse mistake they ever made when they tore that building down.
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CB: How do you think it affected the Springs when they tore that down?
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MC: Well, itI would have said that was the
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JF: Tourist attraction.
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MC: Yeah, that alone.
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MF: And the pool.  They closed the pool for years, Sulphur Springs pool.  And that was a meeting place and a lot of tourists came to the pool.
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JF: Right.
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CB: So you feel when you lost the tourists it made a bigthat was one of the biggest dents in Suphur Springs?
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MF: Yes.
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CB: Okay, okay.  Whats thewhat was the biggest event or change you can remember when you first got to Sulphur Springs?  Not tearing down the Arcade but, like, you as a child, you know, what wasor you in your early years.  What big thing did you remember, some big experience or event or something that left an impression on you?
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JF: I dont know.
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MC: I dont
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JF: We had one flood when I was a kid.  I lived a block from the old Nebraska Avenue bridge at that time.
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CB: Okay, tell mewhat year would that have been roughly?
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JF: I dont know what year that was.
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CB: In the thirties [1930s], in the forties [1940s], in the
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JF: Had to have been in the thirties [1930s]
This was the flood of September 1933, caused by the 1933 Treasure Coast hurricane. Heavy rainfall resulted in the collapse of Tampa Electrics dam..
.  But somebody knocked on our door one morning, jumped out of bed and jumped right in the water.  Water was already up in our house.  Yeah, we were out in a boat.
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CB: Oh, were you here for that flood?
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MC: I dont remember.
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MF: (inaudible)
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JF: I dont think so, no.
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MC: I dont think we were here.
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JF: That was before I moved up there where I am.
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MC: Oh, yeah.  Well, we werent
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JF: You werent here yet.
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CB: Okay, okay.  So was your family doctor in Sulphur Springs?  Tell me about havingdid you have a family doctor?
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MC: No, I dont think we had a regular family doctor that I remember.
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MF: Nope, me either.
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CB: Evidently you didnt go to a doctor back then?
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MC: Thats right.
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MF: We didnt, we didnt.
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CB: So did you drink the sulfur water?
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MF: Some, but not much, cause we didnt like the taste of it.
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CB: So what did you think kept you so healthy?  I mean, if you didnt have a family doctor and you didnt go so much, you obviously were healthy.
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MC: Well, we must have just come from a good stock or something, but wenobody was sick that I can remember.  But we ate good and we exercised.
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CB: Okay, okay.  So you said that you went to the Tourist Club, so youve been over there.  Did any of you ever go get water specifically from the gazebo or the Tourist Club?
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MC: Yeah they had ait wasyou could go there and get the sulfur water if you wanted a well
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JF: They had a spring right outside of there, and it flowed all the time.
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MC: And it flowed all the time.
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JF: I dont know if thats still there or not, is it?
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MC: I dont think so.
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MF: I dont know.
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CB: Its been capped off.
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JF: Probably has been.
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CB: Has been capped off. And you are so funny because one of my questions was, did you ever go to the Tourist Club?  So, tell me about being inside the Tourist Club?
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MC: Well, we used to have the broom dance
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MF: No alcohol allowed.
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CB: Is that right?  Thats the first Ive heard of that.
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JF: Yeah.
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MF: Yeah, no alcohol.  It was strictly entertainment and it wasnt anything that you had to worry about, young person trouble getting into, because it was nothing they could get into up there except the dance.
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CB: Right, right.
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MC: And they had square dancin, and round dancin, too.
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CB: They had USO [United Service Organizations] dances up there, you said?
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MC: No, I dont know.  I cant remember.
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JF: No not up there, (inaudible) where they used to have those events.
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CB: The USO dances?  Okay.  I know there was some tourist rentals in Sulphur Springs, or have been told there have been.  But did most of the people in town own their homes or did they rent?
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MC: Well, we rented until I moved up back to where I am.
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CB: Right, right.  Was thatI mean, how much would you saythere was a lot of rental property in Sulphur Springs?
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MC: Yes, I would say quite a few.
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CB: Okay, okay.  And did people move often in the Springs?
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MC: Well
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CB: You know, if you were a regular resident, did you moveyou obviously didnt, youve lived at the same
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MF: Yeah, and I dont think other people did because the DeMonts lived up there a long time and the Crews owned their place, but they lived a time, and then the Sanders
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MC: Right, they owned their own, too.
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MF: All of them.
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JF: Carl Hensel, all of them lived right here for years and years and years.
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MF: Yeah.
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CB: So there wasnt that much moving?  Do you remember anything about Jim Walters Homes?
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JF: Yes, I used to work for him.
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CB: Oh, you did? For Jim Walters Homes, or Jim Walters?
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JF: Jim Walters Homes.
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CB: Okay, okay, and so
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MF: And he was my sisters brother-in-law.
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CB: Oh, okay.
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MF: She was a Walters before she passed.
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CB: Is that right?
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MF: She passed this December will be three years.
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CB: Well, Ive thrown the question out several times and a lot of people say, Oh, we knew about it.  But youre the first times that ever had a real connection with that. So tell me a little bit about that, how it got started and whether it had
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JF: Well, he started right down here on Waters Avenue, across the street from the dog track, little old one story house, about twenty [feet] by twenty-four or six, I think, at that time.
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CB: Oh, wow.
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MF: Is that where the church parking lot is now?
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JF: Yeah, thats where the church is now, thats right.
480
00:37:37.6
CB: Is that right?
481
00:37:38.8
MC: Yeah, the Methodist Church.
482
00:37:40.3
JF: Yeah, the little warehouse, thats where I started to work for him.
483
00:37:42.1
CB: Well, for goodness sakes.
484
00:37:43.7
JF: And then he moved over on Hillsborough Avenue and put up about four or five models over there.  I was on the road.  I covered thirteen states for hauling building material up there, mostly nails and doors to different warehouses.  But I worked with him for fifteen years.
485
00:38:2.1
CB: Is that right?
486
00:38:3.6
MF: And his mother and daddy lived in the Arcade in an apartment.
487
00:38:8.1
CB: Is that right?
488
00:38:9.6
MF: (murmurs in agreement)
489
00:38:10.3
JF: Jim Walters.
490
00:38:12.3
CB: Ill be darned.  Have you ever been upstairs in the Arcade?
491
00:38:15.9
MF: Oh, yes!
492
00:38:16.5
MC: Oh, yeah!
493
00:38:17.3
CB: So tell me whats up there?  Everybody talks about the downstairs.
494
00:38:20.5
JF: Its like a hotel; it looks just like a hotel.
495
00:38:21.5
MF: It was a hotel.
496
00:38:22.6
MC: Its like a big hotel, a big hotel.
497
00:38:24.3
MF: But they had converted some into apartments and they had a two-bedroom living room and a kitchen combination of dining and one bath.  They didnt have but one bath.
498
00:38:40.6
CB: Well, I had heard that there were dances on that top floor somewhere, too.
499
00:38:45.1
MC: Well, I never went to them or ever
500
00:38:48.3
JF: Never heard of that either.
501
00:38:49.0
CB: Was there any place up there for them to have a dance?  I mean, if its a hotel there might not be a thing
502
00:38:54.0
MC: I dont know.
503
00:38:54.9
MF: I never
504
00:38:55.8
JF: Never heard of it.
505
00:38:57.3
MC: Me either.
506
00:38:59.4
CB: Okay, and there were eating places down below?
507
00:39:2.4
JF: Yeah, there was a restaurant down at the end of that hotel down there.
508
00:39:4.9
CB: Okay, was that a fancy restaurant or is that some place you dropped in?
509
00:39:9.0
JF: Well, back then it was a
510
00:39:10.0
MC: A fancy restaurant.
511
00:39:11.5
JF: A fancy restaurant.
512
00:39:12.1
CB: Okay.
513
00:39:12.7
JF: It was the only one around.
514
00:39:16.1
MC: We were lucky to go. (laughs)
515
00:39:17.5
JF: It was the only one around.
516
00:39:18.4
MC: Once in a while; that was where we got a little better off.  (all laugh)
517
00:39:22.1
CB: Well, I also heard people say Billy Graham got his start out in this area.  Did you
518
00:39:30.3
MC: In Temple Terrace.
519
00:39:31.2
CB: Yeah, did you ever get to go see Billy Graham when he was just starting out?
520
00:39:34.4
MC: Not when he was starting out, no.
521
00:39:37.1
CB: You found out about him after the fact, right?
522
00:39:39.6
MC: Right.
523
00:39:40.2
MF: Right, right.
524
00:39:41.3
CB: Okay, so what kind of health routines did you do?  I mean, you know somebody whos always giving their kids cod liver oil or something like that?
525
00:39:50.6
JF: (coughs)
526
00:39:51.9
CB: Oh, theres a story, somebody going to laugh.  Okay, all right, so tell me.
527
00:39:57.3
MF: (laughs) (inaudible) Springs, Mrs. Carpenter would give us (laughs) cod liver oil, by all means.  And Im telling you
528
00:40:12.9
CB: Ever Spring, right?
529
00:40:13.7
MF: Oh, boy, would she give cod liver oil.
530
00:40:20.5
CB: Now, what was that supposed to do for you health-wise? (laughs)
531
00:40:23.4
MF: It cleans(laughs)
532
00:40:26.1
CB: It cleans you out, right?
533
00:40:27.9
MF: Right, right.
534
00:40:29.0
MC: Kept them alive.
535
00:40:34.5
MF: And she gave us sulfur and cream of tartar tablets, but you cant even buy that today.
536
00:40:41.8
CB: Now was this a combination tablet of sulfur and cream of tartar?
537
00:40:45.7
MC: Yes.
538
00:40:46.4
MF: Yes.
539
00:40:47.2
CB: And what was that supposed to do?  Same thing?
540
00:40:50.6
MF: It was supposed to purify your blood.
541
00:40:54.2
CB: Purify the blood, okay?  Well, it must have worked; you all look pretty good to me.  (all laugh)  Well, what else didwhat else, wonderful little jewels, did we do to get healthy?
542
00:41:5.5
MC: Those are the two that I really remember.
543
00:41:7.6
CB: And did you take that on into when you were a mother?  Did you pass that on?
544
00:41:11.3
MC: No, maam, I sure didnt.  I didnt, I didnt.  I had to give them cod liver oil once in a while, but I didnt give it to them religiously.  (CB laughs) Theyd have rebelled.
545
00:41:22.8
CB: Okay, so can you remembertell me about the grocery stores, either what you bought there or what kind of pricing there was or how youor how did you manage, because this was a really rough time in our history.  How did you manage?
546
00:41:41.7
MC: Well, Id go the A&P and I couldI done most of my shopping at the A&P.
547
00:41:48.7
JF: That was the biggest, really, store in the
548
00:41:51.1
MC: In the Springs.
549
00:41:51.9
JF: Yeah, there was a home supply there in the
550
00:41:54.8
CB: In the Arcade?
551
00:41:56.6
JF: Arcade, thats where Winn-Dixie really started from.
552
00:41:59.7
CB: Is that right?
553
00:42:0.6
JF: Was the home supply, table supply, food supply.  And Winn-Dixie
554
00:42:7.0
MF: But she could buy just about any and everything for ten cents.
555
00:42:13.2
JF: Oh, yeah.
556
00:42:14.0
CB: Exactly.
557
00:42:14.7
MF: You take five dollars and buy a basket of groceries.
558
00:42:19.3
JF: Oh, yeah, come home with
559
00:42:21.6
CB: So did you have a garden to supplement?
560
00:42:24.2
MC: No.
561
00:42:24.8
MF: We had chickens that one time.
562
00:42:27.2
CB: Okay, tell me about the chickens.  Just for the eggs?
563
00:42:29.8
MF: That was for eating, too.
564
00:42:32.3
JF: Eggs and chicken.
565
00:42:33.9
CB: Okay, so did you have to clean those chickens?
566
00:42:37.1
MF: Yes, maam.
567
00:42:38.3
CB: Which means you also had to put them down?
568
00:42:40.3
MF: Oh, yes, we knew how to put them down, really.
569
00:42:44.2
CB: And how did you put them down?
570
00:42:46.6
MC: Wring their necks.
571
00:42:48.5
MF: (Makes noise)
572
00:42:49.9
CB: Okay, you wrung their neck by swinging them around?
573
00:42:57.1
MF: Yup, and then you throw them in the yard and you let them flop.
574
00:43:1.0
JF: Theyll put you in jail for that today, being cruel to
575
00:43:5.7
CB: Thats right.
576
00:43:6.8
MC: Being cruel to animals.
577
00:43:7.7
CB: Thats right.
578
00:43:8.6
MC: You said it.
579
00:43:9.0
CB: But these are the things that people, you know, wont understand.  I remember my grandmother talking about it, thats why I was asking.  People dont know how did weyou know, before you just went and found this chicken already dressed, how did you go about fixing your meals?  How did you go about, you know, preparing or taking care of your family?
580
00:43:27.0
JF: We always raised chickens, too.
581
00:43:28.8
CB: Okay.
582
00:43:29.8
MC: And you had a garden.
583
00:43:30.9
JF: Yeah, and I used to try and grow a little garden in there.
584
00:43:34.7
CB: And how about clothes, where did you comewhere did you compose your clothes?
585
00:43:39.4
JF: They bought a lot of flour in big sacks.
586
00:43:42.9
MF: And Maribel made all of our clothes.
587
00:43:46.4
MC: And I can sew.  I can sew.
588
00:43:48.2
JF: And flour sacks.
589
00:43:49.0
MC: Most all of their clothes.
590
00:43:50.6
CB: Well a lot of people have heard about sewing out of flour sacks, and so tell me how did you prepare it?  Most of the young people today wont even relate to a cloth flour sack. So how did you prepare the fabric?
591
00:44:4.7
MC: When you had to clean them good, wash them real good.  And then most all of the trimming would come off.
592
00:44:13.9
CB: Okay, so was everything one color or did you dye it?
593
00:44:17.9
MC: No, I didnt dye nothing.
594
00:44:19.3
MF: No, she didnt dye nothing, and then her husbandwhere did you get the material to make that white silk dress of mine?
595
00:44:29.2
MC: Well, at the store, decorations.
596
00:44:32.6
MF: Thats what I thought.  Earl brought it to you.
597
00:44:35.2
MC: Yeah, its silk.
598
00:44:36.7
MF: Well, then I wasyeah, I was about ten years old.  She made me a white dress out of this silk material and she appliqud little flowers
599
00:44:48.2
MC: Embroidered it.  I embroidered it.
600
00:44:51.4
MF: all down the front of it.
601
00:44:52.9
CB: Oh, my goodness.
602
00:44:53.9
MF: And the pink roses, little rose buds.  And then sheand we went to the movies, she would see Shirley Temple dresses, and she went home and cut her out a pattern and made my youngest sister a dress just like it.
603
00:45:12.6
CB: Oh, my goodness.
604
00:45:13.7
MF: She was very talented.
605
00:45:15.3
CB: Obviously, a woman of many talents, and to hold it all together, too.
606
00:45:19.4
MF: And then when her only son drowned, well, she had us
607
00:45:28.2
CB: Was he very young when you lost
608
00:45:32.4
MC: Sixteen.
609
00:45:33.3
CB: Oh, that would have been very difficult.  Go ahead.
610
00:45:36.8
MC: Hed have been the first of the graduating class from Chamberlain High School that year.
611
00:45:42.6
MF: He was in the class, the first class that graduated from Chamberlain High.
612
00:45:47.6
CB: Oh, for goodness sakes.
613
00:45:49.5
MC: And he played in the band, he played the trumpet.
614
00:45:53.4
CB: And did he drown here inif its not too painfulin the river?
615
00:45:59.0
MC: Yeah, Hillsborough River.
616
00:46:1.0
CB: Is that right?
617
00:46:2.1
MC: He and a boya friend of his wanted him to go change a boat or something; I never did really understand what it was all about.  And I told him, I said, Well, I wanted you to stay and help me today.  And he said, Doing what? And so I said, Well, go on.  And so they were fooling around, that made himbecause I think he was trying to get upwhat I understood, he was trying to get up on skis in the deep water, and this friend of his would go around the boat and throw the rope at him and tell him to grab on to it, you know.
618
00:46:43.5
CB: Okay, in 195(inaudible).  And what about your children, tell me about having your children?
619
00:46:52.8
MF: Well, I had two of them right here in this house.
620
00:46:57.2
CB: Did you?
621
00:46:58.0
MF: (murmurs in agreement) And then I had one, my daughter was born in 1953 and we were living in the projects and I had her first and then had the two boys.
622
00:47:12.6
CB: Now, tell me where the projects are?
623
00:47:14.2
MF: Well, theyre not any more. (inaudible)
624
00:47:16.6
CB: And it was a part of Sulphur Springs?
625
00:47:19.4
MF: Well, they were right over the bridge.
626
00:47:22.0
CB: Okay, okay, and why do they have the name the projects?  In other words, give me some history.  Im not from the area.
627
00:47:28.6
MC: Low income.
628
00:47:29.7
MF: Yeah, low income.
629
00:47:31.0
JF: Low income, yeah.
630
00:47:32.3
CB: And then you moved from there to?
631
00:47:35.7
MF: Right here.
632
00:47:36.5
CB: Right here?
633
00:47:37.2
JF: (murmurs in agreement)
634
00:47:37.8
MF: Been here ever since.
635
00:47:38.8
JF: Been here fifty-one years.
636
00:47:39.9
CB: In this house?
637
00:47:40.7
MF: (murmurs in agreement)
638
00:47:41.5
CB: Thats amazing.  (inaudible) to stay for fifty-one years.
639
00:47:45.9
JF: Right, when we moved here that kitchen and front room was in that room right there; this was the back porch area.
640
00:47:51.4
CB: Oh, my! So it was a
641
00:47:53.6
JF: Two bedroom, one bathroom area.
642
00:47:55.2
CB: Okay, and so youve added on (inaudible).
643
00:47:57.6
JF: I got her this, another bath, another bedroom and Florida room.
644
00:48:0.7
CB: Got a groove a little bit onsomeone was telling me in one of the interviews about how she used to throw her wash water out in the back, and then when they came along and changed, somehow she wasnt allowed to do that anymore.
645
00:48:14.6
MC: The city water.
646
00:48:15.4
JF: She had to hook up to city sewage.
647
00:48:16.5
CB: Okay. So you werent allowed to throw your wash water back in the trenches anymore?
648
00:48:20.9
MC: No.
649
00:48:21.6
CB: Okay.
650
00:48:22.6
JF: Well, I aint going to say nothing now.
651
00:48:24.3
MC: But I doI mean, Ive got to think that Ive run a drain that runs it right in the yard and waters the yard.
652
00:48:32.3
CB: Well, I wondered why we would want to waste good water.
653
00:48:35.4
MF: Because it has detergent in it.
654
00:48:38.7
CB: Oh, okay. Well, tell me some more of these great stories you started to tell me at the reunion?  Tell me about what you remember about some of the other jobs youve had.  Youve worked for the WPA?
655
00:48:57.8
MC: Yeah.
656
00:48:58.4
CB: And you worked for who else?
657
00:49:3.0
MC: Well, Ive worked in the sewing room when my mother was sick.
658
00:49:7.1
CB: Did you?
659
00:49:7.8
MC: She had worked in the sewing room and I was handing out all the materials.  I was a clerk, like, in the cutting room.
660
00:49:21.0
CB: Okay, so she passed from being ill with something, your mom?
661
00:49:25.7
MF: Oh, yes, she had cancer.
662
00:49:27.6
CB: Okay, and did Daddy pass from being ill or was there an accident?
663
00:49:32.9
MC: Yeah.  No, he hadcerebral hemorrhage.
664
00:49:36.2
CB: Oh, my goodness.  Okay.
665
00:49:38.6
MF: And they both passed at age fifty.  And when she [Marion] turned fifty she was afraid shed pass because she didnt have any relation that lived pass fifty, but here she is at ninety-one, almost ninety-two next year, and shes going strong.
666
00:50:1.8
CB: I think you might be trying to hit that double fifty, it sounds like to me.
667
00:50:5.5
MC: (laughs) I think so, too.  She probably will.
668
00:50:7.9
CB: Youre going to make it up for everybody.
669
00:50:9.8
MC: I hope so, as long as I can wait on myself.
670
00:50:14.2
CB: Well, you both seem very healthy and very capable and get around and everything else.  How do you fill your days today?  You obviously fill yours constantly; getting this appointment was interesting.  What are some of the activities you are involved in?
671
00:50:31.7
MC: Well I go to the SNAP [Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program] program every day.
672
00:50:35.7
CB: I dont know what that is.
673
00:50:37.1
MC: Well, its senior citizens; they serve meals there.  I go and I help serve the meals and I wash all the trays.
674
00:50:47.6
MF: She has a job every day.
675
00:50:50.9
CB: Sounds like it.  Do you think that makes
676
00:50:53.7
MC: Volunteer.  I volunteer.
677
00:50:55.4
CB: You think that has made a difference on your outlook on life?
678
00:50:58.0
MC: Well, I think so.  You dont have time to pity yourself, you see somebody else worse off then you are.
679
00:51:6.5
CB: And how do you fill your days?  Trying to find her? (all laugh)
680
00:51:13.0
MF: No! I let her roam until dark, then I check up on her.
681
00:51:18.0
JF: You have to make an appointment with her to see her in the daytime.
682
00:51:22.6
CB: I guess.
683
00:51:23.4
MF: No, Jack and I used to volunteer at the school before he became sick, but since hes been sick, well, we dont volunteer like we did.  And every other Wednesday I go to the church for a luncheon, and then were going to have a garage sale, and I keep myself real busy.
684
00:51:48.4
CB: Sounds like it.  Do you think that has an impact on the fact you stay healthy?
685
00:51:52.7
MF: Yes, I think that if youre active and you read and you find things to occupy your mind and dont feel sorry for yourself and dont regret things that has happened in the past, well
686
00:52:9.3
JF: The minute you sit down and dont do nothing, youre not going to last long.
687
00:52:12.6
CB: So whats the thing youre most concerned people wont know about Sulphur Springs or they wont remember?   What would you want people to know and remember about Sulphur Springs, the one you knew?
688
00:52:25.0
MC: Well, I think the swimming in the pools; it used to be like a beach there.
689
00:52:30.4
CB: Is that right?
690
00:52:31.2
MC: Yes.
691
00:52:31.8
JF: Thats where all the kids went on the weekend.
692
00:52:33.2
MC: Yeah.
693
00:52:33.8
MF: Well, come May, everybody would go to the pool even and start swimming.
694
00:52:40.3
JF: Right.
695
00:52:40.8
CB: Is that right?
696
00:52:41.6
MF: Yeah.
697
00:52:42.2
CB: And you swam all through the summer?
698
00:52:45.5
JF: Yeah.
699
00:52:46.3
MF: All through the summer; it was only a dime to get in.  And we skated a lot, went to the skating rink.
700
00:52:55.8
CB: Well, what would you want them to know about the town itself?  What would think thatwhat would be the image that you want people to understand about what it was like to live in Sulphur Springs?  Anything special?
701
00:53:11.6
JF: Well, Id say there wasnt much here except that swimming pool, skating rink, and one movie.
702
00:53:16.5
MF: But it was a close kniteverybody, you could walk down to the Arcade and youd meetanybody youd me youd know by face and name.  And if they come in towhen I was a kid and come in to Maves Five and Ten Cent Store, you would know them.  And at Christmas time they had chocolate covered cherries and it wouldpound box fifty-nine cents, I never forgot that.
703
00:53:46.4
CB: Oh, my goodness.
704
00:53:47.3
MF: Because I asked for the chocolate covered cherries one Christmas and got so many, I dont like them. (CB laughs)
705
00:53:55.2
CB: You dont eat them anymore, huh?
706
00:53:57.2
MF: No.
707
00:54:0.5
CB: So that was obviously one of your most memorable Christmas presents.  How about birthdays?  Do you remember celebrating any other holidays or birthdays?
708
00:54:14.1
MF: Well, she always made us feel special because wed get one gift and usually ateven at Christmas, shed try to get us the one gift that we wanted.
709
00:54:30.3
CB: You really had a lot of work to do here, didnt you? (CB laughs) You really did.  Well, what would you want people to remember about you personally when your great-great-great-great-great-grandnieces and -nephews and whoever listen to this tape?  What do you want them to know about who you were as a person?
710
00:54:48.7
MF: That I tried to live my life, that I set a good example, that I didnt hurt someone and didnt apologize or
711
00:55:6.2
MC: Well, I just alwaysI didnt want to do anything that my parents would be ashamed of.
712
00:55:23.0
MF: And she taught us that.  She said, Dont ever do anything that youd be ashamed for your parents to know.
713
00:55:33.1
CB: Right, right.  Now, your parents name was?
714
00:55:36.7
MC: Gardener.
715
00:55:39.3
CB: Right.
716
00:55:39.8
MC: Alice and James Gardener.
717
00:55:41.2
CB: Okay, and how about you?  Anything to add to what you want people to remember you aboutabout you?
718
00:55:48.0
JF: I dont think anybody will remember me.
719
00:55:50.5
CB: (laughs)
720
00:55:51.8
MC: Oh, your children will remember you, Daddy.
721
00:55:54.8
JF: I dont really know.
722
00:55:58.3
CB: Any other special things that we havent hit on that you might want to mention about Sulphur Springs, or you want to talk about, share with me?
723
00:56:5.7
MF: Well, his mother was the first barber in Sulphur Springs.
724
00:56:9.6
CB: Is that right?
725
00:56:10.5
JF: In Tampa.
726
00:56:11.1
MF: In Tampa, yeah.
727
00:56:12.3
JF: She started down there on Franklin Street.
728
00:56:16.7
MC: The lady barber, the first lady barber.
729
00:56:18.7
MF: Yeah.
730
00:56:19.2
CB: Oh, for goodness sakes.
731
00:56:20.9
MF: And then she moved
732
00:56:22.7
JF: She moved up there on at the Foxworth building.
733
00:56:25.1
MF: And then she moved right in the corner of Sulphur Springs.
734
00:56:29.4
JF: Right down there by the Tourist Club, right?
735
00:56:30.8
MF: Yeah.
736
00:56:31.4
JF: By the river.
737
00:56:31.9
CB: Is that right?  Do you remember the tin canlike, they call them the tin-can tourists or whatever; do you remember them coming to town?  In their littlethey call them tin-can tourist or something because they would bring their own tin cans worth of food and they pull in their Airstream trailers.  (JF laughs) Remember any of the campgrounds or anything like that around here?
738
00:56:52.5
MF: (murmurs in disagreement)
739
00:56:53.6
CB: Okay.  So most of your life was centered, what, around the school, around the church, around home?  Where would you say the center of your life was?
740
00:57:3.5
MC: Well, I think the church and home.
741
00:57:5.2
MF: It was.
742
00:57:7.5
CB: Is that pretty much stayed the same throughout the years?
743
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MC: Yup.
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00:57:13.0
CB: Okay, what other jobs have you had?
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00:57:16.4
MF: Well, I worked at, like I said, downtown when I was still in school, and then I worked in a doctors office and I worked in aI went to work for the school system in
746
00:57:34.6
JF: Florida (inaudible).
747
00:57:37.5
MF: Yeah.
748
00:57:38.0
JF: For thirty years, demonstrating all over the state.
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00:57:40.5
CB: Oh, wow, so youve done some travel.
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00:57:43.3
MC: We were both cafeteriaschool cafeteria managers.
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00:57:48.6
MF: Retired.
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00:57:49.8
CB: Really?
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00:57:50.4
MC: Yeah.
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00:57:51.4
MF: Both of us retired from the school system.
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00:57:53.7
CB: Okay.  Of all the jobs which ones do you think was the most satisfying to you, that you got up and looked forward to get to?
756
00:58:2.5
MC: I liked that one.
757
00:58:3.4
MF: I did too.  I loved the school.
758
00:58:6.3
MC: I looked forward to going, and I had such good health then.
759
00:58:10.5
MF: And I wouldnt have retired when I did at age sixty-five, but he insisted.
760
00:58:18.7
CB:  (laughs) You needed a playmate, right?
761
00:58:21.8
JF: Naw, she couldnt get no help up there and just working herself half to death, so I told her to get out of there.
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00:58:29.4
CB: Oh, my.  Oh, my.  All right, so anything else?
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00:58:33.7
MF: Like I said, the skating rink and the pool was our recreation
764
00:58:44.1
JF: And then the Roxie Theater, I used to meet you down
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00:58:46.3
MF: Oh, yeah, and the Roxie Theater.
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00:58:48.0
CB: So was the Roxie Theater was an indoor or outdoor theater?
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00:58:50.8
MF: Indoor.
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00:58:51.4
JF: Right across the street from the hotel there.
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00:58:52.7
CB: Oh, okay.
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00:58:53.5
MC: They tore it down now.
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00:58:55.1
MF: Oh, yeah.
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00:58:55.7
CB: Is that right?  What do you remember seeing at the theater?  What was it like to go to a movie?
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00:59:1.4
JF: Tom Mix and Gene Autry and
774
00:59:4.8
MF: It cost us a dime to get in and we could buy dime popcorn and a nickel cold drink.
775
00:59:12.6
JF: Wed get a quarter.
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00:59:13.5
MC: I think I was about twenty-six years old and they said, You going to have to start paying.
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00:59:20.5
CB: Oh!
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00:59:21.7
MC: I was still going in.
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00:59:24.9
CB: As a child for free?
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00:59:27.1
JF: Oh, yeah, you could get in free for ahow old do you have to be?
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00:59:30.9
MC: Not free, but a dime, so I was going to have to start paying.
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00:59:32.8
CB: Oh, no!
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00:59:34.4
MF: As an adult.
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00:59:37.4
CB: Oh, my goodness, how wonderful.  Okay, well, is there anything else that we justremembering that somebody might come along centuries along that are your long-lost relatives, anything you want to be sure thatthis is your chance to put it on tape so theyll know.
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00:59:56.1
MF: Nope.
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01:00:0.8
CB: No?
787
01:00:1.4
MF: That, like I said, time has changed so much you dont dress up to go to town, you dont dress up to go anywhere, and a lot of people dont even dress up to go to church.  They take no pride in themselves.
788
01:00:19.0
MC: Used to be we dressed up to go to church, that was one thing we dressed up
789
01:00:27.1
MF: In town, too, Mary; we dressed to go downtown on Saturday.  Man, that was an outing, to go to
790
01:00:34.1
CB: And what was dressing, was that a dress and gloves and a hat?
791
01:00:38.0
MC: For Sunday, yes.
792
01:00:40.2
CB: Here in Florida with all this humidity, that was devotion, ladies. (CB laughs)
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01:00:49.0
MC: But it wasnt that hot to
794
01:00:53.0
JF: We didnt think it got that hot back them.  Not like it does now.
795
01:00:56.0
MC: It didnt seem like it was as hot like it is now.
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01:00:58.1
MF: No.
797
01:00:58.7
CB: So it actually seems hotter now then it seemed back then.
798
01:01:2.1
MC: Yeah, right.
799
01:01:2.7
CB: And you slept out on the porch some nights?
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01:01:6.0
JF: Oh, all the time.
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01:01:7.4
MF: Oh, she had a screened in porch, had awnings that came up and down, and at night shed pull them up.  Well, it had two beds out there for the girls, which was Ann and Dorothy and myself, and thats where we slept.
802
01:01:24.6
CB: For goodness sakes.  So was your son born at home, too?
803
01:01:29.2
MC: No, he was born at Centro Espaol Hospital.
804
01:01:32.9
CB: But he was born in the house youve lived in.
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01:01:35.6
MC: Well, he wasI brought him home from the hospital.
806
01:01:39.5
CB: Yeah.
807
01:01:40.0
MF: Yeah.
808
01:01:40.7
MC: But I belong to the Centro Espaol and I went over on Bayshore, they had a hospital over there [Sanatorio del Centro Espaol].
809
01:01:50.4
CB: So tell me what the Centro Espaol is?
810
01:01:52.9
MC: Well, a lot of SpanishI knew this lady and she got me to join.  It was Spanish, most all of them.  They hadin Ybor City they had that other club, I cant think of it now.
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01:02:9.9
MF: Gonzalez.
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01:02:11.0
MC: Yeah, the Gonzalez Club.
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01:02:13.4
MF: Clinic.
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01:02:14.0
MC: And that was a hospital, like; it was a hospital.
815
01:02:19.3
CB: So you joined a club so that you had hospital facilities?
816
01:02:23.4
MC: Yeah.
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01:02:23.9
MF: She joined the Club because she paid a due, like insurance is now, and you could go to the hospital for a very small amount.
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01:02:34.4
CB: Wow!  Okay.
819
01:02:36.0
MC: And I think I had to pay thirty-five dollars extra to have my son there.
820
01:02:42.8
CB: Amazing!  Now, when you said you had your children at home, did you physically give birth at home or you
821
01:02:51.5
MF: No, no, brought it back to this
822
01:02:52.9
CB: Okay, okay.  Like I said its fascinating.  If theres anything else that you want to talk aboutyou have another Penny Saver here.  Something about the parks
823
01:03:5.7
MC: Oh, that was about the Tourist Club.
824
01:03:6.8
CB: The Tourist Club, okay.
825
01:03:7.8
MC: You know, all of the shuffleboard group, that was one.
826
01:03:10.5
CB: So do you see a lot of your old friends now, when they come back for the reunions?
827
01:03:15.3
MC: Yes, its a lot that goes through the reunion.
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01:03:18.7
CB: Is there anything that you would want to see happen at the reunion or in Sulphur Springs?  Something that youd like to see take place here or to come about?
829
01:03:31.2
MF: I dont think Sulphur Springs will ever be Sulphur Springs again.
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01:03:36.8
JF: No.
831
01:03:37.4
MC: Like it used to be.
832
01:03:38.2
CB: Is that right?
833
01:03:38.8
MC: Because the dog track is there and thats taken up so much of the land, and they tore the Arcade down and just put pavement, its alland the pool is nothing like it was years ago.
834
01:03:58.2
MF: Like it used to be.
835
01:03:59.2
CB: Is that right?  Have you been over to the gazebo or the tower?  Either one, Sulphur Springs tower or the gazebo?
836
01:04:6.0
MC: Nope.
837
01:04:6.7
MF: Not recently, no.
838
01:04:8.1
CB: Because theyre talking about possibly putting a museum over at the tower property.
839
01:04:13.4
JF: Yeah, theyve been talking about doing something with that for the last thirty years, and they havent done nothing yet.
840
01:04:19.8
CB: So youll believe it when you see it, right?
841
01:04:22.4
MF: Yeah, yeah.
842
01:04:23.0
JF: Theres been all kind of things going in there
843
01:04:26.5
CB: And it hasnt happened yet.
844
01:04:28.6
JF: Seen nothing yet.
845
01:04:29.1
CB: Okay.  So, all in all, Sulphur Springs has been good to you.  You liked living here?
846
01:04:34.2
MC: Yes, Ive gotten
847
01:04:35.3
MF: Yup.
848
01:04:36.0
MC: I just soon live in Sulphur Springs as I had in Hyde Park or something.
849
01:04:42.0
CB: Good, good.  Well, ladies and sir, you have been just delightful.  I greatly appreciate this.  If theres anything else that you want to add to it, if you want me to come back another time because suddenly all your memories come forward, let me know.  But I have really enjoyed it, and we appreciate you allowing us to put this on tape and keep it for future generations.


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