Cave Talk

Cave Talk

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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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National Caves Association Susan Berdeaux, Coordinator P.O. Box 280 Park City, KY 42160 866-552-2837 (toll free) 270-749-2428 (fax) April 2005 SIX NCA CAVES DESIGNATED BY NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC National Geographic and the Appalachian Regional Commission have just published the first ever Geotourism MapGuide of the Appalachian Region. The map is included in the April 2005 issue of the National Geographic Traveler magazine. 356 locations in the 13 state Appalachian Region have been designated as significant Geotourism sites. Six of the locations are NCA member caves and caverns: Desoto Caverns Park and Cathedral Caverns State Park in Alabama, Mammoth Cave National Park in Kentucky, Laurel Caverns and Lincoln Caverns in Pennsylvania and Howe Caverns in New York. Also mentioned were ruby Falls in Tennessee and the American Cave Museum and hidden River Cave in Kentucky. Geotourism”, a noun, is defined by the National Geographic as “tourism that sustains or enhances the geographical character of a place – its environment, culture, aesthetics, heritage, and the well-being of its residents.” CONGRATULATIONS to the NCA members who were designated or mentioned. For more information about points of interest in the Appalachian Region, visit 2005 NATIONAL CAVE AND KARS T MANAGEMENT SYMPOSIUM the Northeastern Cave Conservancy will serve as host and co-sponsor of the 2005 symposium in Albany, NY, October 31 – November 4, 2005. The West Virginia Cave Conservancy is also a co-sponsor. This 30th anniversary Symposium will showcase the accomplishments of decades of cooperative cave and karst management research and the path towards the future. NCA member Howe Caverns will host attendees one evening of the Symposium. Information about the Symposium is available from Mike Warner, or at PAUL RUBIN JOINS HOWE CAVERNS STAFF Noted hydro-geologist Paul Rubin has joined Howe Caverns as its Karst Hydrologist. Paul will assist Howe Caverns in developing educational programs for school students, boy scouts and girl scouts, developing a public school curriculum for cave formation and conservation, exploring and mapping other cave passages on the Howe Caverns property, GIS mapping and performing hydrological and geological studies. Paul began his work at Howe Caverns on March 1, 2005 CAVE LICENSE PLATES? The Missouri Caves Association, in cooperation with the Missouri Speleological Association, is researching the possibility of producing an official vehicle license plate. If both memberships agree, you could see this plate as early as 2006. We will all be anxious to hear the results so we can all pursue it in our respective states. OFFICERS: President : John Sagendorf Howe Caverns, NY 518-296-8900 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Vice President : Brad Wuest Natural Bridge Caverns, TX 210-651-6101 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Secretary Treasurer : Susan Berdeaux Diamond Caverns, KY 866-552-2837 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Past President : Richard (Dick) Bell Seneca Caverns, OH 419-483-6711 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA,RI,VT) Ann Molosky Lincoln Caverns, PA 814-643-0268 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) Gary Berdeaux Diamond Caverns, KY 270-749-2233 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Three : (IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN 812-732-4382 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Four : (AR, IL, IA,MO, MS, LA ) Steve Thompson Fantastic Caverns, MO 417-833-2010 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Five : (MT, WY, NE, MN, WI) Joe Klimczak Cave of the Mounds, WI 608-437-3038 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Six : (WA, ID, OR, NV, CA, HI, AK) Bruce Brand – Moaning Cavern 209-736-2708 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Seven : (UT, CO, AZ, NM, SD, ND) Steve Beckley Glenwood Caverns, CO 800-530-1635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Eight : (TX, OK, KS) Michelle Devaney Longhorn Caverns, TX 830-598-CAVE ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, NC, SC, TN, PR) Jack Steiner Jr. Ruby Falls, TN 423-825-1958 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------International : Jeanne Gurnee TN 615-264-0019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


YEAR OF THE CAVE Also in Missouri, the 6000th cave will be recorded in 2005. There are several special events planned around the state to honor the occasion. DOINGS Polar Cave, New Hampshire will open it’s 7th cave, the Bear’s Den, in spring of this year. This will be the first new cave to open in 83 years. They have also cons tructed a gemstone mining sluice they have named the Polar Mining Expedition. Cosmic Caverns, Arkansas has constructed a small de ck across their second lake into Silent Splendor. Now you are able to walk across to the new section where before you needed a boat. This will promote Cosmic’s off trail tours better and is a lot less messy. The property remains for sale. CONVENTION 2005 Everyone should have received preliminar y information regarding this year’s meeting in Bowling Green, KY. If you have not, please contact Susan Berdeaux at Diamond Caverns 270-749-2233. We are not asking for registrations at this time. Information is being distributed now so those that need to request funds and/or time can do so in a timely fashion. IS IT INFO OR IS IT SPAM? As we move into doing more communications electroni cally, those who have requested information by email need to be sure to program your spam filter to accept the NCA address. As of right now, the NCA group email program goes out on the coordinator’s computer. Pleas e add the following addresses to your “friends” list – or If you do not do so, anything that gets sent from these addresses will generate a rejection message back to the c oordinator. And you don’t want to miss anything now, do you?! PENNY FOR YOUR THOUGHTS? That’s the title of an article in the April issue of Reader’s Digest about our penny press machines. The pennies are called elongated coins and “are turning into a hot mass collectible.” But we knew that, didn’t we? Apparently, diehard collectors search high and low for obscure locales, like Emma Krumbee’s Restaurant, Bakery and General Store in Belle Plain, MN in addition to the more typical locations, like caves. “Where else can you get a souvenir for 50 cents?” asks Bob Fritscg, president of The Elongated Collectors. NCA BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING In February, your board of directors met in Las Vegas in conjunction with the NCA Insurance Committee meeting. Topics of discussion included the NCA’s participation at the Cave Management Symposium in Albany, NY in November, making the NCA website a more useful tool for the members, some potential by-law and membership changes, status of the National Cave Museum and increasing the public awareness of the National Caves Association. The entire Executive Co mmittee was in attendance, along with several regional directors and insurance committee members. INSURANCE UPDATE J.P. Boulus, our account executive from Arthur J Gallagher, has sent an accounting of the insurance committee meeting for this edition of Cave Talk. Additional ly, for this issue’s Safety tip, he has included a crisis management guide. While it specifically addresses youth recreation programs, it has universal application for our industry. You may download this guide separately from the newsletter. Thanks, J.P.!


NCA Insurance Committee Mid-Winter Meeting February 26, 2005 Recently your NCA insurance committee met with represent atives of your broker, Arthur J. Gallagher, and your carrier, Markel Insurance Company to discuss the current state of the NCA insurance program, the present state of the insurance marketplace, and what the future holds. Here are a few of the highlights that emerged from the meeting: In general, the overall insurance marketplace is softening after several years of increased rates. Barring new exposures or abnormal losses, NCA members can expect to see flat rates on their upcoming renewal. Gallagher will continue to seek risk-financing alternatives to soften the upheavals of the insurance market cycle and place the NCA members in a position of potential “risk sharing” to get insurance carriers away from paying nuisance losses and only paying those that are catastrophic in nature. This type of program structure affords NCA members much greater control while simultaneously reducing your overall cost of risk. In order for any alternative program to be successful there needs to be greater program participation. To maximize the benefits of a program such as this, you must take advantage of your mass. Collectively your premium volume and superior claims history makes the NCA a much more attractive account for insurers than on an individual basis. Furthermore it opens the door to explore alternative options not currently available. Discussions on both liability waivers and disaster/contingency plans. It was mutually agreed upon that both of these are valuable tools for caves. For more information on sample waiver wording or contingency plans please contact JP Boulus. Understanding your coverage and coverage options is crucial. Markel presented an excellent overview of General Liability coverage as well as information on several ancillary lines of coverage that many caves are not currently purchasing. For more information on either, again please contact JP Boulus. JOIN THE NCA INSURANCE PROGRAM Steps to becoming a member of the NCA Insurance Program NCA members who are not currently participating in the NCA insurance program and who wish to obtain a quote need to do the following at least 75 days prior to their renewal date: 1. Contact JP Boulus at Arthur J. Gallagher. a. b. 630-285-3918 2. Make copies of all your current policies and send them to JP Boulus at: Arthur J. Gallagher & Company 2 Pierce Place Itasca, Il 60143


3. Gallagher will then complete an application for you based on your previous policies and applications. They will then return it to you to be updated. They will also fo rward to you at that time a custom NCA options page outlining several deductible and optional coverages that are available to members. So, don’t wait. If you would like to examine the benefits that the NCA Insurance program might provide for you, at least start the process by contacting JP Boulus. CRISIS GUIDE Please take a minute to go back to the website and download a sample crisis plan. Every business should have a crisis plan on file. The sample plan is for camp youth recreation and child care programs, however, much of the plan is useful as a template for the show-cave industry. FINAL THOUGHTS Since spring has officially sprung, our closing thoughts will honor the season. “Spring is when life’s alive in everything.” Christina Rossetti (1830 – 1894) “A little Madness in the spring is wholesome even for the King.” Emily Dickinson (1830 – 1886) “An optimist is the human personification of spring.” Susan J. Bissonette

Cave Talk is a
publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit
trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private
show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring
together show cave owners and operators from across the United
States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to
share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation
favorable to the show cave industry.


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