Paul Wilborn

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Paul Wilborn

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Paul Wilborn
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Tampa arts and culture oral history project
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Wilborn, Paul
Berkman, Suzette
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Paul Wilborn, former manager of creative industries for the City of Tampa, discusses the city's art program. He begins the interview talking about growing up in Temple Terrace, Florida. He also discusses his college experience at the University of South Florida (USF) in Tampa; working on USF's student newspaper, the Oracle, and the campus magazine, the Omnibus; and his years after college working at the Tampa Tribune (1978 to 1991). Also included in the interview is a discussion of Graphicstudio at the University of South Florida, Tampa. Additionally, he discusses his love of music and life with his wife, actress Eugenie Bondurant.
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Interview conducted on January 12, 2006.
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Mode of access: World Wide Web.
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interviewed by Suzette Berkman.

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segment idx 0time text length 537 SB: Family? PW: Some family, though, her, none of her sisters live there. Her mom and dad have both passed away. But they've kept the family house. Mom could come back tomorrow and would still be able to get dressed. You know, it's just those crazy southern girls, you know. And the joke that I share with my brother in law in LA is that, that when we're all dead and gone these three sisters are going to be living in that house, fighting over the silver. You know, and wandering around in some kind of weird Tennessee Williams sort of-
117 SB: Do you visit?
262 PW: Oh, we go all the time. We actually keep a car there. And-
320 SB: So you go often.
4260 PW: So we go every, about, sometimes about once a month. So it's fun. And we've had lots-because of the storm, they actually had a rental property that got flooded. So she's been having to go back a little more often because [of that]. But it's all worked out.
524 SB: Storm being Katrina?
6223 PW: But Katrina was a huge, a huge thing for, for us. And certainly for New Orleans. And for Eugenie. So we've been going a lot more even than we might, just to really show support, spend money, get the house fixed up, and-
777 SB: Is, is that how you got her to agree to not live in New Orleans? PW: She-
821 SB: Just by visiting?
9569 PW: Yeah, well I convinced her that, that Southwest basically paid you to fly from Tampa to New Orleans. It was very cheap, and very easy. And that she would be in kind of a, a town where they serve grits with breakfast. And, and so, and she-it's really worked out well for her. Because she's had great opportunity here. It's very easy to get there, you know, you can be there in an hour and a half. The flights are really cheap. And, and so we're back and forth a lot. And for her it's been kind of the best of both. So she's, you know, she still roots for the Saints-
1016 SB: Uh-oh, okay.
1173 PW: But, you know, but, she really loves Tampa. So she's been very happy.
1257 SB: How did you get back to Tampa? What brought you back?
13229 PW: We met, and because of her planning to move, we met, and three weeks later, she and her sister actually drove her car across country to leave it in New Orleans in anticipation of moving. So she was, it was not just idle talk.
14771 And, but she had, she had a house that was a beautiful old historic Spanish duplex. And downstairs, the woman had just moved away. And she had been the wife of Famous Amos, the cookie maker. And she was a little nutty. And she had finally moved to be with her family in another state. And she had been in that apartment since Eugenie bought it. So Eugenie had never really done any work. She went in there and it was just a horror show. It was one of those places that was, you know, a complete mess, and so she was-it took her three or four months to fix it up. And in that time, I asked her for three months for us to decide how we felt about each other. And at the end of, actually went on for about four because of the time but [by] the end of March, we were engaged.
1523 SB: That's pretty fast.
16PW: That's pretty fast.
179 SB: Yeah.
18181 PW: But you know, you know what you want. And it was, I kind of sensed it early on, but we gave ourselves several months, and she didn't even finish the place until then anyway, so-
19123 So we were engaged right around Easter time, late March, early April. And around that same time, was the election in Tampa.
2019 SB: Which election?
2125 PW: The mayoral election.
22SB: Okay.
23973 PW: In which Pam Iorio was elected mayor. And I had never worked in government in my life. I had always been on the outside looking in and never thought I would be on the inside looking out. And, but some folks in Tampa had been interested in trying to get me back. And I had had conversation with a friend who was a, also a journalist who had left Tampa, who told me Pam was running. I hadn't even heard about it. Because I wasn't keeping that close in touch. And, and at the end of our conversation, she said, "You know, Pam Iorio, that's somebody I could work for." And I said, "Oh, yeah, yeah." And I hung up the phone, and when I hung up the phone I thought, You know, that's somebody I could work for! I really, we had a great respect for each other. Her dad had been my college professor. I had met her as a young woman, doing some work for the democratic party. She had been doing that, she came in, and I was a reporter. We had met, I watched her get elected and-
24625 SB: Were you personal friends? No?PW: Only personal friends in the sense that we were on a first name basis, and I knew that she was married, and I knew she had kids. But I'd never been to her house. We didn't, you know, we were more professional friends I think in that sense. That you meet someone through politics or, as a journalist I would, would, she was a person I would write about. And especially when, in her next job as the Supervisor of Elections, we talked a lot because as reporters, you would go down there and find out who had, who was running, who had given money, there were lots of questions for, for her.
25211 So it was, it was more of a professional relationship. We really enjoyed each other's company. And I was close to her enough to say that, you know, "Please don't ever sing in public." Things like that, you know-
2612 SB: (laughs)
27119 PW: And, but, like I say, it was not like we were chums, or even you know, friends, social friends. So, but what I had-
28858 SB: What made you think you could work for her? PW: One I really thought that she would-and she certainly proved that to be true-that she would in every way, be, try to do the right thing, be professional, there would never be a hint of scandal. She would do great things by the city that you would be proud to say you were a part of her administration. And, and that's not a knock on anybody else in politics, but I didn't feel that way about a lot of folks. And it's not whether they would good, bad or different, I just felt like she was really would set a standard. That you'd be proud to say that you had worked for her. And I was interested in the arts. That had always been my sideline. I was not interested in being-I would not have come to be her press guy. And she was not interested in me as that anyway. She already had somebody in mind for that.
29645 But Linda Saul-Sena, who was a city councilperson, and Chairman at that point of city council, is a good friend of mine. And she had thought I would be a good fit for the administration. So she was sort of a go between. And mentioned it to the mayor who was intrigued by the idea. And Fran Daven who was her advisor in the transition and is still an advisor, who was also someone that I covered, and knew me professionally very much, liked the idea. And so we started a little conversation, and by, I guess May, she got elected at the end of March, took office first-early April, very early. And around May we put together a job description and-
30287 SB: So you called her? Or she called you?PW: I-Linda spoke to her, she responded to Linda, "Yes, I'm interested in hearing from him." So I wrote her a note sort of suggesting things that I was interested in. And she got back. We did some emails and some phone calls. And so, and at that-
3118 Pause in recording
32325 PW: And at that same time, I believe it was April. I wasn't here at the time, but it was April or early May. An author, and an economist named Richard Florida came to Tampa. He had written a book called, The Rise of the Creative Class. And he was a big hit here. He drew a full house to the Performing Arts Center, excuse me-
3322 SB: At Ferguson? Yeah.
34492 PW: And at Ferguson Hall, so you know, big crowd turns out. And his message is a lot of things, but basically it's sort of, creativity and economic development go together. And cities that really work on their creative side-arts, creative people, retaining talent, all that stuff-would be the cities that thrive in the future. Tampa was at a point where that really resonated with people. Because we felt, I think people felt like they hadn't quite done enough in that area. We could do more.
35413 So Richard Florida actually met with the mayor, and she was then talking to me and I was pitching sort of an arts thing. And so the two kind of came together, and she-it was really from her, came up with this idea of a Creative Industries position. That I'd be sort of a liaison to art and artists. But also with sort of an economic development job as well. And, and so we kind of, that was really exciting to me.
3664 SB: Who, who came up with the idea of "Tampa, City of the Arts?"
3737 PW: That happened before I got there.
38SB: Okay.
39782 PW: The, the mayor had been-there had been a session at, at Tampa Theatre where the mayoral candidates spoke. And it-the arts community sort of sponsored I think, The Business Committee for the Arts sponsored it. And Leonard Stone was one of the people in the audience, and he asked the mayor about the arts, and a number of other people were there. And, and the mayor really pledged to make Tampa, if she was elected, a "City of the Arts." And you know, it's kind of one of those titles that you kind of wish maybe you had said something other than, "City of the Arts," because it's almost like, "The City on the Hill" or something. But, but she really was committed to doing that, and so I think that's one reason I got hired. And they created a position that didn't exist before.
40435 So I guess around, sometime in May-and I don't really have the date in my mind clearly, but it was May of 2003, I agreed to take the job. I'm working at, still working at the Associated Press, as a state correspondent with California. And, and Eugenie and I talked, and she thinks this would be a good thing, and, and she likes the idea and it gets her a guaranteed back-to-the-south. She's at least getting much closer to New Orleans-
418 SB: Yes!
42101 PW: And if for some reason I turn out to be a big loser, she wouldn't have so far to go to get there.
43SB: (laughs)
44225 PW: But at this point, we're engaged, and so we agree to move to Tampa, plan a wedding, and [I] take this job. And we take [it] knowing it wasn't going to happen once I started. We took six weeks off. And went to Hawaii, and-
45113 SB: But you, you got married in Tampa?PW: We didn't get married, we didn't get married until almost a year later.
4613 SB: Oh, okay.
4735 PW: Just because of all the moving-
48SB: Okay.
4949 PW: And all that stuff. We had to plan a wedding.
50SB: But in Tampa.
5128 PW: We got married in Tampa.
52SB: Yeah.
53233 PW: In 2004, April of 2004. But the-we took a magnificent long trip, all through California and to Hawaii, and then we drove across country and took a really nice cross-country drive to New Orleans. Spent several days there and then-
54SB: Terrific.
5514 PW: Came here.
56SB: That's terrific.
57PW: And you know, it's been great. She's really loved it, and-
58SB: What does she do?
59259 PW: She-and I didn't know this about her because she wasn't doing it actively when I was there. When I was in LA, she was still working at being an actress. But she had, for many years, also been a teacher of acting. And had taught some semi-famous folks and-
60SB: Like who?
6178 PW: I want to say Jessica Alba, this famous, very famous-Alba's the last name-
62SB: Sure.
63268 PW: I may be wrong because I'm not so good on my current young stars. But this woman's like one of the hottest stars, had been a young student of hers. And several others. And she still points to people in movies and, Oh, that was my student, or that was my co-worker-
64SB: That's great.
65629 PW: So we arrived here at a great time because the Patel Conservatory was in the process of-I don't think it had come out of the ground yet, but it was really, had been, was set, and was in the process of being built, I guess. And they were starting [a] plan. What were they going to include there? And so she met Wendy Leigh, who's a friend of mine, and who was going to run the school. And in their conversation started talking about these classes that she did and they liked the idea so much that they really-she started teaching before the school was finished. They started, she was teaching in the lobby of the Jaeb Theater.
66SB: Oh my goodness.
6761 PW: And she was one of the first teachers they hired. So she-
6890 SB: She enjoys it? PW: She enjoys it. It's a part time position, which she likes. And she-
69270 SB: What, what classes does she teach? PW: They're called "on camera acting." And she teaches adults and younger kids. And it's how to audition for commercials, how to, how do you-she doesn't, she's not a stage actress. She's great on stage but that's not her specialty.
7031 SB: She's, she's been in films?
71221 PW: She's been in films, on TV, in commercials, she's done all of that stuff that involves a camera. That's her background, as a model and then she's been in movies. And she studied, and she's a great natural teacher, so-
7227 SB: She's striking looking.
73PW: Yeah. And she really-
74SB: She really is beautiful.
75263 PW: She has this focus when she does things, and as a teacher that's so great because the kids just feel like there's this connection because she really gets excited about it, so. She's a great teacher and a natural, and they love her. So that's what she's doing.
76SB: That's terrific.
77281 Well how do you like your job with the city? What, what have you experienced for instance with the Tampa Museum of Art? I think its common knowledge there have been issues with the mayor, with the city, with city council, with the public, with perhaps the Museum Board most of all.
7855 PW: Yeah, it's been a, you know, it's certainly been a-
79535 SB: Have you been involved?PW: I haven't been as directly involved as I thought I might be when I came here. And I was a little concerned about that at first because I was wondering why they were sort of keeping a little buffer between me and also our Public Art Director, Robin Nigh, and the Museum. But turns out, they're much smarter than we were in that the mayor didn't want us to be pulled into that. And as, as things unfolded, it worked out well in that we were, we were not sort of seen as one player on one side of the other.
80274 When I came to take the job, I was assuming that the Vinoly Project was coming out of the ground, at some point soon. And really did a lot of research on it, talking to Emily and doing it even from afar. Because I just assumed that would be the big thing that was happening.
81SB: Sure.
82217 PW: But you have to look at the history of Tampa somewhat. And it's a thing that can be debated a lot of ways. We've done some incredible things that, that didn't necessarily pay for themselves for a pretty long time.
8345 SB: Like what? PW: Like the Florida Aquarium.
84SB: Okay.
85381 PW: Which was a, seen as this economic development tool, "Everybody's doing an aquarium! So we progressive cities will do a big aquarium." Well, about time we got ours finished, the aquarium business kind of fell off a little bit, and the, the way the numbers were worked out were not suspicious, just didn't, didn't, the expectations didn't add up to the reality. And the city is-
8610 SB: Stuck.
87436 PW: On the hook for a lot of money, continues still even though the aquarium is doing much better. Same thing happened with Centro Ybor. Build this big project, the city underwrites it, and the bill comes due, and this mayor came in, and I'm not saying this is necessarily bad, because the Performing Arts Center was certainly one of those cases. In which, for, we still pay a pretty good bill to make that building, to have them there.
88107 And for five years or so, they really struggled. They were in the red in their operating in a big way, and-
89SB: The Perf-
90PW: Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center.
91SB: Right.
92322 PW: So, but we were proven smart to have done it. So this mayor comes into office, with a lot of bills coming due. For cultural and these types of facilities. And she's a very pragmatic woman who looks at the bottom line. And she does not want to be one who leaves a legacy to her successor of, "Hey you figure out how to-
93SB: Of debt.
94PW: Solve this problem."
95SB: Yeah.
96276 PW: And I think she was genuinely concerned when you look at, the city was committing this much to the museum, about a million bucks a year. Aside from what we were going to give them to build it and things like that. And the budget was going to triple, to upgrade the museum.
97SB: Yikes.
98678 PW: And when you really look at it in reality, will there be triple the amount of people paying to come? Will you have grown it that much? Maybe the first year, but after people have seen the building, will it fall back? And I think she was really concerned and started demanding some harder numbers. And really started holding some feet to the fire that had not been necessarily held there before Greco. Great guy, friend of mine, was a, he liked to see things happen in concrete. "Let's make it happen and then we'll figure it out, figure it out later." And you get a lot of things done that way. And he did a lot of good things. But he also had a lot of bills coming due. So-
99152 SB: Who, who was she demanding of? PW: Well I think the, the museum board and the museum director, and just sort of less, Is this going to work? Are we-
100SB: Sure.
101189 PW: "Can you really, can we really do this?" Because no matter what anyone says about guarantees or people signing will pledges or things. When all is said and done, the city's on the hook.
10215 SB: Absolutely.
103PW: And so, so-
104102 SB: Well just historically, it might be good to keep this in perspective. Where do we stand right now?
105PW: Well-
106SB: With the museum.
107PW: I think-
10834 SB: From the city's point of view.
1091183 PW: Ultimately I think it was not just the mayor's cautions, but the banks had a lot, had questions. And so ultimately, even though the city I think, the city, in terms of the community did respond in lots of great pledges. And a lot of money was pledged to this project. That the whole thing sort of fell down under the weight of it. And at the same time, building costs were skyrocketing. We were in the middle of this bubble of construction where everybody, every piece of drywall was worth triple what it should be. So, so ultimately the banks didn't guarantee the loan as, and the loan didn't happen. That project stopped. Everyone's looking around for a new place, the mayor suggested one, didn't like-people didn't like it. We tried another, that was timing was wrong and the money was wrong. And now it's ended up in what seems to be the board has approved, the city has approved, they're out searching for an architect in what will be a beautiful spot on, on the river in what's going to be a magnificent new "arts park" for lack of a better way to describe it. It will be the place where the orchestra plays its outdoor concerts, where we'll have festivals-
11011 SB: That's-
11138 PW: And the museum will front on that-
112SB: It's right against the Poe Garage.
113277 PW: Right against the Poe Garage, and next to the children's museum. So you'll have some, hopefully some synergy in that. And, and I don't see any obstacles ahead of us there then. The city money pledged, the museum board has said, "Yes." And they're going to build in a fence-
114SB: That's exciting.
115PW: And we've got enough money I think, to get it done.
116SB: That's exciting.
1177 PW: So-
118155 SB: Does the city have plans for activities or any you know, related functions to, to help the museum? How is the Riverwalk coming? And how does it relate?
119572 PW: Well, I think the placement is going to be incredible. Because as it is, where the museum sits today, which will be gone when this new, they become part of the park. It's been kind of on it's own. It's been sort of isolated there. So this new building will be part of your big events park that will be a magnificent Riverwalk that connects the entire downtown where people can jog and walk, and there will be public art along there. There will be, just across the expanse of the park will be a big open air restaurant with outdoor dining and riverfront dining, you'll-
120SB: It's exciting.
121180 PW: Be connected closer to the Performing Arts Center. We're creating sort of a cultural hub there. And I think it's probably the best solution that could be reached for everybody.
122139 SB: Do you, what is the public consensus? What, what [does] the mayor's office think about this latest decision?PW: Well I, it seems to be-
123SB: Positive?
124534 PW: It seems to be positive. And I think, I don't think you get in trouble as an elected official looking out for the public dollar. And I think in this case it comes-there are some, certainly some people on the board who are upset with how things came out. But, but at the bottom line you will end up with, I think a new museum and a great spot and the city won't be on the hook for quite as big a bill potentially. And I think-would [it] have been nice to have had a museum opening later this year? Yeah. That would have been great.
125SB: Sure.
126240 PW: And I'm sorry that, that you know, that we lost a director. We brought in a new one. It's been, it's not been an easy time. And as I say, I've been, now, in retrospect, grateful that that was not my charge. That my charge was elsewhere.
12732 SB: Sure. It's an exciting time.
128PW: Yeah.
129SB: It really is. And you're right in the middle of it.
130311 PW: It's been an exciting time. I think it's an exciting time in Florida. And I really think, coming from California, it showed me a lot. Florida is in a, I think, a big transition. And we're catching up in a lot of ways to other states and, and we're-have been become such a powerhouse of a state in many ways.
13172 SB: In terms of the arts? PW: I think finally in terms of the arts, yes.
132SB: Okay.
13336 PW: But it's, you know, it's been a-
134528 SB: How-I mean, I have to touch upon the Tampa-St. Petersburg perspective, connection. There's a lot said about how far ahead St. Petersburg is in terms of developing the arts. Years ago, who would have thought Tampa was perceived as being that much further? How, how do you think people are perceiving this? PW: Well, I think, I always look at these things as evolutionary in a way and that things happen in different times, in different places. I mean, Tampa had a period where, clearly, it was sort of the center of the arts.
135394 And if you really look at it objectively, there's still so much more that happens here. What makes St. Petersburg so wonderful-and I'm a huge fan and [am] there a lot-is that what they have is in sort of a compact area. And so within a few miles in any direction, you can hit all of their arts resources. And there's a center there. And it was a resort town, and it's on the water. It's pretty.
136373 And one of our issues in Tampa's always been, we're almost a little, we're not so big, but we're too big. And so things are kind of spread out. And building a critical mass in Tampa has been more difficult. And the downtown has been slow to develop residential. And St. Petersburg always had residential in their downtown. Especially around the periphery of their downtown.
13759 SB: Is that one of the things Richard Florida talked about?
138PW: (Nods "Yes").
139234 SB: The residential aspect?PW: Yeah. And I think, you know, I think we, we went, we're in a transition from, for the first time, the statistics are showing that a majority of people prefer an urban residence over the suburb residence.
140140 SB: For the first time? PW: For the first time. And that's looking at the big picture. It's like baby boomers retiring, young professionals-
141SB: This is based on studies?PW: Based on studies from the homebuilders and those folks who are in that business.
142SB: Interesting.
143165 PW: That's-you're not seeing these things pop up because they think it's a good idea. They're seeing it pop up because that's what the market is looking for. And so-
144273 SB: How do studies reflect on the arts? Are people asking that the arts be part of this downtown scene? What comes first? PW: I think the centers of cities have always been where the arts need to be to blossom. And that's sort of where people need to go. I mean that's why-
145SB: Congregate-
14656 PW: Cities need-look at New York City, I mean, you know-
147SB: Absolutely.
148363 PW: So much that happens there could happen elsewhere, but the arts are real focused. In so many cities, that's where you put your arts and your entertainment stuff. So, is it, what's the chicken or the egg? I mean, we've got the arts in downtown. It's, now we, but we've needed the residential to actually have the foot traffic to make it feel like a place. And-
149147 SB: Would you say there's a comprehensive plan in place with this development? Or is one thing developing over the other and the other (inaudible).
150400 PW: Well you know, we're in a free market economy so it's very hard to put a giant plan in place because the developers are going to do what the market tells them. The city has some influence there, but not a lot. I mean, you know, we can talk about zoning and things like that, but downtown is developing because the market is demanding residential. And hopefully we continue to do that for a while.
15175 SB: Do you, how do you interact with business? What is your official title?
152318 PW: My title is "Creative Industries Manager." And I really see my role as interacting a lot with business and being the guy who represents the arts and creative community but is able to go to the same meeting with the guys in suits and be the suit that represents all these folks who aren't wearing suits necessarily.
153SB: Okay.
154PW: And, and we've done a lot of work with the Chamber of Commerce. They've become big partners in things that we do and we're sending now our arts people on their trade missions. We sent four of them to Mexico-
155SB: Terrific.
15641 PW: As part of a trade mission, and they-
157SB: That's great.
158PW: Made arts contacts. We're sending two to Brazil, maybe more-
159SB: Exciting.
160334 PW: And so they're seeing us now as how that helps them. And especially with Latin American trade, the arts and culture are a big part of getting to know each other. Americans want to go down and say, Let's do business. Well, they want you to respect their culture and understand and celebrate it. And so we're helping them with that.
16181 SB: What type of economic impact would you say the arts are making on that basis?
162593 PW: Well, that's one of the messages that we're trying to get out because we've had a reputation, quite justifiably, of being sort of a sports place. And Florida-people come to Florida because they want outdoor activities. They come for this beautiful waterfront. And we've developed professional sports teams, and they've really put us on the map. But what people don't also-the drum we try to beat is to say, Look at the real numbers. There are more people [that] paid money to sit down at The Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center last year, than paid money to sit down in Raymond James Stadium.
163SB: Wow.
164PW: And Raymond James is a big place!
165SB: Sure is.
166251 PW: And we sort of hang our hat on that. Well, people pay big money to go to the Performing Arts Center as well. And that doesn't count the people who went to Ruth Eckerd and who went to the Mahaffey, and the people who went to concerts and shows and-
167SB: All the other events.
168PW: Theatre. And other places. The business community for the arts, every five years does a survey, and, and it's a huge, you know, I think the number is in you know, the 500 million dollars impact every year of the arts-
169SB: Incredible.
170PW: And jobs. So-
171Tape 3, side 1 ends; side 2 begins.
172PW: Because that's-
173SB: This is your expertise.
174558 PW: This is what we've really been working on, and it's, it's kind of been quiet, behind the scenes work to really win people over. To know-I mean, if you looked at a place, what Chicago has done, and what New York has done in terms of, why do people go to visit there? They go there for arts and culture. They go there for, to see this interesting place, because they know they can. There will be music in the park. There will be this great, you know, thing that Chicago built Millennium Park, and it's programmed every night of the summer. It's incredible.
175SB: Oh my.
176948 PW: And they have turned cultural tourism into this huge economic engine. And we spent all sorts of effort to get a Super Bowl. [A] great thing! I'm for it! We spent all this effort to get like a big sports game down here. Big sports game, folks come in, they see the game, they spend some money, off they go. But if you're in Chicago or in New York or in Austin, Texas, or some place that's known for culture, people come every day, all year long. They stay. They spend money. It's a little quieter because you don't see them coming in for the big game and the colors. But we are really working hard to establish Tampa as a cultural tourism destination. We've got water; we've got sports; and we've got arts. And we've actually convinced the tourist development folks to give us 50,000 dollars this year. And last year, we raised about another 50,000. And we've worked, launched a campaign to get people to come here for the culture, not just for-
177SB: That's good.
178PW: A sports game.
179SB: A lot of people don't know-
180PW: Yeah. Well I mean we're offering weather and culture-
181SB: What's here.
18246 PW: So we've got [an] even better combination.
183SB: We've got it all.
184220 PW: So, so we've become partners with the tourism side, we've become partners with the economic development side. All of our initiatives, we're doing a big Latin American Arts Festival every two years, and it's becoming-
185SB: It's exciting.
186184 PW: Huge. And, but we're having it around a Latin American Trade Convention that's here. We're going to be bringing in Latin American dignitaries and presidents and trading people, so-
187SB: When is this?
18829 PW: This is November of 2007.
189SB: Okay.
190196 PW: And so you're, you take what would have been an interesting arts event, but you make it a nexus for trade, a nexus for business, a back drop in which people can go, My gosh, look at this city-
191SB: That's exciting.
192202 PW: You know, and people in South America and Latin America can look and say, Well Tampa, they've got this thing going on and we're trading with them. We're using their port. We're going back and forth-
193SB: That's very exciting.
194PW: So that's the type. When I-a lot of stuff we do, we try to have those economic development elements in those.
195765 SB: Tell us about some of the arts activities you care about. You care about and, excuse me, some you've been responsible for over the years that are still around. Some aren't. What, what's happening arts wise?PW: Gosh that's a big one. When I got involved in the eighties, because I was always a musician; and there was a, a small but sort of vital interesting arts community between USF and sort of, Ybor City. A lot of artists had discovered and moved to Ybor City. And so between the great professors at USF and graphic studio and, this, this sort of, some, a lot of them graduates from USF who ended up in cheap studio space in the old historic district. There was a real moment in time where there was sort of a birth of an arts community that hadn't existed.
19626 SB: This was the eighties?
197PW: This would be like '79-'80, and in through the 1980s. And the ground zero was mostly Ybor City. Which was, at that point, empty. I mean, empty. People look back and it hasn't been that long. But you know, I was, we were down there. And you could, you know, look down the street on a Saturday night and not see anybody.
198SB: What's there now?
199108 PW: Now it's a big entertainment and restaurant district. And it's you know, 25 or 30,000 people down there.
200SB: Incredible.
201299 PW: We're-this weekend, this is in October of 2006, we're reviving for one night only this Artists and Writers Ball that we've created in Ybor City in 1979, that became a phenomenon and lasted 13 years and really showcased the historic district for the first time as an arts and entertainment place.
202183 SB: You've mentioned that before, and you gave a number. What you anticipate drawing this year?PW: Well this year actually we're pulling, we're actually trying not to draw the number.
203SB: Oh, Okay.
204PW: It's going to be 400 tickets only. SB: Oh?
205146 PW: And in past years it was this giant monstrosity. Two and three thousand people in every corner, and you know, it just became this giant thing.
206SB: Real big.
207361 PW: This one is, we're trying to sort of recreate the feeling of it, but not, not have to do, make it quite the mountain. And I don't even-it's more of an acknowledgement of what a great thing it was, rather than trying to start it all over again. It's one of those things [that] when we finished it after twelve years, I never wanted to do it again in my life!
208SB: (laughs)
209547 PW: But it was an incredible arts experience. Artists created environments in these old clubs in Ybor City. I booked all the best, interesting music from big band to punk to-you know, whoever was the most interesting folks. And so it was an experience that you came into. And each one was a different theme and, it was based on sort of the old Venetian Balls and-it was a little bit of a satire on Gasparilla, which you know, we had a coronation, and a king and queen, and they were always artists, and it was very campy and fun. But it was a way-
210464 In Florida, I think, and is one of the things is, we don't have an arts culture, a history of an arts culture. You draw people to the arts through events more than through, Oh, I have to go to this gallery and see this new show. It doesn't happen quite so much like that here. You bring people to the arts through events and through parties and things, and you give them the arts, and they get it and they go, Wow, this is so cool. But that's how you get them out.
21160 SB: It's happened at an event. But we do have art galleries.
212PW: Oh, absolutely we do.
21382 SB: Now we-well, what are some of the galleries that have been around for a while?
214267 PW: Well we've got a number of, you know, galleries come and go, and we've had you know, every time you talk into, into the arts community there are people who will moan and, Oh, this is the lowest time it's ever been, and how, no one's supporting the galleries. And-
215SB: But for one that goes out, one comes in, kind of thing.
216PW: I-Michael Murphy at M Gallery in South Tampa just opened. He's now got 10,000 square feet of art gallery space that's very well done. You know, very high end. And I would maintain that in 1980 there was not 10,000 square feet of art gallery space in the entire city.
217SB: So, it is improving.
218PW: Yeah.
219SB: And Graphic Studio still exists.
22043 PW: Graphic Studio. You've, the university-
221SB: That's a secret-
222PW: That's an international-
223116 SB: It's well known internationally, but people who live in Tampa don't really know. Could you explain a little bit?
224355 PW: Well yeah, Graphic Studio is a-to say it's a printmaking house is not to do it justice. But it's, it's a research arm of USF and the arts. And it focuses around printmaking and special projects like that, and they have brought in every big name and a lot of names that you should know, but maybe you don't know in the arts for projects for, for years-
225SB: Like Rauschenberg?
226231 PW: Yeah. Oh, I interviewed a lot of them when they came to town as a journalist. Because nobody else knew who they were, so I would go out even though I wasn't an arts writer and sit with Phillip Pearlstein while he was, you know-
227SB: Oh my gosh.
22840 PW: Doing a nude and just amazing stuff.
229SB: Very well known artist.
230PW: And it's really in a great-
231SB: In the art world.
232PW: It's positioned itself really well; they've done wonderful stuff. They're a big partner in the Latin American festival.
233279 But, so the gallery business will always be a struggle. And I think we probably do need to-hopefully as the economy continues to grow and more people come, you build a bigger collective base. A lot of our collectors will go to New York and Miami to buy. So we're still trying to-
2341396 SB: What is your goal? I mean what, what do you want to accomplish Paul, in the near future? PW: What I want to do-because this, a city official and in a city can't convince people to go buy art. They can't convince people that this art is better than something you go, a poster you go buy. It's not. I can't necessarily do that. But what we can do is hopefully change the public debate and say, You know, the arts are important. And unless, whenever we do something, show you what good art is. I mean, our "Lights on Tampa" project that our public art folks did. They commissioned incredible artists from here and from around the world, and people got really excited about it. And that's a project that's unique around the country. People are emulating it now. So what we try to do is just set really good examples, create things that are exciting and that set the bar higher. I mean my being a guy who grew up in Florida, Florida has for years sold itself to the lowest bidder. And we've, you know, exploited the beauty and we've done all those things that we shouldn't do. And I think we're at a point where we need to say, Enough with that! And we have in many places. I mean look at the Performing Arts Center, look at the Airport we built here. When you do things first class, they are successful. And so my thing is: let's try to do as much in the arts first class as we can and see where-
235515 SB: And you think this will draw people from all over? PW: I think so. And I think it will, it will-Florida is, it's a state of immigrants. We're all essentially immigrants at one point or another in this state. And we want to, we want to attract bright, talented immigrants-folks to live here! From all around the country and around the world, who come for the weather, who come for the opportunities to work and who come because there's a great cultural backdrop. And I think we're heading there. I mean I may be-
236SB: That's nice.
23799 PW: In a wheelchair when we get it really done, but you know, we've got a lot of them already here.
23850 SB: I think that's great to hear. That's exciting.
239PW: Well, that's-
24069 SB: You make it, you make it sound like this is a good place to live.
241174 PW: I, you know, to me, and I-it's interesting, I was talking to a young artist the other day who said a lot of his buddies who moved to other cites are coming back. Because-
24230 SB: Well, that's nice to hear.
243345 PW: You go to a city like LA where I lived, and you go to New York, and you go to some of these cities-there are things happening, but they're kind of done. You know, you, you can find a little niche where you go into, but what I love about Tampa, what I've always been able to do is, you can get right to the front of the line and do something!
244SB: You can make a difference.
245PW: You can make a huge difference. And I've enjoyed that more than being somewhere like LA, which I enjoyed. But when I was there, I felt like I was enjoying the difference that somebody made fifty years ago or twenty-five years ago. And here you can be part of the, part of it.
24658 SB: You feel kind of like a bigger fish in a smaller pond.
247153 PW: Well, and you're kind of a, you're pioneering, and you're able to-people are welcoming. Oh, you want to do something? Yeah, come on in! Let's, let's-
248SB: Isn't that great.
249PW: And so-
250SB: That's nice to hear.
251PW: That's been fun. And I think, now the world is so wired you can be in a place like Tampa and be connected to the larger world too. With the Web and the Internet, it's a different world.
252SB: Absolutely.
253PW: I think than it was before.
254SB: Totally. That's exciting.
255PW: You're not so isolated in once place.
256SB: Well, I kind of want to get back to the personal side. Part of these interviews is to get to know you personally, Paul. And but whoever is listening to this tape, I'd like them to know you! You're a very colorful guy-
257PW: I'm afraid so.
258927 SB: And one of your, kind of interests is performing. Would you tell us a little bit about what you're doing? PW: Yeah I think, my parents haven't quite figured out where the gene came from, but somehow my brother and I both got the bug and somehow got some talent. I think he got even a little more than me. My brother studied music and went on to a career in New York as a Broadway singer and sang in Broadway road shows, and now he's a professional church singer who travels around the country. And has made some wonderful CDs and has a voice that will just send chills. And, and I've always loved performing. So even though I never wanted to do it for a living, the journalism always treated me better, and I didn't want to have to live off my music. But it's been a great side line for me. So I've always had, either done musical theater, done bands, I've done, you know, rock bands, dance bands, folk bands from you know-
259SB: When you say you've done them you participated or you had groups?
260PW: I usually led them. Because I never considered myself a good enough musician to like follow some other guy. If I was leading them I could tell people what we were going to do, and we could do something I knew how to do. And I think I always had the personality to be that.
261344 SB: Your old group was named? PW: Paul Wilborn and the Pop-Tarts. And we had girl singers who were called Strawberry and Cherry, and we were-I wrote funny songs and we eventually became sort of a fun, just a wild dance band that people would come and have so much fun because we were having a lot of fun. And we did that for about twelve years.
262SB: Wow.
263PW: Starting early eighties sometime. And, and then I had a group that sort of morphed from that. There was better players even, and it became, was called the Big Bar Bills. And that was you know, a little more-
264SB: And how long did you-?
265773 PW: Few years, few years. But at that time I was actually sort of gotten excited-this was you know, mid-nineties maybe early nineties-I got excited about, I discovered, actually, early on, I discovered the thirties and the twenties. Which I consider the height of American music. I'm not even a big fan of the forties. I'm a much bigger fan of the twenties and the thirties. Things got a little schmaltzy by the forties for me. Great hot jazz music, great song writing, great-it was just words and music came together. It was one of those places where, where I think we already are looking back-but you look back and go, That was, for American music, a watershed. You know, a couple of decades between the two World Wars. And so I really have focused hard on those decades.
266397 SB: This is now current, your interest? PW: Well, also for the last-probably for the last ten years. But currently, I'm really at it a lot more than ever because I'm actually doing big shows. We did a show. We're doing a series called the "American Song Books Series" at the Palladium. We did one September 29-it was all Cole Porter. We had over 300 people pay big money to hear Cole Porter songs.
267SB: Great.
268157 PW: And we do it like a kind of variety show. And I tell stories about, that put the songs in context. And it's going over really well. So that's my passion.
269111 SB: And what's the name of your new group? PW: The group is called Blue Roses. Paul Wilborn and the Blue Roses.
270246 SB: Now does the group perform or is it just you performing at the Palladium?PW: It's a trio. Plus, I always have invited guests. I always felt like you got to have some girl singers. Got to have beautiful girls on stage, it's an important thing.
271SB: Okay.
272448 PW: So we, we invite Eugenie. Usually, she actually does some performing. Because she's a real-she just knocks people out when she gets on stage. So, so it's been, it's kind of a little variety show that focuses on one theme or one composer. And I've done, as a journalist I just use my old journalism things and did tons of research into the songs and the songwriters. And so I tell stories. And a lot of people know the song, but they don't know-
273SB: That's exciting.
274PW: Anything about it.
275SB: The stories.
276262 PW: They don't know the context, or they don't know-and I tell-trying to make it very contemporary, because all of these people were, you know, going out there or having a great time. They were living their lives. They were, you know, making love and doing life-
277SB: Sure.
27894 PW: And it's not that much different than now. It just had a better soundtrack than we do now.
279SB: (laughs)
280PW: So- (laughs)
281SB: Where do you find the time, Paul? PW: I steal it. And after-
28298 SB: So, is all your time taken for that? PW: Well the city is, the city is a pretty demanding job.
283SB: But I meant in terms of a hobby.
284PW: Oh yeah, I mean it's-
285SB: That's, that's your main focus.
286PW: Yeah.
287SB: As a hobby.
288PW: Yeah. I don't play golf. I don't, you know, I garden. I like working in the yard as sort of a therapy. But I don't have a lot of "boy" hobbies.
289SB: And there are no children.
29097 PW: I have never had children. And so yeah, it gives you a little more free time and flexibility.
291SB: Sure.
292323 PW: To do things. And so essentially you just sort of give up your nights occasionally. And a lot of my nights are spoken for as well with my job. But we manage to find the time. I'm only doing, you know, three shows per year, the big theatre shows. So it's not like you're out every weekend performing. I couldn't do that.
293SB: You're on a lot of boards.
294PW: I sit on a lot of boards.
295SB: And that's mainly during the day?
296PW: Yeah, but, you know, when you sit on-
297SB: Which boards?
298PW: Like the Florida Orchestra, you need to go see the shows!
299SB: Yeah, Okay.
300343 PW: And I love the orchestra. And I sit on the board for the Performing Arts Center so I'm there a lot for things. I used to work with, sort of Gasparilla Art Festival. The, I just went off the Plant Museum board. Tampa Bay Business Committee for the Arts, it's like part of a chain. You know, there's too many meetings. Way too many meetings.
301331 SB: Are those the main boards that you're on? PW: I think I may be leaving some out, but right now those are the main boards. I've sat on others. I essentially represent any-we have to, whenever the city gives money, we give a lot of money to different arts groups. We have a representative sitting there to sort of make sure that-
302SB: Sure.
30365 PW: You know, what's going on. And the board is a way to do that.
304SB: Sure.
305PW: I also sit on the Arts Council. And probably a couple other things that I-
306167 SB: Do you get involved in charity work at all? PW: I do, and I donate my musical time for that but I, I really have kind of limited my charity work to arts charities.
307120 SB: Do you have favorite charities? PW: I kind of look to see who, who might be-who needs the help at this time. I mean-
308SB: Okay.
309703 PW: What sort of got me going was, was a friend of mine, Guy King, who was on the board of the Performing Arts Center. Great guy. And he, around the time before they found Judi Lisi and when the center was kind of floundering, he said, "Listen, we need to get some people involved in this thing." And he got me involved, and I started donating a lot of time and would donate musical services. And I went on as President of the Producers board for them. And so my interest was, this is something that's a good thing that needs some help right now. And you know, I've had friends who have done that with the orchestra, and I've had friends who have done it with other things. And so I kind of look to see-
310SB: Where the need [is].
311PW: Who I can make difference with.
312And one of the things we're-my interest now is in some of the smaller arts organizations that-
313838 SB: Like? PW: Like our theatre companies. Stageworks, Jobsite. There's two or three of them. What we've done-and this is-we're doing a community cultural plan. You ask about a plan, we're actually are finishing up one right now. And one of the things we've discovered-it's what we already knew, but the-having an outside consultant tell you, it's, it helps focus you. Is that if you really look at our arts as an ecosystem, we've got the big predators. And they're doing pretty well even though, you know, it's sometimes a struggle. You've got the Florida Orchestra. You've got the Performing Arts Center. You've got Lowry Park Zoo. You've got MOSI. You've got some you know, very big players. Tampa Museum even with its issues is still a very big player that's not in any jeopardy. You drop down below that level and we've got a big gap.
314637 St. Petersburg, one thing I think people are pleased about is that there is something-they have some folks in that level. Florida Crafts and the Arts Center, some things like that that are-not as many employees as a big. So, I think where we're looking to go strategically in the next few years-and this is between myself, the Arts Council-you know we're trying to really put a focus on this, is, How do we help grow our small and mid-level arts organizations to where they can have, an employee? Or five employees? How do they sustain that? Because until you do that, those things come and go and there's, every year is a struggle, and-
31595 SB: How important are they to the growth of the arts? PW: I think they're incredibly important.
316577 SB: Why?PW: Because, because the, you look at your big institutions. And how many folks are going to, got to be pretty specialized talent to be at The Florida Orchestra. The Performing Arts Center has a niche, but is localized. You know, it's, there's a very, you know, it's road shows or professional entertainers. You need to have a level where people are able to break in, and these things that, that are, how do you describe it? They're sort of, you know, it's like an eco-I think of it as an ecosystem. You need to have the big, the middle, the small, and it's in balance.
317SB: And there are varying ticket prices, I would think.
318864 PW: Varying ticket prices, there are things, a young theatre company may be doing things, like Jobsite where it is doing things that developed this really cool young audience. That they kind of feel like they're going to Saturday Night Live or something, but it's, it's theatre! And they're really ambitious, and they're, and they're doing some great stuff. Well that's a niche that we need to fill! And you know, everybody at that theatre company has to have a day job right now. Which is, you know, so maybe if two of them didn't' have to have a day job? If their day job was that theatre? How much more could they accomplish? So that's an area where I think we need to grow. And I'm real interested in that. More interested frankly than I am right now in some of the bigger dogs. Who are great and I'm, you know, love them. But I think they're going to be okay.
319SB: What, Paul, would you consider your greatest achievement thus far? Putting you on the spot.
320550 PW: Well, I think, for me, if I really look-I was a very good reporter. And I won a lot of important awards, and was named Florida Journalist of the Year in 1996. And I remember when I got that award. I'd gotten some other national things- but this was like this thing where they judged you on ten of your works. And you know, the editors of the papers around the state picked. And you were up against the top journalist. And I remember going up to my room and kind of like, cried after I got this thing! Because it was like, Okay, I've reached this-
321SB: This level.
322PW: There was like 20 years of work-
323SB: Wow.
324485 PW: That got acknowledged there. And, and I really took it seriously and worked really hard at it and tried to be the best every day that I could be at that job. And, and so, I'm kind of happy now that I'm not in it anymore because I had a wonderful career. I had a fellowship to the University of Michigan. I've worked all over, you know, have covered things around the world. And did a lot of big stories around the country. And so I feel like I'm at a new phase and a new challenge.
32585 But I look at that as like my professional, highest and best professional stuff. And-
32676 SB: Would you, I mean, do you like writing better? PW: Well, I love writing.
327254 SB: Better than performing? PW: Well, now I'm kind of in a phase where performing is fun, but what I'm doing is writing these shows. So they're performance, but they're all my-I write a whole show that goes along with it. Everything I say in the show is-
328SB: So you're writing.
329PW: So I'm writing.
330SB: Yeah.
331PW: And so it sort of brings together those two things.
332SB: That's great.
33389 PW: And it's fun and it's, you know, it's potentially something I can do for a long time.
334SB: Well, Paul, I mean, you're an amazing person! You really are!
335PW: (laughs)
336SB: I've known you for a long time, and it is a joy to know you.
337PW: Oh, thank you.
338182 SB: And we are so blessed to have you in this area. We really are. People who brought you back knew what they were doing. Because you have, you have contributed so much to this area.
339PW: Well, its fun to be back. And you know, I think as we talked about early on-you know, my family has been here for a long time. You get this-things that drive you crazy about the city are also things that endear it to you.
340SB: Sure.
341301 PW: And you can point and go, Well why is this and why is that? But, but I think there is this powerful thing of, you know roots and connection and we can have a family reunion, and turn out ninety Italians. And there's something in my DNA that says, Oh, you're supposed to be there! I don't know, so-
342SB: That's great. Well, just please stay. And I, again, I can't thank you enough for this time. It's just been a-
343PW: Such a pleasure.
344SB: A real pleasure.
345PW: I'm glad someone cares!
346SB: People enjoy getting to know you. I absolutely have.
347143 PW: Well, thanks so much. This has been so much fun, and it's been great sitting here at this beautiful home! I'm looking out at the Tampa Bay!
348SB: Oh this is my office! PW: It's great! SB: Take care and thank you, Paul.
349PW: Thank you.
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5 S B : A bs ol ut e l y. P W : Y ou kne w t he p r e s i de nt of t he s c hool you kn e w t he bi g r a di c a l s you kne w t hi s you kne w t ha t Y ou j us t s o S B : D i d you s t a r t you r m us i c c a r e e r a t t ha t poi nt ? O r da bbl e i n i t ? P W : I w a s da bbl i ng, I pl a ye d I ha d t a ke n l e s s ons i n pi a no a s a ki d p l a ye d a l i t t l e bi t pl a ye d a l i t t l e b i t i n c ol l e ge but r e a l l y, a h, not hi ng s e r i ous but I w a s a l w a ys a l w a ys pl a ye d, i f t ha t m a ke s s e ns e I a l w a ys pl a ye d. I f t ha t m a ke s s e ns e S B : S o you ha d l e s s ons w he n you w e r e young? P W : I ha d l e s s ons f or s i x o r s e ve n ye a r s w he n I w a s a ki d T he c hur c h or ga ni s t w ho l i ve d i n T e m pl e T e r r a c e a l s o t a ught m y b r ot he r a nd m ys e l f a nd, a h, bu t but a f t e r t ha t I j us t pl a ye d on m y ow n a nd w oul d pr a c t i c e i n t he m us i c r oom s a t U S F A nd go f i nd t hos e pr a c t i c e pi a nos a nd pl a y. S o i t w a s a l w a ys s om e t hi ng t ha t I w a s i nt e r e s t e d i n bu t w a s n t doi ng i t a nyw a y p r of e s s i ona l l y or a nyt h i ng. S B : S o t he n you gr a dua t e d w ha t di d you do? P W : A h gr a dua t e d a nd i t w a s t ow a r d t he e nd of t he s e ve nt i e s 76 or 77 a nd t he U S e c onom y w a s i n t he dum ps t e r r i b l e t i m e [ t o gr a du a t e ] f r om c ol l e ge t he y a l l s a y. I e xpe c t e d t o ha ve a l l of t he s e j ob o f f e r s be c a us e I h a d gr e a t e xpe r i e nc e A nd a h t he one j ob t ha t w a s a c t ua l l y out t he r e w a s w or ki ng f o r a n a f t e r noon pa pe r i n W e s t P a l m B e a c h, w hi c h w a s not w ha t I e xpe c t e d but he y, i t w a s a j o b a nd I ne e de d a j ob a nd i t w a s a n i nt e r e s t i ng pl a c e t o go c he c k out S o I w o r ke d t he r e f or a ye a r a nd a ha l f a nd t he n t he e c onom y pr e t t y m uc h w a s ge t t i ng be t t e r a nd, a h, I got a f ul l t i m e r e por t i ng j ob a t t he T am pa T r i bune S B : T ha t s t e r r i f i c P W : I ha d be e n a n i nt e r n a t t he T r i bune onc e be f o r e S B : T ha t s g r e a t W ha t e xa c t l y di d you do a t t he T r i bune ? P W : I d i d a nu m be r o f t hi ngs a nd I s t a ye d w i t h t he m f or a w hi l e a nd, a nd t he r e a s on I t hi nk I di d w a s e ve r y c oupl e of ye a r s t he y l e t m e d o s om e t hi ng c om pl e t e l y di f f e r e nt B ut I w a s a ha r d ne w s r e por t e r f e a t u r e w r i t e r ; I c ove r e d t he N e w Y or k f a s hi on c ol l e c t i ons f o r a ye a r a nd a ha l f t w o ye a r s be l i e ve i t or no t T ha t w a s a f a s c i na t i ng e xpe r i e nc e a nd t ha t t ook m e t o N e w Y or k a l ot a nd out t o L A t o c ove r f a s hi on out t he r e A nd, a h, i t w a s t ot a l l y out o f c ha r a c t e r a nd i t j us t w a s gr e a t f un. I l ove d t he t hi ng a bout j our na l i s m i s you c a n be a h f or a l i t t l e w hi l e you c a n be a l m os t be t he s e t hi ngs Y ou r e de e p i nt o t he f a s hi on i ndus t r y; you r e de e p i nt o t he f i l m i ndu s t r y; you r e de e p i nt o t he m i nd of a c r i m i na l ; you r e de e p i nt o t he m i nd of a c op; you r e f l yi ng on a j e t a t M a c D i l l Y ou know t he r e s

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6 S B : A va r i e t y P W : A va r i e t y of t hos e t hi ngs a nd, a h, a nd [ pa us e s ] you know I us e d t o t hi nk i t s a c ha r a c t e r f l a w t ha t you l i ke t o j us t e xpe r i e nc e t he m but not be t he m but I m f i ndi ng i t w a s a n a s s e t t o m y c a r e e r S B : A nd you w e r e a c ol um ni s t ? P W : I w r ot e a c ol um n U l t i m a t e l y a bout m y l a s t t hi ng f or t he T r i bune I w r ot e a l ot of l i t t l e S unda y p i e c e s f or t he m but I w r ot e a t hr e e t i m e s a w e e k c ol um n S B : T ha t s gr e a t P W : T ha t w a s j us t unde r m y na m e a nd you c oul d w r i t e a bout a nyt hi ng you w a nt e d t o w r i t e a bout S B : A nd how l ong, t ot a l a t t he T r i bune ? P W : I w a s t he r e i n 78 a nd l e f t i n t he ve r y be gi nni ng of 91, I t hi nk. S B : T ha t s a l ong t i m e P W : Y e s i t w a s a l ong t i m e a l i t t l e t oo l ong, I t hi nk. T a m pa w a s s o i nt e r e s t i ng, T a m pa a h, a l ot of s t uf f ha ppe ni ng out s i de of t he pa pe r i n T a m pa ke pt m e i nt e r e s t e d, a l ot o f gr ow t h. W e w e r e l a yi ng t he gr oundw or k f o r l ot s o f s t uf f A nd i t w a s ve r y e xc i t i ng t i m e t o be i n T a m pa a nd you c oul d do a l o t of s t uf f a nd w e di d i t S B : Y e s you di d uh oh, w ha t di d you do ( l a ughs ) ? N o oka y. P W : W e l l w e a h, f i r s t p l a c e I w e nt i n T a m pa w he n I r e t ur ne d i n 78 w a s t o Y bor C i t y a nd t he r e w a s a c a dr e o f a r t i s t s l i v i ng a nd w o r ki ng dow n t he r e a nd t he y ha d t a ke n ove r t he s e ol d, be a ut i f ul ol d bui l di ngs t ha t w e r e ki nd o f s e e dy; t he y ha d a pa r t m e nt s a nd s t udi os a nd t he r e w a s a r e a l s c e ne a nd I r e a l l y f e l l i nt o i t a nd f e l l i n l ove w i t h i t A nd s t a r t e d da t i ng a gi r l t ha t l i ve d dow n t he r e a nd m e t a l l of t he a r t i s t s a nd I ne ve r l i ve d t he r e be c a us e t he a pa r t m e nt s w e r e not n i c e e nough a nd I l i ve d i n S out h T a m pa but I s pe nt a l ot of t i m e dow n t he r e a nd, a h w e s t a r t e d S B : I s t h i s P a t ? P W : N o nope t hi s i s j us t a not he r ga l t ha t I m e t d ow n t he r e young a nd s i ngl e a nd you know ; s he l i ve d a bove t he R i t z T he a t e r w hi c h a t t ha t poi nt w a s x r a t e d. T he r e w a s nobody e xc e pt a f e w K o r e a n s a i l or s w a nde r i ng t h r ough t he r e

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7 S B : O h, m y gos h. P W : Y ou ha d t o t hr ow pe nni e s a t he r w i ndow t o l e t he r know you w e r e dow ns t a i r s a nd S e ve nt h A ve nue w a s j us t e m pt y e xc e pt f o r but t he r e w a s t hi s l i t t l e j us t t h i s w onde r f ul a r t s c e ne a nd s o w e j us t s t a r t e d doi ng t hi ngs t hr e w t he f i r s t a r t s pa r t i e s i n Y bor C i t y a nd w ha t be c a m e w ha t w e c a l l t he A r t i s t s a nd W r i t e r s B a l l S B : O h, t ha t s w he n i t be ga n? P W : Y e a w e s t a r t e d i t i n 19 S B : N ow w ho i s w e P a ul ? P W : B ud L e e t he phot ogr a phe r B ud L e e t o m e I gi ve hi m c r e di t f or s o m uc h t ha t ha s ha ppe ne d i n T a m pa a r t s w i s e H e c a m e dow n he r e a nd s or t of e nde d up he r e a nd w a s doi ng s om e s t uf f f or t he a r t s c ounc i l a nd of c our s e m ove d t o Y bor C i t y a nd he s t a r t e d j us t m a ki ng t hi ngs ha ppe n. H e w a s j us t a r e a l doe r a f a s c i na t i ng c ha r a c t e r a nd he l ove d t o m a ke t hi ngs ha ppe n, a nd he l ove d a r t s o f a l l ki n ds H e w a s not a n e l i t i s t ; he l ove d t he w or s t pa i nt e r w ho w a s s i t t i ng on t he s t r e e t c or ne r p a i nt i ng; he l ove d c hi l dr e n s pa i nt i ngs ; he l ove d e ve r yt hi ng s t i l l B ud s s t i l l a l i ve ; he w a s a j us t r e a l f o r c e a t t ha t t i m e H e w oul d gi ve t he s e s how s w he r e he w oul d book t he T a m pa T he a t r e a nd put on a nybody doi ng a nyt hi ng T he w or s e t he a c t t he be t t e r H e l ove d t he s e t hi ngs a nd i t w oul d be r e a l ha ppe ni ngs A nd s o w e t ook t ha t a nd c r e a t e d t hi s A r t i s t s a nd W r i t e r s B a l l w hi c h w e t ook t he s e ol d c l ubs t ha t w e r e s i t t i ng e m pt y i n Y bor C i t y; gi a nt c l ubs t ha t t he y ha d done f or t he i m m i g r a nt s a nd t he i m m i g r a nt c l ubs ha d ba l l r oom s a t t he t op a nd t he a t e r s i n t he m a nd a nd ga m e r oom s dow n be l ow a nd pa t i o s a nd you c oul d t r a ns f or m t he m W e w oul d t r a ns f or m t he m c om pl e t e l y i nt o t h i s a r t ve n ue w ha t e ve r t he t he m e w a s Y ou j us t w a l ke d t hr ough t hi s m a gi c a l t hi ng a nd s o t hos e pa r t i e s w e r e w i l dl y s uc c e s s f ul a nd [ w oul d] d r a w 2000, 3000 pe opl e S B : T he n? P W : Y e a h, t he n S B : O h, m y gos h. P W : W hi c h w e r e w a y t oo m a ny pe opl e f or t he pl a c e a nd w e put ba nds a nd a r t a nd e ve r yone c a m e i n c os t um e a nd w e ha d t he m e s a nd, a h, i t r e a l l y s how e d pe opl e t ha t Y bo r C i t y w a s t hi s pl a c e you c oul d go a nd ha ve a good t i m e a nd t ha t t he r e w a s s om e t hi ng i nt e r e s t i ng goi ng on t he r e I t ha d be e n w r i t t e n of f by t he m a i ns t r e a m c om m uni t y. A l l t he i m m i gr a nt s ha d l e f t a nd t he y w e r e l uc ky t he y di dn t t e a r i t dow n T he y t r i e d t o t e a r i t dow n a nd s o i t t ur ne d Y bo r C i t y i nt o a s c e ne a nd f r om t he r e w e l a unc he d s om e m or e e ve nt s a nd w e di d a n a r t publ i c a t i on a nd w e di d a t hi ng c a l l e d T abl oi d t ha t c a m e out f o r t w o ye a r s U nt i l w e l os t a l l of our m one y a nd you know w e w e r e ne ve r bus i ne s s pe opl e S B : ( l a ughs ) W ha t a bout G ua va w e e n? W he n di d t ha t s t a r t ?

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8 P W : G ua va w e e n s t a r t e d, w e us e d a l i t t l e bi t of t he m one y w e m a de doi ng t he A r t i s t s a nd W r i t e r s B a l l a nd t he r e w a s a t he a t e r c om pa ny i n Y bor C i t y c a l l e d t he P l a ym a ke r s a nd G ua va w e e n w a s c onc e i ve d a s a f undr a i s e r f or t he m S B : I di dn t kn ow t ha t P W : Y e a h a nd w e s ha r e d i t w i t h t he c ha m be r W e m a de i t t he Y bor C i t y C ha m be r a nd P l a ym a ke r s f undr a i s e r I t d r e w a bout 5000 pe opl e W e di d j us t a t e r r i bl e pa r a de t ha t c a m e up S e ve nt h A ve nue a nd i t w a s t he m os t w on de r f ul e ve nt f or a bout f i ve ye a r s a nd t he n one da y, I c a m e ou t a nd t he r e w e r e 100 000 p e opl e i n t he s t r e e t s a nd i t w a s j us t e ve r ybody a nd t he i r dog a nd I j us t a s ke d, W ha t h a ppe ne d? I f e l t l i ke D r F r a nke ns t e i n, you know ha d c r e a t e d a t hi ng t ha t w a s not qui t e w ha t you e xpe c t e d. S B : W e l l you ha ve t o f e e l good a bout t ha t s ur e l y. I t s qui t e a dr a w P W : I t s qui t e a dr a w but now w he n I t e l l pe opl e t ha t I [ w a s ] i nvol ve d i n t he s t a r t of G ua va w e e n, a l ot of t he m l ook a t m e l i ke O h, you r e ki ddi ng m e S B : N ow di d you he l p c ho os e M a m a G ua va ? P W : O h ye a h, ye a h. ( i na udi bl e ) Y ou r e not s uppos e d t o m e nt i on he r na m e of c ou r s e S B : I know i t s a bi g s e c r e t P W : B i g s e c r e t but a h w e p i c ke d M a m a G ua va a nd w e c r e a t e d t hi s w hol e ba c k s t or y. S B : T hi s i s how m a ny ye a r s ol d? P W : T hi s i s a bout t w e nt y ye a r s ol d. S B : T ha t s i nc r e di bl e J us t a m a z i ng [ G ua va w e e n] ke e ps ge t t i ng bi gge r a nd b i gge r P W : Y e a h, i t s ki nd o f got t e n t o be a nd t he P l a ym a ke r s ul t i m a t e l y di dn t m a ke i t a nd t he guy w ho r e a l l y w a s be hi nd i t m ove d on t o t e a c h out s i de of t ow n. S o i t j us t ki nd of l os t s om e of t he a r t s c e nt e r I t be c a m e j us t a m o r e c r a s s S B : C om m e r c i a l P W : A bi g ol d pa r t y t ha t s om e body m a ke s m one y of f of a nd t he c ha m be r ge t s a l i t t l e bi t of i t B ut i n i t s da y, i t w a s r e a l l y S B : I t de f i ne s T a m pa t hough I t r e a l l y doe s P W : I n s om e w a ys ye a h.

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9 S B : D i d you m e e t P a t F e nda i n t hos e ye a r s ? P W : Y e a h, I m e t he r a h, I w a s pl a yi ng t he pi a no i n t he l obby f or t he P l a ym a ke r s f o r one of t he i r s how s a nd s he w a s c hor e ogr a phe r o f t he s how I t w a s J e s us C hr i s t Supe r s t ar S B : O h, m y goodne s s P W : A nd I ha d s e e n he r pe r f or m s he w a s a pe r f or m e r a nd I ha d s e e n he r pe r f o r m a nd s o w e m e t i n Y bo r C i t y S B : P a t F e nda be i ng you r f i r s t w i f e a nd w ha t ye a r w a s t ha t P a ul ? P W : W e got m a r r i e d i n 85. S o w e m e t a bout 83 84. S B : A nd t he n how l ong w e r e you m a r r i e d? P W : A bout t e n ye a r s S B : A bout t e n ye a r s w ow O ka y, s o t he n t hos e t h os e w e r e e a r l y ye a r s Y ou t he n m ove d f r om t he T r i bune t o t he T i m e s ( St P e t e r s bur g T i m e s ) P W : I di d S B : A bout w h e n w a s t ha t ? P W : 91. S B : 91. P W : T he T i m e s w a s m a ki ng a pr e t t y s t r ong m ove t o a t t r a c t r e a de r s i n T a m pa s o t he y hi r e d a f e w qui t e a f e w f ol ks out of t he T r i bune A nd I w a s one o f ( i na udi bl e ) t he r e w a s a not he r ( i na udi bl e ) A nd I j oi ne d t he e di t or i a l boa r d a nd, a h a nd t he n be c a m e a s or t of a r e por t e r w ho c oul d w r i t e a bout a nyt hi ng. I w r ot e a l ot a bout T a m pa B ut a l s o w r ot e a c ol um n f or w ho? ? t oo, a nd t he n be c a m e t he i r s t a t e c or r e s ponde nt S B : T ha t s s om e t hi ng. P W : G r e a t ne w s pa pe r g r e a t j ob S B : I t i s a nd i t w a s t ha t pa pe r t ha t be s t ow e d on yo u t hi s ve r y p r e s t i gi ous a w a r d or P W : W or ki ng w i t h e ve r ybody t ha t he l pe d m e w i n t ha t a w a r d, I d w on a f e w w r i t i ng a w a r ds ove r t he ye a r s a nd ha ve a l w a ys got t e n goo d, I got i n t hi s bus i ne s s be c a us e I c oul d w r i t e a nd m y da d w a s a r e a l l y w onde r f ul w r i t e r I got hi s t a l e nt f or t ha t A nd a h s o I t he T i m e s s ubm i t t e d m e f or r e por t e r of t he ye a r a w a r d t ha t a h

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10 S B : T ha t s i nc r e di bl e P W : T he F l o r i da S oc i e t y of N e w s pa pe r s gi ve s out e ve r y ye a r a nd I t hi nk w ha t s gr e a t i s you s ubm i t a body of w or k s o i t s not j us t one s t or yl i ne I t w a s how you di d t he w hol e ye a r A nd s o t ha t I w on t ha t S B : T ha t i s ve r y i m p r e s s i ve P W : A nd i t w a s gr e a t a nd i t w a s l i ke ve r y gr a t i f yi n g a nd a l s o he l pe d m e w i n a na t i ona l j our na l i s m f e l l ow s hi p t o t he U ni ve r s i t y of M i c hi ga n, w hi c h w a s t r ul y a n ho nor S B : W ow T ha t i s qui t e a n honor P W : T a ke a ye a r of f w i t h pa y a nd be i n a uni ve r s i t y s e t t i ng w i t h 16 ot he r j our na l i s t s f r om a r ound t he w o r l d. S B : T ha t s a m a z i ng a nd i t w a s not e d t h a t t he r e w e r e qui t e [ a ] f e w p r e s t i gi ous pe opl e w ho w e r e gi ve n t hos e s c hol a r s hi ps P W : T he y ha d a r e a l l y good c r os s s e c t i on, s om e o f t he m a r e w e ha d W al l St r e e t J our nal N e w Y or k T i m e s a nd s om e one f r om a na t i ona l T V s how a s w e l l a s ne w s s how s a nd w e a l s o ha d s om e s m a l l t ow n j our na l i s t s B e c a us e t he y w e r e r e a l l y, t he y r e a l l y ba l a nc e d i t out ni c e l y W e ha d j our na l i s t s f r om K o r e a C hi na a nd P ol a nd. S B : A nd w ha t di d you s t udy, t he n, t ha t ye a r ? P W : Y ou r e not a l l ow e d t o be a j our na l i s t pa r t i c ul a r l y. T he y w a nt you t o ha ve a not he r s a bba t i c a l s o you c a n t a ke a nyt hi ng a t t he uni ve r s i t y, s o I di d a nd I s t udi e d s hor t s t or y w r i t i ng on a pr i va t e s e m i na r w i t h a guy, w i t h a gr e a t pr of e s s or t he r e na m e d C ha r l e s B a xt e r w ho i s c ons i s t e nt l y i n t he T he B e s t A m e r i c an Shor t St or y B ook s J us t a w onde r f ul w r i t e r of M i dw e s t s t or i e s a nd, a h s t udi e d g r a dua t e l e ve l pl a yw r i t i ng a nd s c r e e nw r i t i ng a nd you know t ook l o t s of t hi ngs a nd a c t ua l l y got a pl a y t ha t I ha d w r i t t e n ge t pr oduc e d a t t he U ni ve r s i t y w hi l e I w a s t he r e S B : W ha t w a s t he na m e ? P W : I t s c a l l e d St r ay D ogs A nd i t w a s S B : A nd w ha t w a s t ha t a bout ? P W : St r ay D ogs w a s a h, I s pe c i a l i z e d i n j our na l i s m I f a nyt hi ng I s pe c i a l i z e d i n, i t w a s w r i t i ng a bout pe opl e w ho di dn t ha ve a voi c e a ny w he r e e l s e a nd I l ov e d w r i t i ng a nd e nde d up gi vi ng pe opl e w or ds e i t he r s t r e e t pe opl e or out s i de of s oc i e t y i n s om e w a y. A h, a nd, a nd t hos e c ha r a c t e r s w oul d r e s ona t e w i t h m e be yond t he s t or y I w r ot e f or t he pa pe r be c a us e t he pa pe r i s ve r y l i m i t e d a s t o how f a r you c a n go, a n d onc e you ha ve

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11 w r i t t e n t ha t s t or y t he e di t or s don t w a nt t o s e e i t a ga i n. I ha ve a l r e a dy r e a d a bout t hi s pe r s on. B ut t he s e c ha r a c t e r s w e r e s t i l l ba t t i ng a r ound i n m y he a d a nd of t e n c a m e a nd bor r ow e d m one y f r om m e a nd t hi ngs i n r e a l l i f e a nd i t w a s a w hol e i s s ue a s a j our na l i s t of a h you w oul d s pe nd t i m e w i t h t he s e pe opl e a n d I d a l w a ys s pe nd t w o or t hr e e da ys s om e t i m e s on a s t or y, a nd ge t i nt o t he i r l i ve s a nd t he n you m ove on a nd t he n you w r i t e a bout i t A nd you d be t hi s ve r y i m po r t a nt pe r s on i n t he i r l i ve s a nd f or you t he y w e r e j us t a j ob. T he y w e r e w ha t you d i d f o r a c oupl e of da ys A nd t he r e w a s t hi s w hol e i s s ue of s or t of l ovi ng t he m a nd l e a vi ng t he m t ha t r e a l l y e xi s t e d. Y ou j us t di dn t t a l k a bout i t a w hol e l ot B ut i t s ve r y t r ue S o t hi s pl a y i s a l l a bout one of t he s e c ha r a c t e r t ha t br e a ks i nt o m y o f f i c e a s a r e por t e r a nd t o r e s c ue a l l of t he s e pe opl e I ha ve h i dde n i n m y c om put e r a l l t he s t or i e s S B : ( l a ughs ) P W : A nd he a s he r e s c ue s t he m S B : O h, I l ove i t P W : T he y s pe a k. S o a l l t he s e c ha r a c t e r s t e l l t he i r s t or y, a nd i t w or ke d r e a l l y w e l l A nd i t w a s pr oduc e d he r e by T he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r a nd a l s o pr oduc e d a t t he U ni ve r s i t y of M i c hi ga n. S B : O h, m y goodne s s t ha t s g r e a t H a s a nyt hi ng h a ppe ne d s i nc e ? P W : T ha t w a s I ha d n t r e a l l y pus he d t ha t m or e t ha n t ha t s i nc e t he n. I t s s t i l l a r ound I d l i ke t o b r i ng i t ba c k i n a ga i n. I t w a s r e a l l y g r e a t I got t o di r e c t i t t o di r e c t t he s how t he r e I t r a n f or s e ve r a l w e e ke nds he r e i n T a m pa S o, i t ha d a good l i f e I m e a n, I don t know w ha t you w oul d do w i t h i t I don t c ons i de r m ys e l f a pr of e s s i ona l pl a yw r i ght B ut I l ove d t he t he a t e r w or l d a nd i t w a s gr e a t t o ha ve b e e n a bl e t o do t ha t S B : S o t he n you c a m e ba c k t o T a m pa f r om M i c hi ga n? P W : I c a m e ba c k a nd I ha d m e t a c oupl e o f t hi n gs ha ppe ne d w hi l e I w a s t he r e I t w a s a m a gni f i c e nt you know l i t t l e c ol l e ge t ow n a nd y ou r e w i t h 16 ot he r pe opl e a nd you r e not w or ki ng, a nd s o, a h, I w a s s i ngl e a nd t he r e w a s a w om a n f r om t he W a l l S t r e e t J our na l t ha t w or ke d i n t he B e r l i n bur e a u, a nd s o w e f e l l i n l ove A nd a h s he w a s i nvi t i ng m e t o c om e t o B e r l i n a nd S B : S he w a s G e r m a n? P W : Y e p. S B : Y e p.

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12 P W : A nd f r om a r e a l i nt e r e s t i ng G e r m a n f a m i l y, a ve r y w e l l know n G e r m a n f a m i l y A nd a l s o one of m y j our na l i s m s t or i e s ha d got t e n opt i o ne d a s a s c r e e npl a y a nd t he pe opl e t ha t opt i one d i t w a nt e d m e t o w r i t e t he s c r e e npl a y be c a us e I ha d s om e e xpe r i e nc e doi ng t ha t a nd, a nd s o I ne e de d t o t a ke s om e t i m e o f f t o w r i t e S o i t e nde d up be i ng L e t s go t o G e r m a ny a nd s e e i f t hi s r e l a t i ons hi p w i l l w or k out L e t s l i ve i n E ur ope f or a w hi l e w hi c h i s s om e t hi ng I a l w a ys w a nt e d t o do. A nd, I l l w r i t e t he s c r e e npl a y a nd go t o H ol l yw ood a nd be c om e f a m ous I t s s o e a s y, a f t e r a f e l l ow s hi p, you t hi nk e ve r yt hi ng i n t he w or l d i s pos s i bl e S o, i t di dn t qui t e a l l w or k out but I l i ve d i n G e r m a ny f or a ye a r T u r ne d out w e w e r e pr oba bl y not t he be s t c oupl e t o be t oge t he r but i t w a s f i ne T he n I w e nt a nd f ol l ow e d t he s c r e e npl a y t o L A ( L os A nge l e s ) A nd t he pr oduc e r s a c t ua l l y put m e up i n t he i r hous e i n t h e B r e nt w ood a r e a a nd I s or t o f i m m e r s e d m ys e l f i n t ha t w or l d f or a l i t t l e w hi l e I w a s l ooki n g f or t o ge t ba c k i n j our na l i s m out t he r e a nd w he n I f i r s t go t t he r e t he y he l pe d m e ge t a j ob a s a l oc a t i on gui de a t t he A m ba s s a dor H ot e l w hi c h i s w he r e R obe r t K e nne dy w a s ki l l e d. T ha t f a m ous hot e l w a s a l s o t he s i t e of t he C oc oa nut G r ove ni ght c l ub a nd t he y di d t he f i r s t O s c a r s e a r l y O s c a r s a t t hi s pl a c e I t w a s a n a ba ndone d hot e l t ha t w a s a f i l m s e t T he r e w e r e a l w a ys pe opl e f i l m i ng. A nd t he y ha d a n of f i c e of f i l m i ns i de t he hot e l a nd I w or ke d f or t he m a nd w or ke d w i t h m ovi e pr oduc t i ons a nd T V p r oduc t i o ns a nd c a bl e pr oduc t i ons a nd r oc k vi de os Y ou got t o s e e e ve r y t ype of t hi ng t ha t t he y w e r e s hoot i ng i n L A S B : N ow t hi s i s w hi l e you w e r e w or ki ng on t h e s c r e e npl a y? P W : Y e a h, I ha d f i ni s he d t he s c r e e npl a y, a nd I w a s w or ki ng on s om e m or e Y ou c oul d a c t ua l l y i t w a s one of t hos e t hi ngs w he r e a s l ong a s t hi ngs w e r e goi ng qui t e w e l l you c oul d s i t i n t he of f i c e a nd w or k on you r s c r e e npl a y. Y ou w e r e ki nd o f t he r e i n c a s e s om e one ne e de d s om e t hi ng. S o I got t o s e e t he w h ol e i nt e r w or k i ngs a nd w a t c h a c t or s gr e a t a c t or s w or ki ng a nd gr e a t di r e c t or s w or ki ng a nd s om e ba d a c t or s a nd ba d di r e c t or s but you know you got t o s e e how i t a l l got done S B : T he w hol e t hi ng um hm P W : Y e a h. S B : N ow s ha r e i f you w i l l how you m e t E uge ni e B ondur a nt your c ur r e nt w i f e P W : W e l l I ha d a h, gone t o w or k i n, f i r s t f or a s t a t e w i de l e ga l ne w s pa pe r a nd t he n of c our s e got a j ob w i t h t he A s s oc i a t e d P r e s s a nd I w e nt t o w or k f or t he A s s oc i a t e d P r e s s ba s e d i n L A w hi c h i s t he i r s e c ond or t hi r d bi gge s t bur e a u. I t w a s a r e a l l y i nt e r e s t i ng bur e a u be c a us e you w e r e c ove r i ng e nt e r t a i n m e nt a nd you w e r e c ove r i ng pol i t i c s a nd L A i s a ve r y t ough ne w s t ow n. T he r e s t ons of ne w s t h e r e Y ou f a l l ove r i t w he n you w a l k out door s I t s e ve r yw he r e I ha d a r e por t e r f r i e nd s a y, s he c ove r e d t he c our t hous e i n L A a nd t he r e w e r e s i x s t or i e s on a ny gi ve n da y w hi c h w oul d ha ve m a de f r ont pa ge ne w s i n T a m pa S B : O h, m y goodne s s

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13 P W : S he ha d t o pi c k w hi c h one or t w o s he ha d t o w r i t e a bout a nd s o i t w a s t ha t ki nd o f pl a c e S o, I ha d gone t o w or k a t A s s oc i a t e d P r e s s c ove r e d l ot s of d i ve r s e s e r i ous a nd w a c ky s t or i e s a nd w a s c ove r i ng one of t he w a c ky one s t he W ynona R yde r s hopl i f t i ng t r i a l i n B e ve r l y H i l l s w hi c h w a s m o r e m e di a c ove r a ge t ha n a l ot of b i g s t or i e s s houl d ha ve A nd a h, I w a s i nvi t e d t o a pa r t y j us t not f a r f r om t he c our t hous e t ha t n i ght by a publ i c i s t w ho t hought I w a s c ool a nd w a s i nvi t i ng m e t o l ot s o f s t uf f I w a s r e a l l y t r yi ng t o m e e t a s m a ny pe opl e i n L A a s I c oul d. T hi s w a s a gr e a t w a y t o do i t a nd I t hought t he r e m i ght be a c ut e gi r l t he r e t oo A nd s ur e e nough, E uge ni e ha d m a de a m ovi e S he s a n a c t r e s s a nd s he ha d m a de a n i nde pe nde nt f i l m a nd ha d be e n i nvi t e d t o t he pa r t y a nd t hough t i t w a s a gr e a t p l a c e t o go t o pr o m ot e t he m ovi e be c a us e t he y w e r e l ooki n g f or a di s t r i but i on de a l A nd s he c a m e ove r by he r s e l f t o m e e t he r f r i e nds a nd t he y w e r e n t t he r e w he n s he got t he r e a nd I w a s t he r e a nd s a w he r a nd, a h, w e nt u p a nd qui c kl y got m ys e l f i nt r oduc e d a nd w a s c ha r m i ng a s a l l ge t out S B : S he w a s t ot a l l y c onvi nc e d? Y ou w or ke d a t t hi s ? P W : W e l l ye a h, s he w a s a c t ua l l y, s he a nnounc e d t o m e w he n w e m e t t ha t s he w a s E uge ni e B ondur a nt a nd I m m ovi ng t o N e w O r l e a ns S he w a s f r om N e w O r l e a ns S he ha d be e n t r yi ng t o ge t ba c k t o N e w O r l e a ns f or t w e l ve ye a r s S he ha d a good c a r e e r out t he r e a nd di d ve r y w e l l but s he ne ve r f e l t a t ho m e t he r e be c a us e s he ow ns a be a ut i f ul hous e out t he r e a nd done l ot s of s t uf f a nd pe opl e l ov e d he r b ut s he w a s de t e r m i ne d s he w a s m ovi ng t o N e w O r l e a ns S o s he t hough t I w o ul d be s om e body good t o i nt r oduc e he r gi r l f r i e nds t o m e S B : U h huh, oh m y ( l a ughs ) P W : I a c t ua l l y a s ke d he r out on a r e a l da t e f o r l a t e r a nd, a h, i n L A r e a l da t e s of t e n m e a n, M e e t m e a t t he r e s t a ur a nt G uys don t pi c k up i t s a w e i r d w or l d out t he r e a nd I a c t ua l l y s a i d, I ve m a de r e s e r va t i ons f or di nne r I l l be pi c ki ng you up a t t hi s hou r W he n s he c a m e out I a c t ua l l y ope ne d t he door f or he r a nd yo u know i t w a s l i ke s he s a s out he r n be l l e r e a l l y. S he s a U ni ve r s i t y o f A l a ba m a s or or i t y gi r l S he s a N e w O r l e a ns you know s oc i e t y gi r l e ve n t hough s he doe s n t a dm i t t o i t A nd s o, s he l i ke d a l l t ha t a nd w e e nde d up ha vi ng a l ot i n c om m on. S B : T ha t s gr e a t P W : H i t i f of f a nd ul t i m a t e l y, I T ape 1 e nds ; t ape 2 be gi ns

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17 l a t c he d on t o m one y or t o p r oj e c t s t ha t w e c a n, t ha t w e c a n you know s or t of t a ke ove r i n a w a y S B : O ka y. P W : A nd t he r e i s you know t he r e i s s om e f und r a i s i ng i nv ol ve d. B ut w e ve a l w a ys w e ve t r i e d t o l ook c e r t a i nl y i n m y pr oj e c t s t r i e d t o l ook out s i de t he no r m a l r e a l m a nd S B : W ha t boa r ds a r e you on? P W : I ve be e n on S B : I m e a n w ha t a r e you a c t i ve i n? P W : W e l l S B : I n t he c om m uni t y s pe c i f i c a l l y? P W : R e pr e s e nt i ng W e l l t he c i t y gi ve s m one y t o a num be r of t hi ngs a nd w e ha ve t o, w e t he r e s w e a r e on t hos e boa r ds a l ot of boa r ds t ha t w e s uppor t A nd s o I m on t he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r boa r d; I m on t he F l or i da O r c he s t r a boa r d now I j us t c a m e of f t he P l a nt M us e um boa r d. A f e w of us r ot a t e t hr oug h t he s e boa r ds B us i ne s s C om m i t t e e f or t he A r t s ; C ha m be r s A r t s C om m i t t e e T he r e s a f e w ot he r s t ha t pr oba bl y a r e not c om i ng t o m i nd r i ght now but you t he G a s pa r i l l a A r t F e s t i va l f or a w hi l e I j us t c a m e of f [ o f ] t ha t S o you, you t he r e i s a r ol e of s or t of c i t y r e pr e s e nt a t i ve I f i nd t ha t p r oba bl y t he l e a s t you know vi t a l pa r t of m y j ob but i t he l ps yo u m e e t pe opl e I t he l ps you c onne c t a nd you c a n a t l e a s t s e e a M os t of t he or ga ni z a t i o ns t ha t I ve be e n on f or t una t e l y ha ve be e n ve r y w e l l r un a nd no t ha d, be e n [ i n ] c r i s i s T h e r e ha ve be e n s om e boa r ds w he r e pe opl e ha ve be e n on i t a nd ha ve not be e n t ha t l uc k y! S B : W e r e t a l ki ng a m us e um ? U h huh Y ou a r e no t i nvol ve d i n t he m us e um ? P W : N o, i nt e r e s t i ngl y e nou gh. T he w a y t he m a yo r e nvi s i one d t he r e or ga ni z a t i on of t he c i t y t ha t c r e a t e d m y pos i t i on, w hi c h i s C r e a t i ve I nd us t r i e s w e ha ve a publ i c a r t d i vi s i on, t he A r t s a nd C ul t ur a l A f f a i r s A nd t he m a yor ha d w a nt e d t o br i ng i n a na t i ona l l e ve l a r t s pe r s on t o, t o s o r t o f m a na ge t he c i t y s a r t s w hol e a r t s pi c t ur e A nd I unde r s t a nd t ha t phi l os ophy a nd t he c i t y s t r y i ng t o bui l d a bi g m us e um A nd s he f e l t l i ke s he ne e de d s om e body t o r e a l l y r e pr e s e nt he r i n t ha t p r oc e s s be c a us e i t s be e n a t ough p r oc e s s a s w e a l l know S B : S ur e P W : I t ha s s t um bl e d i n r e c e nt ye a r s a nd, I m e a n l a s t ye a r a nd hope f ul l y w i l l be ge t t i ng ba c k on i t s f e e t S o s he w a nt e d t hi s pe r s on t o be t he m us e um A nd i t w a s I t hought a t

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18 f i r s t W e l l I w i s h I c oul d pa r t i c i pa t e be c a us e I t ho ught t ha t w a s you know t he bi gge s t t hi ng goi ng on A s i t t u r ne d out i t w a s t he be s t t hi ng t ha t e ve r ha ppe ne d, be c a us e you know t he f i r s t m us e um p r oj e c t of t he ( i na udi bl e ) p r oj e c t e nde d i n s om e a c r i m ony on bot h s i de s A nd R obi n [ N i gh] a nd I w ho r uns our publ i c a r t s d i vi s i on a nd m ys e l f w e r e not i nvol ve d i n a ny o f t ha t S o w e a r e a bl e t o j us t c ont i nue w or ki ng S B : U ns c a t he d? P W : U ns c a t he d a nd w or ki ng w i t h a l l t he c om m uni t y a nd ha ve be e n a bl e t o be s or t of c a r r y on. A nd t he n I w a s one of t he pe opl e w ho r e c om m e nd e d K e n R ol l i ns t o t he m a yor t o t a ke ove r S B : T ha t s ni c e P W : I n t he i nt e r i m pos i t i on. A nd ul t i m a t e l y a s w e t a l ke d a bout i t t he y d i d hi r e t hi s pe r s on [ W e ndy C e c c he r e l l i ] a nd i t di dn t r e a l l y w or k out be c a us e pe r s ona l i t i e s j us t di dn t c l i c k not w i t h m e or w i t h R obi n, but t he m a yor a nd t hi s pe r s on d i dn t qui t e w or k out A nd I t h i nk i t t he y onc e t he y r e a l i z e d t he r e w a s not e nough f or he r t o m a na ge be c a us e w e w e r e s t i l l a r e [ a ] g r ow i ng a de pa r t m e n t S o w e i n goi ng f or w a r d w e r e goi ng t o be a bl e t o us e t ha t s a l a r y l i ne t o c r e a t e t w o j obs O ne f ul l t i m e a nd one w ho s a pe r s on w ho i s t a ki ng i t on a s a f ul l t i m e c ons ul t a nt K e e p t he m i n t he p r i va t e s e c t or s o t he y c a n do s om e t hi ngs a l i t t l e e a s i e r t ha n be i ng a c i t y e m p l oye e S B : A nd e ve nt s ? P W : A n e ve n t s pr o f e s s i ona l B e c a us e w e r e ve r y a m bi t i ous a nd w e ki nd of do t he s e m a j or t hi ngs but w e r e a l l y ne e d e xpe r t i s e i n t hos e a r e a s S B : I s t he ne xt e ve nt t he L a t i n F e s t i va l ? A r e t he r e a ny i n be t w e e n, o r ? P W : W e l l L i ght s O n w e c r e a t e d P ubl i c A r t c r e a t e d t he L i ght s O n T a m pa A nd I w a s I pul l e d he l pe d pu l l t oge t he r w i t h a num be r o f a r t s g r oups a t hi ng t ha t be c a m e know n a s A r t e 2005, a bi g L a t i n A m e r i c a n a r t s f e s t i va l I t s c om i ng ba c k e ve r y t w o ye a r s a nd s o i s L i ght s O n i n a l t e r na t i ng ye a r s S B : G r e a t P W : A nd S B : T ha t s ve r y a m bi t i ous P W : A nd t hos e a r e p r e t t y a m bi t i ous pr oj e c t s A nd w e r e a l s o doi ng ot he r t hi ngs W e r e w e r e j us t i n M i a m i a t t he A r t B a s e l e ve nt A nd I don t know i f you r e f a m i l i a r w i t h t ha t B a s e l

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19 S B : I a m ye a h. P W : I t s a bi g ga l l e r y s how G a l l e r i e s f r om a r ound t he w or l d c om e t o M i a m i a nd pa y 50, 000 dol l a r s t o be j us t r e pr e s e nt e d a t t hi s a r t s ho w S o i m a gi ne how m uc h t he y r e s e l l i ng. A nd M i a m i i s be c om i ng t hi s huge a r t s ve n ue S B : I nt e r na t i ona l P W : I nt e r na t i ona l a r t s ve nue W e r e not s a yi ng T a m pa i s s uppos e d t o t r y t o e m ul a t e t ha t but w ha t w a s W ha t s a m a z i ng t ha t ha s ha ppe ne d i s a r ound t hi s bi g t hi ng, A r t s B a s e l ha s c om e s e ve n or e i ght s m a l l e ve nt s t ha t a r e goi n g on a t t he e xa c t s a m e t i m e s pi n of f s A nd t he y ve a c t u a l l y e nc our a ge d i t A nd, a nd w e r e a l l y l ove d t hos e t hi ngs A nd s o c om i ng ba c k, w e l ooke d a t W e l l w ha t s our bi gge s t s or t o f a r t s f e s t i va l or e ve nt ? A nd t ha t s t he G a s pa r i l l a A r t s s i de w a l k a r t s f e s t i va l I t s t hi r t y f i ve f or t y ye a r s ol d. I t s ve r y s uc c e s s f ul S om e of t he h i ghe s t pr i z e m one y i t s a ve r y hi gh qua l i t y s how A nd 100 000 or m or e pe opl e c om e dow n t o s e e i t S o w e r e c r e a t i ng f o r M a r c h t hi s M a r c h t he c i t y s c om m i s s i one d a c ur a t or t o c r e a t e s or t of a s i de s how t ha t w i l l be s or t of a B e s t of T a m pa a r t s how A nd w e r e goi ng t o ha ve t h r e e or f ou r ot he r t hi ngs goi ng on t ha t a r e s i de s how s W e ve one o f t he t hi ngs t ha t w e w e r e a bl e t o do w a s m a ke s om e c i t y s pa c e a va i l a bl e t o a n a r t s c ol l e c t i ve a nd t he y r e i n dow nt ow n a t f r e e a dol l a r a ye a r t he y ge t a bout a t hous a nd s qua r e f e e t of e m pt y o f f i c e s pa c e i n a be a ut i f ul r e d b r i c k t r a i n s t a t i on. A nd s o, s o t he y r e goi ng t o ha ve a bi g s how W e l l ha ve t h i s ot he r b i g s how t h a t w e a nd one m or e pi e c e of L i ght s O n T a m pa hope f ul l y a ppe a r i ng t ha t w e e ke nd, a nd t w o or t hr e e o t he r S B : T ha t s e xc i t i ng P W : T hi ngs A nd w e r e goi ng t o bi l l i t a s a you k now bi g a r t s w e e ke nd w i t h t he s e s pi n of f t hi ngs Y ou c a n s e e t hi s s how you c a n s e e t hi s s how you c a n s e e t ha t A nd i t w i l l s a y, T he r e s a l ot o f s t uf f goi ng on S B : V e r y e xc i t i ng, s ur e P W : I n T a m pa A nd i t w i l l be ve r y i nt e r e s t i ng a nd hi gh qua l i t y a r t S B : T ha t s e xc i t i ng I di dn t m e a n t o i gnor e your m us i c your l ove o f m us i c A nd I t hi nk I c a n t r e m e m be r i f w e m e nt i one d t he P op T a r t s w hi c h y ou be ga n m a ny ye a r s a go, I r e m e m be r l i s t e ni ng t o t he m A nd I t hi nk you ha d t he m f or m a ybe 10 ye a r s ? P W : Y e a h. S B : O r s o? A nd t he n you ha d a br e a k P W : T ook a l i t t l e br e a k.

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20 S B : H a d a br e a k. P W : A nd i t w a s i t w a s f un i t w a s a ve r y popul a r gr oup a nd ha d gi r l s i nge r s a nd i t w a s ki nd of a s how t ha t you c oul d da nc e t o i n a w a y. A nd s o c om bi ne m y l ove of t he a t r e a nd m y l ove [ o f ] m us i c ; a nd I m a pi a no pl a ye r a nd I o ught I s or t of de s c r i be m ys e l f a s W e l l I m not t he w or l d s gr e a t e s t pi a no p l a ye r but I m a good e n t e r t a i ne r S B : A w onde r f ul e nt e r t a i ne r P W : S o, i t s f un, a nd w e ha ve a good t i m e A nd w e got a l ot of w or k be c a us e w e l ook l i ke w e w e r e ha vi ng f un. S B : B ut now you ve r e s um e d your l ove ? B y f or m i ng a not he r gr oup A nd t hi s i s how ol d? P W : M a ybe a ye a r a nd a ha l f s om e t hi ng l i ke t ha t S B : A nd t he na m e ? P W : T he na m e i s B l ue R os e s A nd S B : I ha ve t o a s k, w hy? P W : W he r e w e got t ha t na m e S B : W he r e ? P W : W e l l I m a bi g T e nne s s e e W i l l i a m s f a n. A nd I ve j us t he s m y f a vor i t e a r t i s t w r i t e r how e ve r y ou I j us t t hi nk he s j us t a m a z i n g S B : H e s w onde r f ul P W : A nd, a nd i n [ T he ] G l as s M e nage r i e t he ge nt l e m a n c a l l e r c a l l s t he s i s t e r B l ue R os e s be c a us e s he ha d ha d pl e ur os i s i n H i gh S c hool he di dn t know w ho t o s a y pl e ur os i s a nd s o he c a l l e d he r B l ue R o s e s A nd I a l w a ys t hought W ha t a gr e a t na m e f o r a ba nd G uys i n m us i c a r e a l w a ys goi ng, G od, t ha t w oul d be a gr e a t na m e f or a ba nd not t ha t one Y ou know a l w a ys s om e t hi ng. S om e body w i l l s a y s om e t hi ng, I go, W ha t a gr e a t na m e f o r a ba nd! S o I a c t ua l l y ha d t ha t one i n m y ba c k poc k e t f or a l ong t i m e A nd t hi s g r oup w a s j us t a t r i o oc c a s i ona l l y w i t h a gi r l s i nge r t ha t w e h a d, a nd w e a l w a ys S B : A nd w he r e do you pe r f or m ? P W : W e r i ght now w e r e do i ng t h r e e s how s a t a t he a t e r i n S t P e t e c a l l e d t he P a l l a di u m A nd i t s t he I ve be e n I ve a l w a ys l ove d s t a nda r ds a nd I ve a l w a ys l ove d w e ve a l w a ys ha d s ongs f r om t he t h i r t i e s e ve n i n our P op T a r t s da nc e ba nd, be c a us e t hos e a r e gr e a t s ongs A nd pe opl e r e a l l y r e s ponde d, a nd I ha d t he you know ba c k up t he gi r l

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21 s i nge r s a nd w e c oul d do, A m I B l ue ? a nd w e c o ul d do F a t s W a l l e r t une s a nd w e c oul d do s om e of t hos e s or t of s t a nda r ds t ha t w e r e j us t h a d a good r hyt hm t o t he m A nd I ve a l w a ys a nd now I m r e a l l y e xpl or i ng t he m a l ot de e pe r A nd t he s e a r e a c om bi na t i on of t he a t r e a nd m us i c w he r e I t e l l s t or i e s a bout t he s ongs a nd t he s ongw r i t e r s S B : O h t ha t s how w onde r f ul P W : A nd w e do S B : E duc a t i ona l P W : T he s ongs A nd s o t hi s w e ve t he f i r s t one w a s a l l a bout l ov e s ongs I c a l l i t L ove a nd O t he r N a t ur a l D i s a s t e r s a nd s or t of t r a c k l ove t hr ough t he e ye s of t he s e c om pos e r s A nd t he n t hi s one s c a l l e d P oe t s of T i n P a n A l l e y, a n d i t s a bout w hy t he l yr i c s w e r e s o good dur i ng t he pe r i od be t w e e n t he t w o w or l d w a r s S B : T hi s i s not j ob r e l a t e d, t hi s i s l i ke pur e f un. P W : [ A ] t ot a l s e pa r a t e t hi ng S B : F or you, I gue s s E xc e pt you know t he r e a r e o c c a s i ons w he r e you l l ha ve t o ha ve gr oups pe r f or m a nd a l l W oul d you, w oul d you do t ha t ? P W : N o, I t r y not t o I t r y t o m a ke t hi s S B : S e pa r a t e ? P W : I t s ow n t hi ng I m e a n s e e i f you e ve n not i c e W e r e pl a yi ng i n S t P e t e r s bur g. Y ou know w he r e I don t e ve n ha ve t ha t a ny c l out I di dn t you know t hi s t he y a s k us t o pl a y ove r t he r e S B : B ut i t s t i l l ke e ps you s o i nt e g r a l l y i nvol ve d P W : Y ou ha ve t o i f you w a nt t o I l ove m us i c a nd I ha ve t o do i t e ve r y da y. A nd i f you don t ha ve a g r oup, I f i nd t ha t I l os e t hi s I t s not t ha t I don t do i t but i t i t m a ke s you w or k a t a h i ghe r l e ve l A nd I I w or k s o ha r d a t i t i t s i t j us t f e e l s unna t ur a l not t o be doi ng i t i n s om e w a ys S B : Y ou ve be e n a j our na l i s t you ve be e n a m us i c i a n, a r e por t e r P W : S c r e e nw r i t e r S B : S c r e e nw r i t e r P W : A ba d, you know pl a yw r i ght you know I do n t know

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22 S B : P i a ni s t I m e a n, w ha t f l oa t s your boa t ? W ha t d o you l i ke t he be s t ? P W : T ha t s a good que s t i on be c a us e I t hi nk a t t he poi nt I m doi ng i t I l ove e a c h of t hos e t hi ngs I ne ve r f e l t l i ke one w a s you know m y da y j ob w a s ne ve r s uppor t i ng m y ni ght j ob i n a s e ns e I m e a n, j our na l i s m I f e l t l i ke i n t e r m s of m y t a l e nt a nd I us e d t hi s l i ne a nd I t hi nk i t s pr e t t y t r ue A s a j our na l i s t I ha d a s hot a t a P ul i t z e r P r i z e B ut I don t t hi nk I d e ve r be a t t he G r a m m y s Y ou know w ha t I m e a n? S B : I s ur e do. P W : I k i nd of I l ove m us i c a nd I l ove do i ng i t but I ne ve r e nvi s i one d m ys e l f a s s om e one br e a ki ng t hr ough i nt o t he na t i ona l m a r ke t F or m e i t s j us t a t hi ng t ha t you do a s pa r t of your l i f e I t s j us t S B : S o w ha t i s your goa l ? I n C r e a t i ve I ndus t r i e s ? P W : W ha t s ni c e i s I m now i n t hi s j ob i t c om bi ne s a l ot of m y t a l e nt s I m m y l ove of t he c i t y, m y ba c kgr ound i n t he c i t y, m y i n t e r e s t i n s e e i ng i t c ont i nue [ t o ] i m p r ove I t hi nk w e r e w e r e you know F l or i da i t s e l f I t h i nk, i s a s t a t e t ha t s e vol vi ng ve r y r a pi dl y S B : I t s ur e i s P W : A nd f r om one t hi ng t o a not he r A nd i n e vol ut i on, s om e t hi ngs de ve l op f a s t e r t ha n ot he r s A nd you s om e t hi ngs c a n be ve r y s t r ong a nd ot he r t h i ngs ne e d s om e he l p. A nd I t hi nk you know w e F l o r i da de ve l ope d a s a t ou r i s t e c onom y. W e de ve l ope d a s a s por t s ba s e d e c onom y w he r e pe opl e a r e he r e f or t he w e a t he r A nd t he a r t s i n s om e w a ys ha ve l a gge d a l i t t l e be hi nd W e ve be e n f or t una t e t ha t w e ve bui l t a gr e a t P e r f or m i n g A r t s C e nt e r he r e T he F l o r i da O r c he s t r a ha s be e n he r e f or s o l ong a nd e ve n t hough i t s ha d s om e s t r uggl e s i t s he r e A nd i t s you know i t s r e a l l y f ound i t s p l a c e A nd, a nd I t hi nk t he a r t s i n ge ne r a l t hi s i s t he poi nt w he r e w e ne e d t o t o r e a l l y c onc e nt r a t e on t ha t W e s t i l l don t ha ve a m a j or e qui t y t he a t r e hous e i n t he T a m pa B a y a r e a t ha t i s f ul l on you know r e gi ona l t he a t r e W e ve j us t got S B : [ T o ] t a ke i t up a not c h? P W : W e ve got a f e w t hi ngs t ha t ne e d t o be w e ne e d t o pa y s om e a t t e nt i on t o A nd I t hi nk t ha t s one t hi ng t he m a yor s t r yi ng t o do w i t h t hi s j ob, a nd c e r t a i nl y w ha t I m t r yi ng t o do w hi l e I m he r e A nd I d on t s e e m ys e l f a s a p r of e s s i ona l gove r nm e nt pe r s on. I m he r e t o m a ke s om e t h i ngs ha ppe n, t o ha ve s om e f u n doi ng i t t o m a ke i t you know t a ke a dva nt a ge of t hi s oppor t un i t y. T he m a yor r e a l l y s a ys Y ou know t hi s i s i t Y ou know w e r e you ge t you r e l uc ky i f you ge t t he s e w i ndo w s w he r e pe opl e ha nd you s om e t hi ng a nd s a y, G o do i t S B : I s n t t ha t s o t r ue

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23 P W : A nd you know w e m i ght S B : T ha t i s a t r ue f a c t P W : E i t he r do s om e t hi ng or or you know w hy a r e w e he r e ? B e c a us e i n t e n ye a r s you l l l ook ba c k a nd s a y, W e l l w e ha d our s hot A nd s o w e r e j us t t r y i ng t o m a ke s om e t hi ngs ha ppe n a nd m y goa l you know I t hi nk m y goa l s a r e a l w a ys t o t r y t o t a ke w ha t e ve r I m doi ng a nd t r y t o do i t a s be s t I c a n A nd p r oba bl y h a ve n t f ol l ow e d t he c a r e e r pa t h t ha t i f I j us t l a i d i t out but m y m i nd doe s n t ne c e s s a r i l y w or k t ha t w a y m y m i nd i s m or e w ha t i nt e r e s t s you? W he r e i s i t pu l l i ng you? A nd t r y t o r e a l l y w or k ha r d t o do t ha t S o I w or k r e a l l y ha r d a t m y m us i c a nd I w or k r e a l l y ha r d a t t hi s j ob a nd, a nd I t hi n k t hos e t hi ngs l e a d you t o t he ne xt t hi ng S B : A bs ol ut e l y. P W : I t hi nk you f i nd your s e l f you know you w a l k t hr ough a door a nd s udde nl y S B : A bs ol ut e l y. P W : Y ou r e a t t hi s ne xt pl a c e S o w he r e t ha t i s I m not c om pl e t e l y s ur e S B : B ut I ha ve t o t e l l you a nd t ha nk you you r e a l l y a r e he r e a t a n oppo r t une t i m e T hi s i s ki nd of a n e di t or i a l s t a t e m e nt i n a w a y, but t o t ha nk you f o r m a ki ng a di f f e r e nc e i n T a m pa t he w a y you ha ve i n t he pa s t I m e a n l ooki ng a t your w hol e l i f e a s you ve be e n he r e a nd he l pe d w i t h t he gr ow t h, a nd i t s w e r e ve r y l uc ky t ha t you c a m e ba c k. P W : W e l l I I a ppr e c i a t e t ha t A nd you know I t hi nk t he r e s s om e t hi ng, t he r e s j us t a l ot of pe opl e w ho, w ho c a r e a nd i t s i t s a c e r t a i n m i n ds e t I m e a n not e ve r ybody s om e pe opl e t he i r m i nds e t i s a bout do i ng bus i ne s s or do i ng ot he r t hi ngs a nd I t h i nk t ha t s t ha t s gr e a t T he w o r l d ne e ds a l l t ha t a nd t he r e s c e r t a i n pe opl e t ha t I f i nd m ys e l f w or ki ng w i t h a nd dr a w n t o w ho a r e a bout c om m u ni t y bui l d i ng i n s om e w a y S B : W e l l you P W : A nd t ha t j ou r na l i s m w a s c e r t a i nl y s om e w ha t a bout t ha t a nd S B : S ur e P W : I t hi nk e ve r yt hi ng i s s om e w ha t a bout a bout i t S B : Y ou ve ki nd of l e d up f or your w ho l e l i f e t o p e r ha ps t hi s poi nt i n t i m e P W : Y e a h, I t hi nk i n a w a y, ye a h A nd I w oul d ne ve r [ ha ve ] pr e di c t e d t ha t I w oul d ha ve be e n he r e B e c a us e i t s a n odd s ki l l s e t t ha t I ha ve B e i ng a bl e t o t a l k t o pe opl e r e l a t e t o pe opl e E ve n f r om hi gh s c hool on I r e a l i z e d I di dn t be l ong i n a ny one gr oup but I c oul d m ove pr e t t y e a s i l y f r om t hr o ugh a l l of t he m

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24 S B : A s ki l l P W : A nd t ha t w a s a s ki l l t ha t w or ke d w e l l i n j ou r n a l i s m a nd i t w or ks w e l l i n t hi s gove r nm e nt w or k S B : T ha t s g r e a t P W : A nd I us e d t o t h i nk t ha t w a s [ a ] p r obl e m but i t t ur ns out i t r e a l l y w a s a n a s s e t S B : T ha t s g r e a t P a ul W e l l I c a n t t ha nk you e nou gh, t hi s ha s j us t be e n gr e a t P W : I t w a s a t r e a t t o be a s ke d! S B : I r e a l l y f ound out a l ot a bout you t ha t pe r ha ps you know I di dn t e ve n r e a l i z e m ys e l f a nd hope f u l l y w i l l be r e c or de d f o r a l l pos t e r i t y. I know pe opl e w i l l e nj oy l i s t e ni ng t o t hi s P W : W e l l I hope s om e body doe s t ha t w oul d be go od! ( bot h l a ugh) P W : T ha nk you s o m uc h, S uz e t t e S B : T ha nk you T ape 2 e nds ; t ape 3 be gi ns I nt e r vi e w w i t h: P a ul W i l bor n I nt e r vi e w e d by: S uz e t t e B e r km a n L oc a t i on: T a m pa F L D a t e : O c t obe r 14, 2006 T r a ns c r i be d by: R e be c c a W i l l m a n A udi t E di t e d by: C yr a na W yke r S B : T oda y i s O c t obe r 4t h I a m s i t t i ng w i t h P a ul W i l bor n. W e r e doi ng our s e c ond i nt e r vi e w I t s t he ye a r 2006 A nd w e r e s i t t i ng a t 3401 S out h B e a c h D r i ve W e w oul d l i ke t o c ont i nue t a l ki ng a bout P a ul s s e c ond m a r r i a ge ; hi s f i r s t m a r r i a ge be i ng t o P a t F e nda w ho ha s a n e nt e r t a i nm e nt bus i ne s s [ a nd] s t i l l l i ve s i n T a m pa A nd t he y r e good f r i e nds a s a m a t t e r of f a c t P W : S t i l l m y a ge nt f or m y m us i c a l s t uf f S B : O h r i ght O h t ha t s gr e a t W e l l w he r e w e l e f t of f P a ul i s t ha t you ha d m e t E uge ni e i n L A a nd i t w a s he r w i s h t o go ba c k t o N e w O r l e a ns A nd I t hi nk you ha d a l i t t l e bi t t o s a y a bout t ha t

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25 P W : ( l a ughs ) S B : C oul d you e nl i ght e n us ? P W : W e w he n w e m e t t ha t w a s a l m os t t he f i r s t l i ne out of he r m out h. A nd s he ha d be e n, f e l t l i ke s he ha d be e n s om e w ha t s hi pw r e c ke d i n L A f o r a bout 12 ye a r s A nd a f t e r a bout s i x, s he ha d r e a l l y w a nt e d t o go ba c k t o N e w O r l e a ns S he s a i d, j us t got N e w O r l e a ns i n he r he a r t a nd s oul S t i l l ha s a hous e t he r e ha s ot he r p r ope r t y t he r e H e r e ve n S B : F a m i l y? P W : S om e f a m i l y, t hough, he r none o f he r s i s t e r s l i ve t he r e H e r m om a nd da d ha ve bot h pa s s e d a w a y. B ut t he y ve ke pt t he f a m i l y hous e M om c oul d c om e ba c k t om o r r ow a nd w oul d s t i l l be a bl e t o ge t dr e s s e d. Y ou know i t s j us t t hos e c r a z y s out he r n gi r l s you know A nd t he j oke t ha t I s ha r e w i t h m y br ot he r i n l a w i n L A i s t ha t t ha t w he n w e r e a l l de a d a nd gone t he s e t hr e e s i s t e r s a r e goi ng t o be l i vi ng i n t ha t hous e f i ght i ng ove r t he s i l ve r Y ou know a nd w a nde r i ng a r ound i n s om e ki nd of w e i r d T e nne s s e e W i l l i a m s s or t of S B : D o you vi s i t ? P W : O h, w e go a l l t he t i m e W e a c t ua l l y ke e p a c a r t he r e A nd S B : S o you go o f t e n. P W : S o w e go e ve r y a bout s om e t i m e s a bout onc e a m ont h S o i t s f un. A nd w e ve ha d l ot s be c a us e of t he s t or m t he y a c t ua l l y ha d a r e n t a l pr ope r t y t ha t got f l oode d S o s he s be e n ha vi ng t o go ba c k a l i t t l e m or e of t e n be c a us e [ of t ha t ] B ut i t s a l l w or ke d out S B : S t or m be i ng K a t r i na ? P W : B ut K a t r i na w a s a huge a huge t hi ng f or f or us A nd c e r t a i nl y f or N e w O r l e a ns A nd f or E uge ni e S o w e ve be e n goi ng a l ot m or e e ve n t ha n w e m i ght j us t t o r e a l l y s how s uppor t s pe nd m one y, ge t t he hous e f i xe d up a nd S B : I s i s t ha t how you got he r t o a gr e e t o not l i ve i n N e w O r l e a ns ? P W : S he S B : J us t by vi s i t i ng? P W : Y e a h, w e l l I c onvi nc e d he r t ha t t ha t S out hw e s t ba s i c a l l y pa i d you t o f l y f r om T a m pa t o N e w O r l e a ns I t w a s ve r y c he a p, a nd ve r y e a s y. A nd t ha t s he w oul d be i n ki nd of a a t ow n w he r e t he y s e r ve g r i t s w i t h br e a kf a s t A nd, a nd s o, a nd s he i t s r e a l l y w or ke d out w e l l f or he r B e c a us e s he s ha d gr e a t o ppor t uni t y he r e I t s ve r y e a s y t o ge t

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26 t he r e you know you c a n be t he r e i n a n hour a nd a ha l f T he f l i ght s a r e r e a l l y c he a p. A nd, a nd s o w e r e ba c k a nd f or t h a l ot A nd f or he r i t s be e n ki nd of t he be s t of bot h. S o s he s you know s he s t i l l r oot s f or t he S a i nt s S B : U h oh, oka y. P W : B ut you know but s he r e a l l y l ove s T a m pa S o s he s be e n ve r y ha ppy S B : H ow di d you ge t ba c k t o T a m pa ? W ha t br oug ht you ba c k? P W : W e m e t a nd be c a us e of he r pl a nni ng t o m ove w e m e t a nd t hr e e w e e ks l a t e r s he a nd he r s i s t e r a c t ua l l y d r ove he r c a r a c r os s c ount r y t o l e a ve i t i n N e w O r l e a ns i n a nt i c i pa t i on of m ov i ng. S o s he w a s i t w a s not j us t i dl e t a l k. A nd, but s he ha d, s he ha d a hous e t ha t w a s a be a ut i f ul ol d hi s t or i c S pa ni s h dupl e x. A nd dow ns t a i r s t he w om a n ha d j us t m ove d a w a y. A nd s he ha d be e n t he w i f e of F a m ous A m os t he c ooki e m a ke r A nd s he w a s a l i t t l e nut t y. A nd s he ha d f i na l l y m ove d t o be w i t h he r f a m i l y i n a not he r s t a t e A nd s he ha d be e n i n t ha t a pa r t m e nt s i nc e E uge ni e bought i t S o E uge ni e ha d ne ve r r e a l l y done a ny w or k. S he w e nt i n t he r e a nd i t w a s j us t a hor r or s how I t w a s one of t hos e pl a c e s t ha t w a s y ou know a c om pl e t e m e s s a nd s o s he w a s i t t ook he r t h r e e or f our m ont hs t o f i x i t up A nd i n t ha t t i m e I a s ke d he r f o r t h r e e m ont hs f or us t o de c i de how w e f e l t a bout e a c h ot h e r A nd a t t he e nd of a c t ua l l y w e nt on f or a bout f our be c a us e of t he t i m e but [ by] t he e nd of M a r c h, w e w e r e e nga ge d. S B : T ha t s p r e t t y f a s t P W : T ha t s p r e t t y f a s t S B : Y e a h. P W : B ut you know you know w ha t you w a nt A n d i t w a s I ki nd of s e ns e d i t e a r l y on but w e ga ve our s e l ve s s e ve r a l m ont hs a nd s he di d n t e ve n f i ni s h t he pl a c e unt i l t he n a nyw a y, s o S o w e w e r e e nga ge d r i ght a r ound E a s t e r t i m e l a t e M a r c h, e a r l y A pr i l A nd a r ound t ha t s a m e t i m e w a s t he e l e c t i on i n T a m pa S B : W hi c h e l e c t i on? P W : T he m a yor a l e l e c t i on. S B : O ka y. P W : I n w hi c h P a m I or i o w a s e l e c t e d m a yor A nd I ha d ne ve r w o r ke d i n gove r nm e nt i n m y l i f e I ha d a l w a ys be e n on t he out s i de l ooki ng i n a nd ne ve r t hough t I w oul d be on t he i ns i de l ooki ng out A nd, but s om e f ol ks i n T a m pa ha d be e n i nt e r e s t e d i n t r yi ng t o ge t m e ba c k. A nd I ha d ha d c onve r s a t i on w i t h a f r i e nd w h o w a s a a l s o a j ou r na l i s t w ho ha d l e f t T a m pa w ho t ol d m e P a m w a s r unni ng. I ha dn t e v e n he a r d a bout i t B e c a us e I w a s n t

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27 ke e pi ng t ha t c l os e i n t ouc h A nd a nd a t t he e nd of our c onve r s a t i on, s he s a i d, Y ou know P a m I or i o t ha t s s om e body I c oul d w or k f o r A nd I s a i d, O h, ye a h, ye a h A nd I hung up t he phone a nd w he n I hung up t he phone I t hought Y ou know t ha t s s om e body I c oul d w o r k f o r I r e a l l y, w e ha d a g r e a t r e s pe c t f o r e a c h ot he r H e r da d ha d be e n m y c ol l e ge pr of e s s or I ha d m e t he r a s a young w om a n, doi ng s om e w or k f or t he de m oc r a t i c pa r t y. S he ha d be e n doi ng t ha t s he c a m e i n, a nd I w a s a r e por t e r W e ha d m e t I w a t c he d he r ge t e l e c t e d a nd S B : W e r e you pe r s ona l f r i e nds ? N o? P W : O nl y pe r s ona l f r i e nds i n t he s e ns e t ha t w e w e r e on a f i r s t na m e ba s i s a nd I kne w t h a t s he w a s m a r r i e d, a nd I kne w s he ha d ki ds B ut I d ne ve r be e n t o he r hous e W e di dn t you know w e w e r e m or e p r of e s s i ona l f r i e n ds I t hi nk i n t ha t s e ns e T ha t you m e e t s om e one t hr ough pol i t i c s or a s a j our na l i s t I w oul d, w oul d s he w a s a pe r s on I w oul d w r i t e a bout A nd e s pe c i a l l y w he n, i n he r ne xt j ob a s t he S upe r vi s or o f E l e c t i ons w e t a l ke d a l ot be c a us e a s r e por t e r s you w oul d go do w n t he r e a nd f i nd out w ho ha d w ho w a s r unni ng, w ho ha d gi ve n m one y, t he r e w e r e l o t s of que s t i ons f or f or he r S o i t w a s i t w a s m o r e of a pr o f e s s i ona l r e l a t i ons hi p. W e r e a l l y e nj oye d e a c h ot he r s c om pa ny. A nd I w a s c l os e t o he r e nough t o s a y t ha t you know P l e a s e don t e ve r s i ng i n publ i c T hi ngs l i ke t ha t you know S B : ( l a ughs ) P W : A nd, but l i ke I s a y, i t w a s no t l i ke w e w e r e c hum s or e ve n you know f r i e nds s oc i a l f r i e nds S o but w ha t I ha d S B : W ha t m a de you t hi nk you c oul d w or k f o r he r ? P W : O ne I r e a l l y t hought t ha t s he w oul d a nd s he c e r t a i nl y pr ove d t ha t t o be t r ue t ha t s he w oul d i n e ve r y w a y be t r y t o do t he r i ght t hi n g, be p r of e s s i ona l t he r e w oul d ne ve r be a hi nt o f s c a nda l S he w oul d do gr e a t t hi ngs by t he c i t y t ha t you w oul d be pr oud t o s a y you w e r e a pa r t of he r a dm i ni s t r a t i on. A nd, a nd t ha t s not a knoc k on a nybody e l s e i n pol i t i c s but I di dn t f e e l t ha t w a y a bout a l ot of f ol ks A nd i t s not w he t he r t he y w oul d good, ba d o r di f f e r e nt I j us t f e l t l i ke s he w a s r e a l l y w oul d s e t a s t a nda r d. T ha t you d be pr oud t o s a y t ha t you ha d w or ke d f or he r A nd I w a s i nt e r e s t e d i n t he a r t s T ha t ha d a l w a ys be e n m y s i de l i ne I w a s not i nt e r e s t e d i n be i ng I w oul d not ha ve c om e t o be he r pr e s s guy. A nd s he w a s not i nt e r e s t e d i n m e a s t ha t a nyw a y. S he a l r e a dy ha d s om e body i n m i nd f or t ha t B ut L i nda S a ul S e na w ho w a s a c i t y c ounc i l pe r s on, a nd C ha i r m a n a t t ha t poi n t o f c i t y c ounc i l i s a good f r i e nd of m i ne A nd s he ha d t hought I w oul d be a good f i t f o r t he a dm i ni s t r a t i on. S o s he w a s s or t of a go be t w e e n. A nd m e nt i one d i t t o t he m a yor w ho w a s i nt r i gue d by t he i de a A nd F r a n D a ve n w ho w a s he r a dvi s or i n t he t r a ns i t i o n a nd i s s t i l l a n a dvi s or w ho w a s a l s o s om e one t ha t I c ove r e d, a nd kne w m e p r of e s s i ona l l y ve r y m uc h l i ke d t he i de a A nd s o w e s t a r t e d a l i t t l e c onve r s a t i on, a nd by I gue s s M a y, s he got e l e c t e d a t t he e nd of M a r c h, t ook of f i c e f i r s t e a r l y A pr i l ve r y e a r l y. A nd a r ound M a y w e put t oge t he r a j ob de s c r i pt i on a nd

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28 S B : S o you c a l l e d he r ? O r s he c a l l e d you? P W : I L i nda s poke t o he r s he r e s ponde d t o L i nd a Y e s I m i nt e r e s t e d i n he a r i ng f r om hi m S o I w r ot e he r a not e s or t o f s ugge s t i ng t hi n gs t ha t I w a s i n t e r e s t e d i n. A nd s he got ba c k. W e di d s om e e m a i l s a nd s om e phone c a l l s A nd s o, a nd a t t ha t P aus e i n r e c or di ng P W : A nd a t t ha t s a m e t i m e I be l i e ve i t w a s A pr i l I w a s n t he r e a t t he t i m e but i t w a s A pr i l or e a r l y M a y. A n a ut hor a nd a n e c onom i s t n a m e d R i c ha r d F l or i da c a m e t o T a m pa H e ha d w r i t t e n a book c a l l e d, T he R i s e of t he C r e at i v e C l as s A nd he w a s a bi g hi t he r e H e dr e w a f u l l hous e t o t he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r e xc us e m e S B : A t F e r gus on? Y e a h. P W : A nd a t F e r gus on H a l l s o you know bi g c r ow d t ur ns out A nd hi s m e s s a ge i s a l ot of t hi ngs but ba s i c a l l y i t s s or t o f c r e a t i vi t y a nd e c onom i c de ve l opm e nt go t oge t he r A nd c i t i e s t ha t r e a l l y w or k on t he i r c r e a t i ve s i de a r t s c r e a t i ve pe opl e r e t a i ni ng t a l e nt a l l t ha t s t uf f w oul d be t he c i t i e s t ha t t hr i ve i n t he f ut ur e T a m pa w a s a t a poi n t w he r e t ha t r e a l l y r e s ona t e d w i t h pe opl e B e c a us e w e f e l t I t hi nk pe opl e f e l t l i ke t he y ha dn t qui t e done e nough i n t ha t a r e a W e c oul d do m or e S o R i c ha r d F l o r i da a c t ua l l y m e t w i t h t he m a yor a nd s he w a s t he n t a l ki ng t o m e a nd I w a s pi t c hi ng s or t of a n a r t s t hi ng. A nd s o t he t w o ki nd of c a m e t oge t he r a nd s he i t w a s r e a l l y f r om he r c a m e up w i t h t hi s i de a o f a C r e a t i ve I ndus t r i e s pos i t i on. T ha t I d be s or t of a l i a i s on t o a r t a nd a r t i s t s B ut a l s o w i t h s or t of a n e c onom i c de ve l opm e nt j ob a s w e l l A nd, a nd s o w e ki nd of t ha t w a s r e a l l y e x c i t i ng t o m e S B : W ho, w ho c a m e up w i t h t he i de a of T a m pa C i t y of t he A r t s ? P W : T ha t ha ppe ne d be f or e I got t he r e S B : O ka y. P W : T he t he m a yo r ha d be e n t he r e ha d be e n a s e s s i on a t a t T a m pa T he a t r e w he r e t he m a yor a l c a ndi da t e s s poke A nd i t t he a r t s c om m uni t y s or t o f s pons or e d I t hi nk, T he B us i ne s s C om m i t t e e f or t he A r t s s pons or e d i t A nd L e ona r d S t one w a s one of t he pe opl e i n t he a udi e nc e a nd he a s ke d t he m a yor a bout t he a r t s a nd a nu m be r o f ot he r pe opl e w e r e t he r e A nd a nd t he m a yor r e a l l y pl e dge d t o m a ke T a m pa i f s he w a s e l e c t e d, a C i t y of t he A r t s A nd you know i t s k i nd of one o f t ho s e t i t l e s t ha t you ki nd of w i s h m a ybe you ha d s a i d s om e t hi ng ot he r t ha n, C i t y of t he A r t s be c a us e i t s a l m os t l i ke T he C i t y on t he H i l l o r s om e t hi ng B ut but s he r e a l l y w a s c om m i t t e d t o doi ng t ha t a nd s o I t hi nk t ha t s one r e a s on I got hi r e d. A nd t he y c r e a t e d a po s i t i on t ha t di dn t e xi s t be f o r e S o I gue s s a r ound, s om e t i m e i n M a y a nd I don' t r e a l l y ha ve t he da t e i n m y m i nd c l e a r l y, but i t w a s M a y of 2003, I a gr e e d t o t a ke t h e j ob. I 'm w o r ki ng a t s t i l l w or ki ng a t t he A s s oc i a t e d P r e s s a s a s t a t e c or r e s ponde nt w i t h C a l i f or ni a A nd, a nd E u ge ni e a nd I

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29 t a l ke d, a nd s he t hi nks t h i s w oul d be a good t hi ng a nd, a nd s he l i ke s t he i de a a nd i t ge t s he r a gua r a nt e e d ba c k t o t he s out h. S he 's a t l e a s t g e t t i ng m uc h c l os e r t o N e w O r l e a ns S B : Y e s P W : A nd i f f o r s om e r e a s on I t ur n out t o be a bi g l os e r s he w oul dn't ha ve s o f a r t o go t o g e t t he r e S B : ( l a ughs ) P W : B ut a t t h i s poi nt w e 'r e e nga ge d, a nd s o w e a g r e e t o m ove t o T a m pa pl a n a w e ddi ng, a nd [ I ] t a ke t hi s j ob A nd w e t a ke [ i t ] know i ng i t w a s n't goi ng t o ha ppe n onc e I s t a r t e d W e t ook s i x w e e ks of f A nd w e nt t o H a w a i i a nd S B : B ut you, you got m a r r i e d i n T a m pa ? P W : W e di dn't ge t m a r r i e d, w e di dn't ge t m a r r i e d u nt i l a l m os t a ye a r l a t e r S B : O h, oka y P W : J us t be c a us e of a l l t he m ovi ng S B : O ka y. P W : A nd a l l t ha t s t uf f W e ha d t o p l a n a w e ddi ng S B : B ut i n T a m pa P W : W e g ot m a r r i e d i n T a m pa S B : Y e a h. P W : I n 2004 A pr i l o f 2004 B ut t he w e t ook a m a gni f i c e nt l ong t r i p, a l l t h r ough C a l i f or ni a a nd t o H a w a i i a nd t he n w e d r ove a c r os s c ount r y a nd t ook a r e a l l y ni c e c r os s c ount r y dr i ve t o N e w O r l e a ns S pe nt s e ve r a l da ys t he r e a nd t he n S B : T e r r i f i c P W : C a m e he r e S B : T ha t 's t e r r i f i c P W : A nd you know i t 's be e n gr e a t S he 's r e a l l y l o ve d i t a nd S B : W ha t doe s s he do?

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30 P W : S he a nd I di dn't know t hi s a bout he r be c a us e s he w a s n't doi ng i t a c t i ve l y w he n I w a s t he r e W he n I w a s i n L A s he w a s s t i l l w or ki n g a t be i ng a n a c t r e s s B ut s he ha d, f or m a ny ye a r s a l s o be e n a t e a c he r of a c t i ng A nd ha d t a ught s om e s e m i f a m ous f ol ks a nd S B : L i ke w ho? P W : I w a nt t o s a y J e s s i c a A l ba t hi s f a m ous ve r y f a m ous A l ba 's t he l a s t na m e S B : S ur e P W : I m a y be w r ong be c a us e I 'm not s o good on m y c ur r e nt young s t a r s B ut t hi s w om a n's l i ke one of t he hot t e s t s t a r s ha d be e n a y oung s t ude nt of he r s A nd s e ve r a l ot he r s A nd s he s t i l l poi nt s t o pe opl e i n m ov i e s a nd, O h, t ha t w a s m y s t ude nt o r t ha t w a s m y c o w or ke r S B : T ha t 's gr e a t P W : S o w e a r r i ve d he r e a t a gr e a t t i m e be c a us e t he P a t e l C ons e r va t or y w a s i n t he pr oc e s s of I don't t hi nk i t ha d c om e out o f t he gr ound ye t but i t w a s r e a l l y ha d be e n, w a s s e t a nd w a s i n t he pr oc e s s of be i ng b ui l t I gue s s A nd t he y w e r e s t a r t i ng [ a ] pl a n W ha t w e r e t he y goi ng t o i nc l ude t he r e ? A nd s o s he m e t W e nd y L e i gh, w ho's a f r i e nd o f m i ne a nd w ho w a s goi ng t o r un t he s c hool A nd i n t he i r c on ve r s a t i on s t a r t e d t a l ki ng a bout t he s e c l a s s e s t ha t s he di d a nd t he y l i ke d t he i de a s o m uc h t ha t t he y r e a l l y s he s t a r t e d t e a c hi ng be f or e t he s c hool w a s f i n i s he d. T he y s t a r t e d, s he w a s t e a c hi ng i n t he l obby of t he J a e b T he a t e r S B : O h m y go odne s s P W : A nd s he w a s one of t he f i r s t t e a c he r s t he y hi r e d. S o s he S B : S he e nj oys i t ? P W : S he e nj oys i t I t 's a pa r t t i m e pos i t i on, w hi c h s he l i ke s A nd s he S B : W ha t w ha t c l a s s e s doe s s h e t e a c h? P W : T he y'r e c a l l e d on c a m e r a a c t i ng A nd s he t e a c he s a dul t s a nd younge r ki ds A nd i t 's how t o a udi t i on f o r c om m e r c i a l s how t o how do you s he doe s n't s he 's not a s t a ge a c t r e s s S he 's gr e a t on s t a ge but t ha t 's not he r s pe c i a l t y. S B : S he 's s he 's be e n i n f i l m s ? P W : S he 's be e n i n f i l m s on T V i n c om m e r c i a l s s he 's done a l l of t ha t s t uf f t ha t i nvol ve s a c a m e r a T ha t 's he r ba c kgr o und a s a m ode l a nd t he n s he s be e n i n m ovi e s A nd s he s t udi e d, a nd s he 's a gr e a t na t ur a l t e a c he r s o

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31 S B : S he 's s t r i ki ng l ooki ng P W : Y e a h. A nd s he r e a l l y S B : S he r e a l l y i s be a ut i f ul P W : S he ha s t hi s f oc us w he n s he doe s t hi ngs a nd a s a t e a c he r t ha t 's s o gr e a t be c a us e t he ki ds j us t f e e l l i ke t he r e 's t hi s c onne c t i on be c a us e s he r e a l l y ge t s e xc i t e d a bout i t s o. S he 's a gr e a t t e a c he r a nd a na t ur a l a nd t he y l ove he r S o t ha t 's w ha t s he 's doi ng. S B : T ha t 's t e r r i f i c W e l l how do you l i ke you r j ob w i t h t he c i t y? W ha t w ha t ha ve you e xpe r i e nc e d f or i ns t a nc e w i t h t he T a m pa M us e um of A r t ? I t hi n k i t s c om m on know l e dge t he r e ha ve be e n i s s ue s w i t h t he m a yor w i t h t he c i t y, w i t h c i t y c ounc i l w i t h t he pub l i c w i t h pe r ha ps t he M us e um B oa r d m os t of a l l P W : Y e a h, i t 's be e n a you know i t 's c e r t a i nl y be e n a S B : H a ve you be e n i nvol ve d? P W : I ha ve n't be e n a s di r e c t l y i nvol ve d a s I t hough t I m i ght be w he n I c a m e he r e A nd I w a s a l i t t l e c onc e r ne d a bout t ha t a t f i r s t be c a us e I w a s w onde r i ng w hy t he y w e r e s or t o f ke e pi ng a l i t t l e bu f f e r be t w e e n m e a nd a l s o ou r P u bl i c A r t D i r e c t or R obi n N i gh a nd t he M us e um B ut t ur ns out t he y'r e m uc h s m a r t e r t ha n w e w e r e i n t ha t t he m a yor di dn't w a nt us t o be pul l e d i nt o t ha t A nd a s a s t hi ngs un f ol de d, i t w or ke d out w e l l i n t h a t w e w e r e w e w e r e not s or t of s e e n a s one pl a ye r on one s i de of t he ot he r W he n I c a m e t o t a ke t he j ob I w a s a s s um i ng t ha t t he V i nol y P r oj e c t w a s c om i ng out of t he gr ound a t s om e poi nt s oon. A nd r e a l l y d i d a l ot of r e s e a r c h on i t t a l ki ng t o E m i l y a n d doi ng i t e ve n f r om a f a r B e c a us e I j us t a s s um e d t ha t w oul d be t he bi g t hi ng t ha t w a s ha ppe ni ng. S B : S ur e P W : B ut you ha ve t o l ook a t t he hi s t or y o f T a m pa s om e w ha t A nd i t 's a t hi ng t ha t c a n be de ba t e d a l ot of w a ys W e 've done s om e i nc r e di bl e t hi ngs t ha t t ha t di dn' t ne c e s s a r i l y pa y f or t he m s e l ve s f or a pr e t t y l ong t i m e S B : L i ke w ha t ? P W : L i ke t he F l o r i da A qua r i um S B : O ka y. P W : W hi c h w a s a s e e n a s t hi s e c onom i c de ve l op m e nt t ool E ve r ybody's doi ng a n a qua r i um S o w e pr og r e s s i ve c i t i e s w i l l d o a bi g a qua r i um W e l l a bout t i m e w e got our s f i ni s he d, t he a qua r i u m bus i ne s s ki nd of f e l l o f f a l i t t l e bi t a nd t he t he w a y t he num be r s

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32 w e r e w or ke d out w e r e not s us pi c i ous j us t di dn't d i dn't t he e xpe c t a t i ons di dn't a dd up t o t he r e a l i t y. A nd t he c i t y i s S B : S t uc k. P W : O n t he hook f o r a l ot o f m one y, c ont i nue s s t i l l e ve n t hough t he a qua r i um i s doi ng m uc h be t t e r S a m e t hi ng ha ppe ne d w i t h C e nt r o Y b or B ui l d t hi s bi g pr oj e c t t he c i t y unde r w r i t e s i t a nd t he b i l l c om e s due a nd t hi s m a yor c a m e i n a nd I 'm not s a yi ng t hi s i s ne c e s s a r i l y ba d, be c a us e t he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r w a s c e r t a i nl y one o f t hos e c a s e s I n w hi c h, f o r w e s t i l l pa y a pr e t t y good bi l l t o m a ke t ha t bui l di ng, t o ha ve t he m t he r e A nd f or f i ve ye a r s o r s o, t he y r e a l l y s t r uggl e d. T he y w e r e i n t he r e d i n t he i r ope r a t i ng i n a bi g w a y, a nd S B : T he P e r f P W : T a m pa B a y P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r S B : R i ght P W : S o, but w e w e r e pr ove n s m a r t t o ha ve done i t S o t hi s m a yor c om e s i nt o of f i c e w i t h a l ot of bi l l s c om i ng due F or c ul t ur a l a nd t he s e t yp e s of f a c i l i t i e s A nd s he 's a ve r y pr a gm a t i c w om a n w ho l ooks a t t he bo t t om l i ne A nd s he doe s not w a nt t o be one w ho l e a ve s a l e ga c y t o he r s uc c e s s or of H e y you f i gu r e out how t o S B : O f de bt P W : S ol ve t hi s pr obl e m S B : Y e a h. P W : A nd I t hi nk s he w a s ge nui ne l y c onc e r ne d w h e n you l ook a t t he c i t y w a s c om m i t t i ng t hi s m uc h t o t he m us e um a bout a m i l l i on buc ks a ye a r A s i de f r om w ha t w e w e r e goi ng t o gi ve t he m t o bui l d i t a nd t hi ngs l i ke t ha t A nd t h e budge t w a s goi ng t o t r i pl e t o upgr a de t he m u s e um S B : Y i ke s P W : A nd w he n you r e a l l y l ook a t i t i n r e a l i t y w i l l t he r e be t r i p l e t he a m ount of pe opl e pa yi ng t o c om e ? W i l l you ha ve g r ow n i t t ha t m uc h? M a ybe t he f i r s t ye a r but a f t e r pe opl e ha ve s e e n t he bui l di ng, w i l l i t f a l l ba c k? A nd I t hi n k s he w a s r e a l l y c onc e r ne d a nd s t a r t e d de m a ndi ng s om e ha r de r num be r s A nd r e a l l y s t a r t e d hol di ng s om e f e e t t o t he f i r e t ha t ha d not be e n ne c e s s a r i l y he l d t he r e be f o r e G r e c o. G r e a t guy, f r i e nd of m i ne w a s a he l i ke d t o s e e t hi ngs ha ppe n i n c onc r e t e L e t 's m a ke i t ha ppe n a nd t he n w e l l f i gu r e i t out f i gu r e i t out l a t e r A nd you ge t a l o t of t hi ngs done t ha t w a y. A nd he di d a l ot o f good t hi ngs B ut he a l s o ha d a l ot of b i l l s c om i ng due S o

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33 S B : W ho, w ho w a s s he de m a ndi ng of ? P W : W e l l I t hi nk t he t he m us e um boa r d a nd t he m us e um di r e c t or a nd j us t s or t of l e s s I s t hi s goi ng t o w or k? A r e w e S B : S ur e P W : C a n you r e a l l y c a n w e r e a l l y do t hi s ? B e c a us e no m a t t e r w ha t a nyone s a ys a bout gua r a nt e e s or pe opl e s i gni ng w i l l pl e dge s or t hi ngs W he n a l l i s s a i d a n d done t he c i t y's on t he hook. S B : A bs ol ut e l y. P W : A nd s o, s o S B : W e l l j us t hi s t or i c a l l y i t m i ght be good t o ke e p t hi s i n pe r s pe c t i ve W he r e do w e s t a nd r i ght now ? P W : W e l l S B : W i t h t he m us e um P W : I t hi nk S B : F r om t he c i t y's poi nt of vi e w P W : U l t i m a t e l y I t hi nk i t w a s not j us t t he m a yor 's c a ut i ons but t he ba nks ha d a l ot ha d que s t i ons A nd s o ul t i m a t e l y, e ve n t hough t he c i t y I t hi nk t he c i t y, i n t e r m s of t he c om m uni t y di d r e s pond i n l ot s of g r e a t pl e dge s A nd a l ot of m one y w a s pl e dge d t o t hi s pr oj e c t T ha t t he w hol e t hi ng s or t of f e l l dow n und e r t he w e i ght of i t A nd a t t he s a m e t i m e bui l di n g c os t s w e r e s kyr oc ke t i ng. W e w e r e i n t he m i ddl e of t hi s bubbl e of c ons t r uc t i on w he r e e ve r ybody, e ve r y pi e c e o f dr y w a l l w a s w or t h t r i pl e w ha t i t s h oul d be S o, s o ul t i m a t e l y t he ba nks di dn' t gua r a nt e e t he l oa n a s a nd t he l oa n di dn't ha ppe n. T ha t pr oj e c t s t oppe d. E ve r yone 's l ooki ng a r ound f or a ne w p l a c e t he m a yo r s ugge s t e d one di dn't l i ke pe opl e di dn't l i ke i t W e t r i e d a not he r t ha t w a s t i m i ng w a s w r ong a nd t he m one y w a s w r ong. A nd now i t 's e n de d up i n w ha t s e e m s t o be t he boa r d ha s a ppr ove d, t he c i t y ha s a ppr ove d, t he y r e out s e a r c hi ng f or a n a r c hi t e c t i n w ha t w i l l be a be a ut i f ul s pot on on t he r i ve r i n w ha t 's goi ng t o be a m a gni f i c e nt ne w a r t s pa r k f o r l a c k of a be t t e r w a y t o de s c r i be i t I t w i l l be t he pl a c e w he r e t he or c he s t r a pl a ys i t s out door c onc e r t s w he r e w e 'l l ha ve f e s t i va l s S B : T ha t 's P W : A nd t he m us e um w i l l f r ont on t ha t S B : I t 's r i gh t a ga i ns t t he P oe G a r a ge

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34 P W : R i ght a ga i n s t t he P oe G a r a ge a nd ne xt t o t he c hi l dr e n's m us e um S o you'l l ha ve s om e hope f ul l y s om e s yne r gy i n t ha t A nd a nd I don't s e e a ny obs t a c l e s a he a d of us t he r e t he n. T he c i t y m one y pl e dge d t he m us e um b oa r d ha s s a i d, Y e s A nd t he y' r e goi ng t o bui l d i n a f e nc e S B : T ha t 's e xc i t i ng. P W : A nd w e 've got e nough m one y I t hi n k, t o ge t i t done S B : T ha t 's e xc i t i ng. P W : S o S B : D oe s t he c i t y ha ve pl a ns f or a c t i vi t i e s or a ny y ou know r e l a t e d f unc t i ons t o t o he l p t he m us e um ? H ow i s t he R i ve r w a l k c om i ng? A nd h ow doe s i t r e l a t e ? P W : W e l l I t h i nk t he p l a c e m e nt i s goi ng t o be i nc r e di bl e B e c a us e a s i t i s w he r e t he m us e um s i t s t oda y, w hi c h w i l l be gone w he n t hi s n e w t he y be c om e pa r t of t he pa r k I t 's be e n ki nd of on i t 's ow n I t 's be e n s or t o f i s ol a t e d t he r e S o t hi s ne w bui l d i ng w i l l be pa r t of your bi g e ve nt s pa r k t ha t w i l l be a m a gni f i c e nt R i ve r w a l k t ha t c onne c t s t he e nt i r e dow nt ow n w he r e pe opl e c a n j og a nd w a l k, a nd t he r e w i l l be publ i c a r t a l ong t he r e T he r e w i l l be j us t a c r os s t he e xpa ns e of t he pa r k w i l l be a bi g ope n a i r r e s t a ur a nt w i t h out doo r di ni ng a nd r i ve r f r ont di ni ng you'l l S B : I t 's e xc i t i ng. P W : B e c onne c t e d c l os e r t o t he P e r f o r m i ng A r t s C e nt e r W e 'r e c r e a t i ng s or t o f a c ul t ur a l hub t he r e A nd I t hi nk i t 's pr oba bl y t he be s t s ol ut i o n t ha t c oul d be r e a c he d f o r e ve r ybody S B : D o you, w ha t i s t he publ i c c ons e ns us ? W ha t w ha t [ doe s ] t he m a yo r 's of f i c e t hi nk a bout t hi s l a t e s t de c i s i on? P W : W e l l I i t s e e m s t o be S B : P os i t i ve ? P W : I t s e e m s t o be pos i t i ve A nd I t hi nk I don t t h i nk you ge t i n t r oubl e a s a n e l e c t e d of f i c i a l l ooki ng out f or t he publ i c dol l a r A nd I t h i nk i n t hi s c a s e i t c om e s t he r e a r e s om e c e r t a i nl y s om e pe opl e on t he boa r d w ho a r e ups e t w i t h how t hi ngs c a m e out B ut but a t t he bo t t om l i ne you w i l l e nd up w i t h I t hi nk a ne w m us e um a nd a g r e a t s pot a nd t he c i t y w on't be on t he hook f or qu i t e a s bi g a bi l l pot e nt i a l l y. A nd I t hi nk w oul d [ i t ] ha ve be e n ni c e t o ha ve ha d a m us e um ope ni ng l a t e r t hi s ye a r ? Y e a h. T ha t w oul d ha ve be e n gr e a t S B : S ur e

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35 P W : A nd I 'm s or r y t ha t t ha t yo u know t ha t w e l os t a di r e c t or W e br ought i n a ne w one I t 's be e n, i t 's not be e n a n e a s y t i m e A nd a s I s a y, I ve be e n, now i n r e t r os pe c t g r a t e f ul t ha t t ha t w a s not m y c ha r ge T ha t m y c ha r ge w a s e l s e w he r e S B : S ur e I t 's a n e xc i t i ng t i m e P W : Y e a h. S B : I t r e a l l y i s A nd you' r e r i ght i n t he m i ddl e of i t P W : I t 's be e n a n e xc i t i ng t i m e I t hi nk i t 's a n e xc i t i ng t i m e i n F l or i da A nd I r e a l l y t h i nk, c om i ng f r om C a l i f or ni a i t s how e d m e a l o t F l or i d a i s i n a I t hi nk, a bi g t r a ns i t i on A nd w e 'r e c a t c h i ng up i n a l ot of w a ys t o ot he r s t a t e s a nd, a nd w e 'r e ha ve be e n be c om e s uc h a pow e r hous e of a s t a t e i n m a ny w a ys S B : I n t e r m s of t he a r t s ? P W : I t hi nk f i na l l y i n t e r m s o f t he a r t s ye s S B : O ka y. P W : B ut i t 's you know i t 's be e n a S B : H ow I m e a n, I ha ve t o t ouc h upon t he T a m p a S t P e t e r s bur g pe r s pe c t i ve c onne c t i on. T he r e 's a l ot s a i d a bout how f a r a he a d S t P e t e r s bur g i s i n t e r m s o f de ve l opi ng t he a r t s Y e a r s a go, w ho w oul d ha ve t h ought T a m pa w a s pe r c e i ve d a s be i ng t ha t m uc h f u r t he r ? H ow how do you t hi nk pe opl e a r e pe r c e i vi ng t hi s ? P W : W e l l I t h i nk, I a l w a ys l ook a t t he s e t hi ngs a s e vol ut i ona r y i n a w a y a nd t ha t t hi ngs ha ppe n i n di f f e r e nt t i m e s i n d i f f e r e nt pl a c e s I m e a n, T a m pa ha d a pe r i od w he r e c l e a r l y, i t w a s s or t of t he c e nt e r of t he a r t s A nd i f you r e a l l y l ook a t i t obj e c t i ve l y t he r e 's s t i l l s o m uc h m or e t ha t ha ppe ns he r e W ha t m a ke s S t P e t e r s bur g s o w onde r f u l a nd I m a huge f a n a nd [ a m ] t he r e a l ot i s t ha t w ha t t he y ha ve i s i n s or t of a c om pa c t a r e a A nd s o w i t hi n a f e w m i l e s i n a ny di r e c t i on, you c a n hi t a l l o f t he i r a r t s r e s our c e s A nd t he r e 's a c e nt e r t he r e A nd i t w a s a r e s or t t ow n, a nd i t 's on t he w a t e r I t 's pr e t t y A nd one of our i s s ue s i n T a m pa 's a l w a ys be e n, w e 'r e a l m os t a l i t t l e w e 'r e not s o bi g, but w e 'r e t oo bi g. A nd s o t h i ngs a r e ki nd of s p r e a d out A nd bui l di ng a c r i t i c a l m a s s i n T a m pa ha s be e n m o r e di f f i c ul t A nd t he dow nt o w n ha s be e n s l ow t o de ve l op r e s i de nt i a l A nd S t P e t e r s bur g a l w a ys ha d r e s i de nt i a l i n t he i r dow nt ow n. E s pe c i a l l y a r ound t he pe r i phe r y of t he i r do w nt ow n. S B : I s t ha t one of t he t hi ngs R i c ha r d F l or i da t a l ke d a bout ? P W : ( N ods Y e s )

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36 S B : T he r e s i de nt i a l a s pe c t ? P W : Y e a h. A nd I t hi nk, you know I t hi nk w e w e w e nt w e 'r e i n a t r a ns i t i on f r o m f or t he f i r s t t i m e t he s t a t i s t i c s a r e s how i ng t ha t a m a j o r i t y of pe opl e pr e f e r a n ur ba n r e s i de nc e ove r t he s ubur b r e s i de nc e S B : F or t he f i r s t t i m e ? P W : F or t he f i r s t t i m e A nd t ha t 's l ooki ng a t t he bi g pi c t ur e I t 's l i ke ba by boom e r s r e t i r i ng, young p r of e s s i ona l s S B : T hi s i s ba s e d on s t udi e s ? P W : B a s e d on s t udi e s f r om t he hom e bui l de r s a nd t hos e f ol ks w ho a r e i n t ha t bus i ne s s S B : I nt e r e s t i ng. P W : T ha t 's you'r e not s e e i ng t he s e t hi ngs pop up be c a us e t he y t hi nk i t 's a good i de a T he y'r e s e e i ng i t pop up be c a us e t ha t 's w ha t t he m a r ke t i s l ooki ng f or A n d s o S B : H ow do s t udi e s r e f l e c t on t he a r t s ? A r e pe opl e a s ki ng t ha t t he a r t s be pa r t of t hi s dow nt ow n s c e ne ? W ha t c om e s f i r s t ? P W : I t hi nk t he c e nt e r s of c i t i e s ha ve a l w a ys be e n w he r e t he a r t s ne e d t o be t o bl os s om A nd t ha t 's s or t of w he r e pe opl e ne e d t o go I m e a n t ha t 's w hy S B : C ongr e ga t e P W : C i t i e s ne e d l ook a t N e w Y o r k C i t y, I m e a n, you know S B : A bs ol ut e l y. P W : S o m uc h t ha t ha ppe ns t he r e c oul d ha ppe n e l s e w he r e but t he a r t s a r e r e a l f oc us e d. I n s o m a ny c i t i e s t ha t 's w he r e you put your a r t s a nd your e nt e r t a i nm e nt s t uf f S o i s i t w ha t 's t he c hi c ke n or t he e gg? I m e a n, w e 've got t h e a r t s i n dow nt ow n I t 's now w e but w e 've ne e de d t he r e s i de nt i a l t o a c t ua l l y ha ve t he f o ot t r a f f i c t o m a ke i t f e e l l i ke a pl a c e A nd S B : W oul d you s a y t he r e 's a c om pr e he ns i ve pl a n i n pl a c e w i t h t hi s de ve l opm e nt ? O r i s one t hi ng de ve l opi ng ove r t he ot he r a nd t he ot he r ( i na udi bl e ) P W : W e l l you know w e 'r e i n a f r e e m a r ke t e c ono m y s o i t 's ve r y ha r d t o put a gi a nt pl a n i n pl a c e be c a us e t he de ve l ope r s a r e goi ng t o d o w ha t t he m a r ke t t e l l s t he m T he c i t y ha s s om e i nf l ue nc e t he r e but not a l ot I m e a n, you kn ow w e c a n t a l k a bout z oni ng a nd

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37 t hi ngs l i ke t ha t but dow nt ow n i s de ve l opi ng be c a u s e t he m a r ke t i s de m a ndi ng r e s i de nt i a l A nd hope f ul l y w e c ont i nue t o do t ha t f o r a w hi l e S B : D o you, how do you i n t e r a c t w i t h bus i ne s s ? W ha t i s your o f f i c i a l t i t l e ? P W : M y t i t l e i s C r e a t i ve I ndus t r i e s M a na ge r A n d I r e a l l y s e e m y r ol e a s i nt e r a c t i ng a l ot w i t h bus i ne s s a nd be i ng t he guy w ho r e pr e s e nt s t he a r t s a nd c r e a t i ve c om m uni t y but i s a bl e t o go t o t he s a m e m e e t i ng w i t h t he guys i n s ui t s a nd be t he s ui t t ha t r e p r e s e nt s a l l t he s e f ol ks w ho a r e n't w e a r i ng s ui t s ne c e s s a r i l y. S B : O ka y. P W : A nd, a nd w e 've done a l ot o f w or k w i t h t he C ha m be r of C om m e r c e T he y've be c om e bi g pa r t ne r s i n t hi ngs t ha t w e do a nd w e 'r e s e ndi ng now our a r t s pe opl e on t he i r t r a de m i s s i ons W e s e nt f our o f t he m t o M e xi c o S B : T e r r i f i c P W : A s pa r t o f a t r a de m i s s i on, a nd t he y S B : T ha t 's gr e a t P W : M a de a r t s c ont a c t s W e 'r e s e ndi ng t w o t o B r a z i l m a ybe m o r e S B : E xc i t i ng P W : A nd s o t he y'r e s e e i ng us now a s how t ha t he l ps t he m A nd e s pe c i a l l y w i t h L a t i n A m e r i c a n t r a de t he a r t s a nd c ul t ur e a r e a bi g pa r t of ge t t i ng t o know e a c h ot he r A m e r i c a ns w a nt t o go dow n a nd s a y, L e t 's do bus i ne s s W e l l t he y w a nt you t o r e s pe c t t he i r c ul t ur e a nd unde r s t a nd a nd c e l e br a t e i t A nd s o w e 'r e he l pi ng t he m w i t h t ha t S B : W ha t t ype of e c onom i c i m pa c t w oul d you s a y t he a r t s a r e m a ki ng on t ha t ba s i s ? P W : W e l l t ha t 's one of t he m e s s a ge s t ha t w e 'r e t r y i ng t o ge t out be c a us e w e 've ha d a r e put a t i on, qui t e j us t i f i a bl y of be i ng s or t of a s por t s pl a c e A nd F l o r i da pe opl e c om e t o F l or i da be c a us e t he y w a nt out doo r a c t i vi t i e s T he y c om e f or t hi s be a ut i f ul w a t e r f r ont A nd w e 've de ve l ope d pr of e s s i ona l s por t s t e a m s a n d t he y've r e a l l y pu t us on t he m a p. B ut w ha t pe opl e don't a l s o t he dr u m w e t r y t o be a t i s t o s a y, L ook a t t he r e a l nu m be r s T he r e a r e m or e pe opl e [ t ha t ] pa i d m one y t o s i t do w n a t T he T a m pa B a y P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r l a s t ye a r t ha n pa i d m one y t o s i t d ow n i n R a ym ond J a m e s S t a di um S B : W ow P W : A nd R a ym ond J a m e s i s a bi g pl a c e S B : S ur e i s

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38 P W : A nd w e s or t of ha ng our ha t on t ha t W e l l pe opl e pa y bi g m one y t o go t o t he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r a s w e l l A nd t ha t doe s n't c ount t he pe opl e w ho w e nt t o R ut h E c ke r d a nd w ho w e nt t o t he M a ha f f e y, a nd t he pe o pl e w ho w e nt t o c onc e r t s a nd s how s a nd S B : A l l t he ot he r e ve nt s P W : T he a t r e A nd o t he r pl a c e s T he bus i ne s s c om m uni t y f o r t he a r t s e ve r y f i ve ye a r s doe s a s ur ve y, a nd, a nd i t 's a huge you know I t hi nk t he num be r i s i n you know t he 500 m i l l i on dol l a r s i m pa c t e ve r y ye a r of t he a r t s S B : I nc r e di bl e P W : A nd j obs S o T ape 3, s i de 1 e nds ; s i de 2 be gi ns P W : B e c a us e t ha t 's S B : T hi s i s you r e xpe r t i s e P W : T hi s i s w ha t w e 've r e a l l y be e n w or ki ng on a n d i t 's i t 's k i nd of be e n qui e t be hi nd t he s c e ne s w or k t o r e a l l y w i n pe opl e ove r T o kno w I m e a n, i f you l ooke d a t a pl a c e w ha t C hi c a go ha s done a nd w ha t N e w Y or k ha s d one i n t e r m s o f w hy do pe opl e go t o vi s i t t he r e ? T he y go t he r e f or a r t s a nd c ul t ur e T he y g o t he r e f or t o s e e t hi s i nt e r e s t i ng pl a c e be c a us e t he y know t he y c a n. T he r e w i l l be m us i c i n t he pa r k T he r e w i l l be t h i s gr e a t you know t hi ng t ha t C hi c a go bui l t M i l l e nni um P a r k, a nd i t 's pr ogr a m m e d e ve r y ni ght of t he s um m e r I t s i nc r e di bl e S B : O h m y. P W : A nd t he y ha ve t ur ne d c ul t u r a l t ou r i s m i nt o t hi s huge e c onom i c e ngi ne A nd w e s pe nt a l l s or t s of e f f or t t o ge t a S upe r B ow l [ A ] gr e a t t hi ng! I 'm f or i t W e s pe nt a l l t hi s e f f or t t o ge t l i ke a bi g s por t s ga m e dow n he r e B i g s por t s ga m e f ol ks c om e i n, t he y s e e t he ga m e t he y s pe nd s om e m one y, o f f t he y go. B u t i f you'r e i n C hi c a go or i n N e w Y o r k or i n A us t i n T e xa s or s om e pl a c e t ha t 's know n f o r c ul t ur e pe opl e c om e e ve r y da y, a l l ye a r l ong. T he y s t a y. T he y s pe nd m one y. I t 's a l i t t l e qui e t e r be c a us e you don't s e e t he m c om i ng i n f o r t he bi g ga m e a nd t he c ol o r s B ut w e a r e r e a l l y w or k i ng ha r d t o e s t a bl i s h T a m pa a s a c ul t ur a l t our i s m de s t i na t i on W e 've got w a t e r ; w e 've got s por t s ; a nd w e 've got a r t s A nd w e 've a c t ua l l y c onvi nc e d t he t our i s t de ve l opm e nt f ol ks t o gi ve us 50 000 dol l a r s t hi s ye a r A nd l a s t ye a r w e r a i s e d a bout a n ot he r 50, 000 A nd w e 've w or ke d, l a unc he d a c a m pa i gn t o ge t pe opl e t o c om e he r e f o r t he c ul t u r e no t j us t f or S B : T ha t 's good.

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39 P W : A s por t s ga m e S B : A l ot of pe opl e don't know P W : Y e a h. W e l l I m e a n w e 'r e of f e r i ng w e a t he r a nd c ul t ur e S B : W ha t 's he r e P W : S o w e 've got [ a n] e ve n be t t e r c om bi na t i on. S B : W e 've got i t a l l P W : S o, s o w e 've be c om e pa r t ne r s w i t h t he t our i s m s i de w e 've be c om e pa r t ne r s w i t h t he e c onom i c de ve l opm e nt s i de A l l of ou r i ni t i a t i ve s w e 'r e doi ng a bi g L a t i n A m e r i c a n A r t s F e s t i va l e ve r y t w o ye a r s a nd i t 's be c om i ng S B : I t 's e xc i t i ng. P W : H uge A nd but w e 'r e ha vi ng i t a r ound a L a t i n A m e r i c a n T r a de C onve nt i on t ha t 's he r e W e 'r e goi ng t o be br i ngi ng i n L a t i n A m e r i c a n di gni t a r i e s a nd p r e s i de nt s a nd t r a di ng pe opl e s o S B : W he n i s t hi s ? P W : T hi s i s N ove m be r of 2007. S B : O ka y. P W : A nd s o you'r e you t a ke w ha t w oul d ha ve be e n a n i nt e r e s t i ng a r t s e ve nt but you m a ke i t a ne xus f o r t r a de a ne xus f or bus i ne s s a b a c k dr op i n w hi c h pe opl e c a n go M y gos h, l ook a t t hi s c i t y S B : T ha t 's e xc i t i ng. P W : Y ou know a nd pe opl e i n S out h A m e r i c a a nd L a t i n A m e r i c a c a n l ook a nd s a y, W e l l T a m pa t he y've go t t hi s t h i ng goi ng on a nd w e 'r e t r a di ng w i t h t he m W e 'r e us i ng t he i r por t W e 'r e goi ng ba c k a nd f or t h S B : T ha t 's ve r y e xc i t i ng. P W : S o t ha t 's t he t ype W he n I a l ot o f s t uf f w e d o, w e t r y t o ha ve t hos e e c onom i c de ve l opm e nt e l e m e nt s i n t hos e S B : T e l l us a bout s om e of t he a r t s a c t i vi t i e s you c a r e a bout Y ou c a r e a bout a nd, e xc us e m e s om e you've be e n r e s pons i bl e f or ove r t he ye a r s t ha t a r e s t i l l a r ound S om e a r e n't W ha t w ha t 's ha ppe ni ng a r t s w i s e ?

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40 P W : G os h t ha t 's a bi g one W he n I got i nvol ve d i n t he e i ght i e s be c a us e I w a s a l w a ys a m us i c i a n; a nd t he r e w a s a a s m a l l but s or t o f vi t a l i nt e r e s t i ng a r t s c om m uni t y be t w e e n U S F a nd s or t of Y bor C i t y. A l ot of a r t i s t s ha d di s c ove r e d a nd m ove d t o Y bor C i t y A nd s o be t w e e n t he gr e a t pr o f e s s or s a t U S F a nd gr a phi c s t udi o a nd, t hi s t hi s s or t of s om e a l ot of t he m gr a dua t e s f r om U S F w ho e nde d up i n c he a p s t udi o s pa c e i n t he ol d hi s t or i c di s t r i c t T he r e w a s a r e a l m om e nt i n t i m e w he r e t h e r e w a s s or t of a bi r t h of a n a r t s c om m uni t y t ha t ha dn't e xi s t e d. S B : T hi s w a s t he e i ght i e s ? P W : T hi s w oul d be l i ke '79 '80, a nd i n t h r ough t he 1980s A nd t he gr ound z e r o w a s m os t l y Y bor C i t y W hi c h w a s a t t ha t poi nt e m pt y I m e a n, e m pt y. P e opl e l ook ba c k a nd i t ha s n't be e n t ha t l ong B ut you know I w a s w e w e r e dow n t he r e A nd you c oul d, you know l ook dow n t he s t r e e t on a S a t ur da y n i ght a n d not s e e a nybody. S B : W ha t 's t he r e now ? P W : N ow i t 's a b i g e nt e r t a i nm e nt a nd r e s t a ur a nt d i s t r i c t A nd i t 's you know 25 or 30 000 pe opl e dow n t he r e S B : I nc r e di bl e P W : W e 'r e t hi s w e e ke nd, t hi s i s i n O c t obe r of 20 06, w e 'r e r e vi vi ng f or one ni ght onl y t hi s A r t i s t s a nd W r i t e r s B a l l t ha t w e 've c r e a t e d i n Y bor C i t y i n 1979, t ha t be c a m e a phe nom e non a nd l a s t e d 13 ye a r s a nd r e a l l y s how c a s e d t he hi s t or i c di s t r i c t f or t he f i r s t t i m e a s a n a r t s a nd e nt e r t a i nm e nt pl a c e S B : Y ou've m e nt i one d t ha t be f or e a nd you ga ve a num be r W ha t you a nt i c i pa t e d r a w i ng t hi s ye a r ? P W : W e l l t hi s ye a r a c t ua l l y w e 'r e pul l i ng, w e 'r e a c t ua l l y t r yi ng not t o dr a w t he num be r S B : O h, O ka y P W : I t 's goi ng t o be 400 t i c ke t s onl y S B : O h? P W : A nd i n pa s t ye a r s i t w a s t hi s g i a nt m ons t r os i t y. T w o a nd t h r e e t hous a nd pe opl e i n e ve r y c or ne r a nd you know i t j us t be c a m e t hi s gi a nt t hi ng. S B : R e a l bi g. P W : T hi s one i s w e 'r e t r yi ng t o s or t of r e c r e a t e t he f e e l i ng o f i t but not not ha ve t o do m a ke i t qui t e t he m ount a i n A nd I don't e ve n i t 's m or e of a n a c know l e dge m e nt of w ha t

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41 a gr e a t t hi ng i t w a s r a t he r t ha n t r y i ng t o s t a r t i t a l l ove r a ga i n. I t 's one o f t hos e t hi ngs [ t ha t ] w he n w e f i ni s he d i t a f t e r t w e l ve ye a r s I ne v e r w a nt e d t o do i t a ga i n i n m y l i f e S B : ( l a ughs ) P W : B u t i t w a s a n i nc r e di bl e a r t s e xpe r i e nc e A r t i s t s c r e a t e d e nvi r onm e nt s i n t he s e ol d c l ubs i n Y bor C i t y I booke d a l l t he be s t i nt e r e s t i n g m us i c f r om bi g ba nd t o punk t o you know w hoe ve r w a s t he m os t i nt e r e s t i ng f ol ks A nd s o i t w a s a n e xpe r i e nc e t ha t you c a m e i nt o. A nd e a c h one w a s a di f f e r e nt t he m e a n d, i t w a s ba s e d on s or t o f t he o l d V e ne t i a n B a l l s a nd i t w a s a l i t t l e bi t of a s a t i r e o n G a s pa r i l l a w hi c h you know w e ha d a c or ona t i on, a nd a ki ng a nd que e n, a nd t he y w e r e a l w a ys a r t i s t s a nd i t w a s ve r y c a m py a nd f un. B ut i t w a s a w a y I n F l o r i da I t h i nk, a nd i s one o f t he t hi ngs i s w e d on't ha ve a n a r t s c ul t u r e a hi s t or y of a n a r t s c ul t ur e Y ou dr a w pe opl e t o t he a r t s t hr ough e ve nt s m o r e t ha n t hr ough, O h, I ha ve t o go t o t hi s ga l l e r y a nd s e e t hi s ne w s h ow I t doe s n't ha ppe n qui t e s o m uc h l i ke t ha t he r e Y ou b r i ng pe opl e t o t he a r t s t h r ough e ve nt s a nd t hr ough pa r t i e s a nd t hi ngs a nd you gi ve t he m t he a r t s a nd t he y ge t i t a nd t he y go, W ow t hi s i s s o c ool B ut t ha t 's how you ge t t he m out S B : I t 's ha ppe ne d a t a n e ve nt B ut w e do ha ve a r t g a l l e r i e s P W : O h, a bs ol ut e l y w e do. S B : N ow w e w e l l w ha t a r e s om e o f t he ga l l e r i e s t ha t ha ve be e n a r ound f o r a w hi l e ? P W : W e l l w e 've got a num be r of you know ga l l e r i e s c om e a nd go, a nd w e 've ha d you know e ve r y t i m e you t a l k i nt o i n t o t he a r t s c om m uni t y t he r e a r e pe opl e w ho w i l l m oa n a nd, O h, t hi s i s t he l ow e s t t i m e i t 's e ve r be e n, a nd how no one 's s uppor t i ng t he ga l l e r i e s A nd S B : B ut f or one t ha t goe s out one c om e s i n, ki nd o f t hi ng P W : I M i c ha e l M ur phy a t M G a l l e r y i n S out h T a m pa j us t ope ne d. H e 's now go t 10 000 s qua r e f e e t of a r t ga l l e r y s pa c e t ha t 's ve r y w e l l don e Y ou know ve r y hi gh e nd A nd I w oul d m a i nt a i n t ha t i n 1980 t he r e w a s not 10, 000 s qua r e f e e t of a r t ga l l e r y s pa c e i n t he e nt i r e c i t y. S B : S o, i t i s i m pr ovi ng P W : Y e a h. S B : A nd G r a phi c S t udi o s t i l l e xi s t s P W : G r a phi c S t ud i o. Y ou've t he uni ve r s i t y S B : T ha t 's a s e c r e t

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42 P W : T ha t 's a n i n t e r na t i ona l S B : I t 's w e l l know n i nt e r na t i ona l l y but pe opl e w h o l i ve i n T a m pa don't r e a l l y know C ou l d you e xpl a i n a l i t t l e bi t ? P W : W e l l ye a h, G r a phi c S t ud i o i s a t o s a y i t 's a pr i nt m a ki ng hous e i s not t o do i t j us t i c e B ut i t 's i t 's a r e s e a r c h a r m of U S F a nd t he a r t s A nd i t f oc us e s a r ound pr i nt m a ki ng a nd s pe c i a l p r oj e c t s l i ke t ha t a nd t he y ha ve br ought i n e ve r y bi g na m e a nd a l ot of na m e s t ha t you s houl d know bu t m a ybe you don't know i n t he a r t s f o r pr o j e c t s f or f or ye a r s S B : L i ke R a us c he nbe r g? P W : Y e a h. O h I i nt e r vi e w e d a l ot o f t he m w he n t h e y c a m e t o t ow n a s a j our na l i s t B e c a us e nobody e l s e kne w w ho t he y w e r e s o I w o ul d go out e ve n t hough I w a s n't a n a r t s w r i t e r a nd s i t w i t h P hi l l i p P e a r l s t e i n w hi l e he w a s you know S B : O h m y gos h P W : D oi ng a nude a nd j us t a m a z i ng s t uf f S B : V e r y w e l l know n a r t i s t P W : A nd i t 's r e a l l y i n a gr e a t S B : I n t he a r t w or l d. P W : I t 's pos i t i one d i t s e l f r e a l l y w e l l ; t he y ve done w onde r f ul s t uf f T he y'r e a bi g pa r t ne r i n t he L a t i n A m e r i c a n f e s t i va l B ut s o t he ga l l e r y bus i ne s s w i l l a l w a ys be a s t r ugg l e A nd I t hi nk w e pr oba bl y do ne e d t o hope f ul l y a s t he e c onom y c ont i nue s t o g r ow a nd m or e pe opl e c om e you bui l d a bi gge r c ol l e c t i ve ba s e A l ot o f our c ol l e c t or s w i l l go t o N e w Y or k a nd M i a m i t o buy S o w e 'r e s t i l l t r yi ng t o S B : W ha t i s your goa l ? I m e a n w ha t w ha t do you w a nt t o a c c om pl i s h P a ul i n t he ne a r f ut ur e ? P W : W ha t I w a nt t o do be c a us e t hi s a c i t y of f i c i a l a nd i n a c i t y c a n't c onvi nc e pe opl e t o go buy a r t T he y c a n't c onvi nc e pe opl e t ha t t hi s a r t i s be t t e r t ha n s om e t hi ng you go, a pos t e r you go buy I t 's not I c a n't ne c e s s a r i l y do t h a t B ut w ha t w e c a n do i s hope f ul l y c ha nge t he publ i c de ba t e a nd s a y, Y ou know t he a r t s a r e i m po r t a nt A nd unl e s s w he ne ve r w e do s om e t hi ng, s how you w ha t good a r t i s I m e a n, ou r L i gh t s on T a m pa pr oj e c t t ha t ou r publ i c a r t f ol ks di d T he y c om m i s s i one d i nc r e di bl e a r t i s t s f r om he r e a nd f r om a r ound t he w o r l d, a nd pe opl e got r e a l l y e xc i t e d a bout i t A nd t ha t 's a pr oj e c t t ha t 's uni que a r ound t he c ount r y. P e opl e a r e e m ul a t i ng i t now S o w ha t w e t r y t o do i s j us t s e t

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43 r e a l l y good e xa m pl e s c r e a t e t hi ngs t ha t a r e e xc i t i n g a nd t ha t s e t t he ba r h i ghe r I m e a n m y be i ng a guy w ho g r e w up i n F l o r i da F l or i da ha s f or ye a r s s ol d i t s e l f t o t he l ow e s t bi dde r A nd w e 've you know e xpl oi t e d t he be a ut y a nd w e 've done a l l t hos e t hi ngs t ha t w e s houl dn't do. A nd I t hi nk w e r e a t a poi nt w he r e w e ne e d t o s a y, E nough w i t h t ha t A nd w e ha ve i n m a ny pl a c e s I m e a n l ook a t t he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r l ook a t t he A i r por t w e bui l t he r e W he n you do t hi ngs f i r s t c l a s s t he y a r e s uc c e s s f ul A nd s o m y t hi ng i s : l e t 's t r y t o do a s m uc h i n t he a r t s f i r s t c l a s s a s w e c a n a nd s e e w he r e S B : A nd you t hi nk t hi s w i l l dr a w pe opl e f r om a l l o ve r ? P W : I t hi nk s o. A nd I t hi nk i t w i l l i t w i l l F l or i da i s i t 's a s t a t e of i m m i gr a nt s W e 'r e a l l e s s e nt i a l l y i m m i gr a nt s a t one poi nt or a not he r i n t h i s s t a t e A nd w e w a nt t o, w e w a nt t o a t t r a c t br i ght t a l e nt e d i m m i gr a nt s f ol ks t o l i ve h e r e F r om a l l a r ound t he c ount r y a nd a r ound t he w or l d w ho c om e f o r t he w e a t he r w ho c om e f or t he oppor t uni t i e s t o w or k a nd w ho c om e be c a us e t he r e 's a gr e a t c ul t ur a l ba c kdr o p. A nd I t hi n k w e 'r e he a di ng t he r e I m e a n I m a y be S B : T ha t 's ni c e P W : I n a w he e l c ha i r w he n w e ge t i t r e a l l y done b ut you know w e 've got a l ot of t he m a l r e a dy he r e S B : I t h i nk t ha t 's gr e a t t o he a r T ha t 's e xc i t i ng. P W : W e l l t ha t 's S B : Y ou m a ke i t yo u m a ke i t s ound l i ke t hi s i s a g ood pl a c e t o l i ve P W : I you k now t o m e a nd I i t 's i nt e r e s t i ng, I w a s t a l ki ng t o a young a r t i s t t he ot he r da y w ho s a i d a l ot of hi s buddi e s w ho m ove d t o ot he r c i t e s a r e c om i ng ba c k. B e c a us e S B : W e l l t ha t 's ni c e t o he a r P W : Y ou go t o a c i t y l i ke L A w he r e I l i ve d, a nd y ou go t o N e w Y or k a nd you go t o s om e of t he s e c i t i e s t he r e a r e t hi ngs ha ppe ni ng b ut t he y'r e ki nd of done Y ou know you, you c a n f i nd a l i t t l e ni c he w he r e you go i nt o, but w ha t I l ove a bout T a m pa w ha t I 've a l w a ys be e n a bl e t o do i s you c a n ge t r i ght t o t he f r ont of t he l i ne a nd do s om e t hi ng! S B : Y ou c a n m a ke a di f f e r e nc e P W : Y ou c a n m a ke a huge di f f e r e nc e A nd I 've e nj oye d t ha t m or e t ha n be i ng s om e w he r e l i ke L A w hi c h I e nj oye d. B ut w he n I w a s t h e r e I f e l t l i ke I w a s e nj oyi ng t he di f f e r e nc e t ha t s om e body m a de f i f t y ye a r s a go or t w e nt y f i ve ye a r s a go. A nd he r e you c a n be pa r t of t he pa r t of i t S B : Y ou f e e l k i nd of l i ke a bi gge r f i s h i n a s m a l l e r pond.

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44 P W : W e l l a nd you'r e k i nd of a you'r e pi one e r i ng, a nd you'r e a bl e t o pe opl e a r e w e l c om i ng. O h, you w a nt t o do s om e t hi ng? Y e a h, c om e on i n! L e t 's l e t 's S B : I s n't t ha t g r e a t P W : A nd s o S B : T ha t 's ni c e t o he a r P W : T ha t 's be e n f un A nd I t hi nk, now t he w or l d i s s o w i r e d you c a n be i n a pl a c e l i ke T a m pa a nd be c onne c t e d t o t he l a r ge r w or l d t oo W i t h t he W e b a nd t he I nt e r ne t i t 's a di f f e r e nt w o r l d. S B : A bs ol ut e l y. P W : I t hi nk t ha n i t w a s be f o r e S B : T ot a l l y T ha t 's e xc i t i ng. P W : Y ou'r e not s o i s ol a t e d i n onc e pl a c e S B : W e l l I ki nd of w a nt t o ge t ba c k t o t he pe r s ona l s i de P a r t of t he s e i nt e r vi e w s i s t o ge t t o know you pe r s ona l l y, P a ul A nd but w hoe ve r i s l i s t e ni ng t o t hi s t a pe I 'd l i ke t he m t o know you! Y ou' r e a ve r y c ol or f u l guy P W : I 'm a f r a i d s o S B : A nd one o f your k i nd of i nt e r e s t s i s pe r f o r m i n g. W oul d you t e l l us a l i t t l e bi t a bout w ha t you'r e doi ng? P W : Y e a h I t hi nk, m y pa r e nt s ha ve n't qui t e f i gur e d out w he r e t he ge ne c a m e f r om but s om e how m y br ot he r a nd I bot h go t t he bu g a nd s o m e how got s om e t a l e nt I t hi nk he got e ve n a l i t t l e m o r e t ha n m e M y br ot he r s t udi e d m u s i c a nd w e nt on t o a c a r e e r i n N e w Y or k a s a B r oa dw a y s i nge r a nd s a ng i n B r oa dw a y r oa d s how s a nd now he 's a pr of e s s i ona l c hur c h s i nge r w ho t r a ve l s a r ound t he c ount r y. A nd ha s m a de s om e w onde r f ul C D s a nd ha s a voi c e t ha t w i l l j us t s e nd c hi l l s A nd, a nd I 've a l w a ys l ove d pe r f or m i ng S o e ve n t hough I ne ve r w a nt e d t o do i t f or a l i vi ng t he j our na l i s m a l w a ys t r e a t e d m e be t t e r a nd I di dn' t w a nt t o ha ve t o l i ve of f m y m us i c B ut i t 's be e n a g r e a t s i de l i ne f or m e S o I 've a l w a ys ha d, e i t he r done m us i c a l t he a t e r done ba nds I 've done you know r oc k ba nds da nc e ba nds f ol k ba nds f r om y ou know S B : W he n you s a y you've done t he m you pa r t i c i pa t e d or you ha d gr oups ? P W : I us ua l l y l e d t he m B e c a us e I ne ve r c ons i de r e d m ys e l f a good e nough m us i c i a n t o l i ke f ol l ow s om e o t he r guy I f I w a s l e a di ng t he m I c oul d t e l l pe opl e w ha t w e w e r e goi ng

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45 t o do, a nd w e c oul d do s om e t hi ng I kne w how t o d o. A nd I t hi n k I a l w a ys ha d t he pe r s ona l i t y t o be t ha t S B : Y our ol d gr oup w a s na m e d? P W : P a ul W i l bo r n a nd t he P op T a r t s A nd w e ha d gi r l s i nge r s w ho w e r e c a l l e d S t r a w be r r y a nd C he r r y, a nd w e w e r e I w r o t e f un ny s ongs a nd w e e ve nt ua l l y be c a m e s or t of a f un, j us t a w i l d da nc e ba nd t ha t pe opl e w o ul d c om e a nd ha ve s o m uc h f un be c a us e w e w e r e ha vi ng a l ot o f f un. A nd w e di d t ha t f or a bout t w e l ve ye a r s S B : W ow P W : S t a r t i ng e a r l y e i ght i e s s om e t i m e A nd, a nd t h e n I ha d a gr oup t ha t s or t of m or phe d f r om t ha t T he r e w a s be t t e r pl a ye r s e ve n, a nd i t be c a m e w a s c a l l e d t he B i g B a r B i l l s A nd t ha t w a s you know a l i t t l e m o r e S B : A nd how l ong di d you ? P W : F e w ye a r s f e w ye a r s B ut a t t ha t t i m e I w a s a c t ua l l y s or t of got t e n e xc i t e d t hi s w a s you know m i d ni ne t i e s m a ybe e a r l y ni ne t i e s I g ot e xc i t e d a bout I di s c ove r e d, a c t ua l l y, e a r l y on, I d i s c ov e r e d t he t hi r t i e s a nd t he t w e nt i e s W hi c h I c ons i de r t he he i ght o f A m e r i c a n m us i c I m not e ve n a b i g f a n of t he f o r t i e s I 'm a m uc h bi gge r f a n o f t he t w e nt i e s a nd t he t hi r t i e s T hi ngs go t a l i t t l e s c hm a l t z y by t he f or t i e s f o r m e G r e a t hot j a z z m us i c gr e a t s ong w r i t i ng, gr e a t i t w a s j us t w or ds a nd m us i c c a m e t oge t he r I t w a s one of t hos e pl a c e s w he r e w he r e I t hi nk w e a l r e a dy a r e l ooki ng ba c k but you l ook ba c k a nd go, T ha t w a s f o r A m e r i c a n m us i c a w a t e r s he d Y ou know a c oupl e of de c a de s be t w e e n t he t w o W or l d W a r s A nd s o I r e a l l y ha ve f oc us e d ha r d on t hos e de c a de s S B : T hi s i s now c ur r e nt your i nt e r e s t ? P W : W e l l a l s o f or t he l a s t pr oba bl y f or t he l a s t t e n ye a r s B ut c ur r e nt l y, I 'm r e a l l y a t i t a l ot m o r e t ha n e ve r be c a us e I 'm a c t ua l l y doi ng bi g s ho w s W e di d a s how W e 'r e doi ng a s e r i e s c a l l e d t he A m e r i c a n S ong B ooks S e r i e s a t t he P a l l a di um W e di d one S e pt e m be r 29 i t w a s a l l C ol e P o r t e r W e ha d ove r 300 pe opl e pa y bi g m one y t o he a r C ol e P or t e r s ongs S B : G r e a t P W : A nd w e do i t l i ke a ki nd of va r i e t y s how A nd I t e l l s t or i e s a bout t ha t pu t t he s ongs i n c ont e xt A nd i t 's goi ng ove r r e a l l y w e l l S o t ha t s m y pa s s i on. S B : A nd w ha t 's t he na m e o f you r ne w g r oup? P W : T he g r oup i s c a l l e d B l ue R os e s P a ul W i l bor n a nd t he B l ue R os e s

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46 S B : N ow doe s t he gr oup pe r f o r m o r i s i t j us t you p e r f or m i ng a t t he P a l l a di um ? P W : I t 's a t r i o. P l us I a l w a ys ha ve i nvi t e d gue s t s I a l w a ys f e l t l i ke you got t o ha ve s om e gi r l s i nge r s G ot t o ha ve be a ut i f ul gi r l s on s t a ge i t s a n i m por t a nt t hi ng. S B : O ka y. P W : S o w e w e i nvi t e E uge ni e U s ua l l y, s he a c t ua l l y doe s s om e pe r f or m i ng. B e c a us e s he 's a r e a l s he j us t knoc ks pe opl e out w he n s he ge t s on s t a ge S o, s o i t 's be e n, i t 's ki nd of a l i t t l e va r i e t y s how t ha t f oc us e s on one t he m e o r one c om pos e r A nd I 've done a s a j our na l i s t I j us t us e m y ol d j our na l i s m t hi ngs a nd d i d t ons of r e s e a r c h i nt o t he s ongs a nd t he s ongw r i t e r s A nd s o I t e l l s t or i e s A nd a l o t of pe opl e know t he s ong, but t he y don't know S B : T ha t 's e xc i t i ng. P W : A nyt hi ng a bout i t S B : T he s t or i e s P W : T he y don't know t he c ont e xt or t he y don't kn ow a nd I t e l l t r yi ng t o m a ke i t ve r y c ont e m por a r y, be c a us e a l l o f t he s e pe opl e w e r e yo u know go i ng out t he r e o r ha vi ng a gr e a t t i m e T he y w e r e l i vi ng t he i r l i ve s T he y w e r e you know m a ki ng l ove a nd doi ng l i f e S B : S ur e P W : A nd i t 's not t ha t m uc h di f f e r e nt t ha n now I t j us t ha d a be t t e r s oundt r a c k t ha n w e do now S B : ( l a ughs ) P W : S o ( l a ughs ) S B : W he r e do you f i nd t he t i m e P a ul ? P W : I s t e a l i t A nd a f t e r S B : S o, i s a l l you r t i m e t a ke n f o r t ha t ? P W : W e l l t he c i t y i s t he c i t y i s a pr e t t y de m a ndi ng j ob. S B : B ut I m e a nt i n t e r m s of a hobby P W : O h ye a h, I m e a n i t 's

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47 S B : T ha t 's t ha t 's you r m a i n f oc us P W : Y e a h. S B : A s a hobby. P W : Y e a h. I don't pl a y gol f I don't you know I g a r de n. I l i ke w o r ki ng i n t he ya r d a s s or t of a t he r a py B ut I don't ha ve a l ot of boy" hobbi e s S B : A nd t he r e a r e no c hi l d r e n. P W : I ha ve ne ve r ha d c hi l d r e n. A nd s o ye a h, i t g i v e s you a l i t t l e m or e f r e e t i m e a nd f l e xi bi l i t y. S B : S ur e P W : T o do t hi ngs A nd s o e s s e nt i a l l y you j us t s or t of gi ve up your ni ght s oc c a s i ona l l y. A nd a l ot o f m y ni ght s a r e s poke n f or a s w e l l w i t h m y j ob. B ut w e m a na ge t o f i nd t he t i m e I 'm onl y doi ng, you know t h r e e s how s pe r y e a r t he b i g t he a t r e s how s S o i t 's no t l i ke you'r e out e ve r y w e e k e nd pe r f or m i ng I c oul d n't do t ha t S B : Y ou'r e on a l ot of boa r ds P W : I s i t on a l ot o f boa r ds S B : A nd t ha t 's m a i nl y dur i ng t he da y? P W : Y e a h, but you know w he n you s i t on S B : W hi c h boa r ds ? P W : L i ke t he F l o r i da O r c he s t r a you ne e d t o go s e e t h e s how s S B : Y e a h, O ka y. P W : A nd I l ove t he or c he s t r a A nd I s i t on t he boa r d f or t he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r s o I 'm t he r e a l ot f or t hi ngs I us e d t o w or k w i t h, s or t of G a s pa r i l l a A r t F e s t i va l T he I j us t w e nt of f t he P l a nt M us e um boa r d. T a m pa B a y B us i ne s s C om m i t t e e f or t he A r t s i t 's l i ke pa r t of a c ha i n. Y ou know t he r e 's t oo m a ny m e e t i ngs W a y t oo m a ny m e e t i ngs S B : A r e t hos e t he m a i n boa r ds t ha t you'r e on? P W : I t hi nk I m a y be l e a vi ng s om e out but r i ght n ow t hos e a r e t he m a i n boa r ds I 've s a t on ot he r s I e s s e nt i a l l y r e pr e s e nt a ny w e ha ve t o w he ne ve r t he c i t y gi ve s m one y w e gi ve a l ot o f m one y t o di f f e r e nt a r t s gr oups W e ha ve a r e pr e s e nt a t i ve s i t t i ng t he r e t o s or t of m a ke s ur e t ha t

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48 S B : S ur e P W : Y ou know w ha t 's goi ng on A nd t he boa r d i s a w a y t o do t ha t S B : S ur e P W : I a l s o s i t on t he A r t s C ounc i l A nd p r oba bl y a c oupl e ot he r t hi ngs t ha t I S B : D o you ge t i nvol ve d i n c ha r i t y w or k a t a l l ? P W : I do a nd I dona t e m y m us i c a l t i m e f or t ha t bu t I I r e a l l y ha ve ki nd o f l i m i t e d m y c ha r i t y w or k t o a r t s c ha r i t i e s S B : D o you ha ve f a vor i t e c ha r i t i e s ? P W : I k i nd of l ook t o s e e w ho, w ho m i gh t be w h o ne e ds t he he l p a t t hi s t i m e I m e a n S B : O ka y. P W : W ha t s or t o f got m e goi ng w a s w a s a f r i e nd of m i ne G uy K i ng w ho w a s on t he boa r d of t he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r G r e a t guy A nd he a r ou nd t he t i m e be f o r e t he y f ound J udi L i s i a nd w he n t he c e nt e r w a s ki nd o f f l ounde r i ng, he s a i d, L i s t e n, w e ne e d t o ge t s om e pe opl e i nvol ve d i n t hi s t hi ng A nd he go t m e i nvol ve d a nd I s t a r t e d dona t i ng a l ot of t i m e a nd w oul d dona t e m us i c a l s e r vi c e s A n d I w e nt on a s P r e s i de nt of t he P r oduc e r s boa r d f or t he m A nd s o m y i nt e r e s t w a s t hi s i s s om e t hi ng t ha t 's a good t hi ng t ha t ne e ds s om e he l p r i ght now A nd you know I 'v e ha d f r i e nds w ho ha ve done t ha t w i t h t he or c he s t r a a nd I 've ha d f r i e nds w ho ha ve done i t w i t h ot he r t hi ngs A nd s o I ki nd of l ook t o s e e S B : W he r e t he ne e d [ i s ] P W : W ho I c a n m a ke di f f e r e nc e w i t h A nd one of t he t hi ngs w e 'r e m y i nt e r e s t now i s i n s om e of t he s m a l l e r a r t s or ga ni z a t i ons t ha t S B : L i ke ? P W : L i ke our t he a t r e c om pa ni e s S t a ge w or ks J obs i t e T he r e 's t w o or t hr e e o f t he m W ha t w e 've done a nd t hi s i s w e 'r e doi ng a c om m un i t y c ul t ur a l pl a n Y ou a s k a bout a pl a n w e 'r e a c t ua l l y a r e f i ni s hi ng up one r i ght now A nd one of t he t hi ngs w e 've di s c ove r e d i t 's w ha t w e a l r e a dy kne w but t he ha vi ng a n out s i de c ons ul t a nt t e l l you i t 's i t he l ps f oc us you. I s t ha t i f you r e a l l y l ook a t ou r a r t s a s a n e c os ys t e m w e 've got t he bi g pr e da t or s A nd t he y'r e doi ng pr e t t y w e l l e ve n t hou gh, you know i t 's s om e t i m e s a s t r uggl e Y ou've got t he F l o r i da O r c he s t r a Y ou've got t he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r Y ou've got L ow r y P a r k Z oo Y ou've got M O S I Y ou've got s om e you know ve r y bi g

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49 pl a ye r s T a m pa M us e um e ve n w i t h i t s i s s ue s i s s t i l l a ve r y bi g pl a ye r t ha t 's no t i n a ny j e opa r dy. Y ou d r op dow n be l ow t ha t l e ve l a nd w e ve got a bi g ga p. S t P e t e r s bur g, one t hi ng I t hi nk pe opl e a r e pl e a s e d a bout i s t ha t t he r e i s s om e t hi ng t he y ha ve s om e f ol ks i n t ha t l e ve l F l o r i da C r a f t s a nd t he A r t s C e nt e r s om e t hi ngs l i ke t ha t t ha t a r e not a s m a ny e m pl oye e s a s a bi g. S o, I t hi nk w he r e w e 'r e l ooki ng t o go s t r a t e gi c a l l y i n t he ne xt f e w ye a r s a nd t hi s i s be t w e e n m ys e l f t he A r t s C ounc i l you know w e 'r e t r yi ng t o r e a l l y put a f oc us on t h i s i s H ow do w e he l p gr ow ou r s m a l l a nd m i d l e ve l a r t s or ga ni z a t i ons t o w he r e t he y c a n ha ve a n e m pl oye e ? O r f i ve e m pl oye e s ? H ow do t he y s us t a i n t ha t ? B e c a us e unt i l you do t ha t t hos e t hi ngs c om e a nd go a nd t he r e 's e ve r y ye a r i s a s t r uggl e a nd S B : H ow i m por t a nt a r e t he y t o t he gr ow t h of t he a r t s ? P W : I t hi nk t he y'r e i nc r e di bl y i m por t a nt S B : W hy? P W : B e c a us e be c a us e t he you l ook a t your bi g i n s t i t ut i ons A nd how m a ny f ol ks a r e goi ng t o, got t o be p r e t t y s pe c i a l i z e d t a l e nt t o be a t T he F l or i da O r c he s t r a T he P e r f or m i ng A r t s C e nt e r ha s a ni c h e but i s l oc a l i z e d. Y ou know i t 's t he r e 's a ve r y, you know i t 's r oa d s how s or p r of e s s i ona l e nt e r t a i ne r s Y ou ne e d t o ha ve a l e ve l w he r e pe opl e a r e a bl e t o b r e a k i n, a nd t he s e t hi ngs t ha t t ha t a r e how do you de s c r i be i t ? T he y' r e s or t of you know i t s l i ke a n e c o I t h i nk of i t a s a n e c os ys t e m Y ou ne e d t o ha ve t he bi g, t he m i ddl e t he s m a l l a nd i t 's i n ba l a nc e S B : A nd t he r e a r e va r yi ng t i c ke t p r i c e s I w oul d t h i nk. P W : V a r yi ng t i c ke t pr i c e s t he r e a r e t hi ngs a youn g t he a t r e c om pa ny m a y be doi ng t hi ngs l i ke J obs i t e w he r e i t i s doi ng t hi ngs t ha t de ve l ope d t hi s r e a l l y c ool young a udi e nc e T ha t t he y ki nd o f f e e l l i ke t he y' r e goi ng t o S a t ur da y N i ght L i ve or s om e t hi ng, but i t 's i t 's t he a t r e A nd t he y'r e r e a l l y a m bi t i ous a nd t he y'r e a nd t he y'r e do i n g s om e gr e a t s t uf f W e l l t ha t 's a ni c he t ha t w e ne e d t o f i l l A nd you know e ve r ybody a t t ha t t he a t r e c om pa ny ha s t o ha ve a da y j ob r i ght now W hi c h i s you know s o m a ybe i f t w o of t he m di dn t ha ve t o ha ve a da y j ob? I f t he i r da y j o b w a s t ha t t he a t r e ? H o w m uc h m or e c oul d t he y a c c om pl i s h? S o t ha t 's a n a r e a w he r e I t hi nk w e ne e d t o gr ow A nd I 'm r e a l i nt e r e s t e d i n t ha t M or e i nt e r e s t e d f r a nkl y t ha n I a m r i ght now i n s om e of t he bi gge r dogs W ho a r e gr e a t a nd I 'm you know l ove t he m B ut I t hi nk t he y'r e goi ng t o be oka y S B : W ha t P a ul w oul d you c ons i de r your g r e a t e s t a c hi e ve m e nt t hus f a r ? P ut t i ng you on t he s pot P W : W e l l I t h i nk, f or m e i f I r e a l l y l ook I w a s a ve r y good r e por t e r A nd I w on a l ot o f i m por t a nt a w a r ds a nd w a s na m e d F l o r i da J our na l i s t of t he Y e a r i n 1996 A nd I r e m e m be r w he n I got t ha t a w a r d. I 'd got t e n s om e o t he r na t i ona l t hi ngs but t hi s w a s l i ke t hi s t hi ng w he r e t he y j udge d you on t e n of your w or ks A nd you know t he e di t o r s of t he pa pe r s a r ound t he s t a t e pi c ke d. A nd you w e r e up a g a i ns t t he t op j ou r na l i s t A nd I

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50 r e m e m be r goi ng up t o m y r oom a nd ki nd o f l i ke c r i e d a f t e r I got t hi s t hi ng! B e c a us e i t w a s l i ke O ka y, I 've r e a c he d t hi s S B : T hi s l e ve l P W : T he r e w a s l i ke 20 ye a r s o f w or k S B : W ow P W : T ha t got a c know l e dge d t he r e A n d, a nd I r e a l l y t ook i t s e r i ous l y a nd w or ke d r e a l l y ha r d a t i t a nd t r i e d t o be t he be s t e ve r y da y t ha t I c oul d be a t t ha t j ob. A nd, a nd s o, I 'm ki nd of ha ppy now t ha t I m not i n i t a nym or e be c a us e I ha d a w onde r f ul c a r e e r I ha d a f e l l ow s hi p t o t he U ni ve r s i t y of M i c hi ga n. I 've w or ke d a l l ove r you know ha ve c ove r e d t hi ngs a r ound t he w o r l d. A nd di d a l ot of bi g s t or i e s a r ound t he c ount r y A nd s o I f e e l l i ke I 'm a t a ne w pha s e a nd a ne w c ha l l e nge B ut I l ook a t t ha t a s l i ke m y pr of e s s i ona l hi ghe s t a nd be s t pr of e s s i ona l s t uf f A nd S B : W oul d you, I m e a n, do you l i ke w r i t i ng be t t e r ? P W : W e l l I l ove w r i t i ng S B : B e t t e r t ha n pe r f or m i ng? P W : W e l l now I 'm ki nd o f i n a pha s e w he r e pe r f o r m i ng i s f un, but w ha t I 'm do i ng i s w r i t i ng t he s e s how s S o t he y'r e pe r f or m a nc e but t he y'r e a l l m y I w r i t e a w hol e s how t ha t goe s a l ong w i t h i t E ve r yt h i ng I s a y i n t he s how i s S B : S o you'r e w r i t i ng P W : S o I 'm w r i t i ng. S B : Y e a h. P W : A nd s o i t s or t o f b r i ngs t oge t he r t h os e t w o t hi ngs S B : T ha t 's gr e a t P W : A nd i t 's f un a nd i t 's you know i t 's pot e nt i a l l y s om e t hi ng I c a n do f or a l ong t i m e S B : W e l l P a ul I m e a n you'r e a n a m a z i ng pe r s on! Y ou r e a l l y a r e P W : ( l a ughs ) S B : I 've know n you f o r a l ong t i m e a nd i t i s a j oy t o know you

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51 P W : O h, t ha nk you. S B : A nd w e a r e s o bl e s s e d t o ha ve you i n t hi s a r e a W e r e a l l y a r e P e opl e w ho br ought you ba c k kne w w ha t t he y w e r e doi ng B e c a us e you ha ve you ha ve c ont r i but e d s o m uc h t o t hi s a r e a P W : W e l l i t s f un t o be ba c k. A nd you know I t hi n k a s w e t a l ke d a bout e a r l y on you know m y f a m i l y ha s be e n he r e f o r a l ong t i m e Y o u ge t t hi s t hi ngs t ha t dr i ve you c r a z y a bout t he c i t y a r e a l s o t hi ngs t ha t e nde a r i t t o you S B : S ur e P W : A nd you c a n poi nt a nd go, W e l l w hy i s t hi s a nd w hy i s t ha t ? B ut but I t hi nk t he r e i s t hi s pow e r f ul t h i ng of you know r oot s a nd c onne c t i on a nd w e c a n ha ve a f a m i l y r e uni on, a nd t ur n out ni ne t y I t a l i a ns A nd t he r e 's s om e t hi ng i n m y D N A t ha t s a ys O h you' r e s uppos e d t o be t he r e I don't know s o S B : T ha t 's gr e a t W e l l j us t pl e a s e s t a y. A nd I a ga i n I c a n't t ha nk you e nough f or t hi s t i m e I t 's j us t be e n a P W : S uc h a p l e a s ur e S B : A r e a l p l e a s ur e P W : I m gl a d s om e one c a r e s S B : P e opl e e nj oy ge t t i ng t o know you I a bs ol ut e l y ha ve P W : W e l l t ha nks s o m uc h. T hi s ha s be e n s o m uc h f un, a nd i t 's b e e n gr e a t s i t t i ng he r e a t t hi s be a ut i f ul hom e I 'm l ooki ng out a t t he T a m pa B a y! S B : O h t hi s i s m y of f i c e P W : I t 's gr e a t S B : T a ke c a r e a nd t ha nk you P a ul P W : T ha nk you E nd of I nt e r v i e w


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