Cave Talk

Cave Talk

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Cave Talk
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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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National Caves Association Susan Berdeaux, Coordinator P.O. Box 280 Park City, KY 42160 866-552-2837 (toll free) 270-749-2428 (fax) July 2005 SUMMER FORECAST Dr. Suzanne Cook, Travel Industry Association’s senior Vice-President, told reporters at the National Press Club “It’s going to be a record breaking summer season.” More than 328 million leisure trips are predicted, up 2.3% from last year and nearly every sector of the industry will be up. However a special travel poll also revealed t hat travelers would be looking to economize due to rising gas prices. NEWS FROM HAWAII Chuck Thorne has been very busy in Maui this past winter. First, he is recuperating from a few broken bones. While scuba diving in March, a rock precipice gave way and sent him 25 feet through mid-air into jagged lava rock, face first! Besides a killer headache, he had a broken hand, knee and foot and a long laceration on his knee. Apparently, just laying in bed mending was too slow and boring. Chuck decided to take the cast off his broken hand, set his laptop on his broken knee, propped his broken foot on a pillow and wrote a book! He completed a manuscript about his 25 years (3000 dives!) of scuba diving adventures, including shark battles, whaleriding and being in an underwater cave during a 5.5 earthquake. But wait, there’s more! He is also planting 6000 (yes, that was six thousand) red ti plants for the maze he is constructing at the caverns this year. He is working with Jeff Saward in England. Jeff designed the maze and Chuck is planting. The maze sits on one-half acre and is about .4 of a mile to go through. Chuck has been asked to bring all the information to this year’s meeting in Kentucky this fall. Hopef ully, all his bones will have knit and he will not have had any further exciting adventures to add to his book! NEW ATTRACTIONS Steve and Jeanne Beckley, Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park, CO, have added four new rides and an adventure tour to their attraction this season. The “Canyon Flyer” is the first alpine coaster built in the US and winds down 3,400 feet from he top of the mountain. “Alpine Rush” is a 650 foot zip line which takes two pairs of passengers down hill at speeds up to 50 mph. From the rim of Glenwood Canyon, out over the Colorado River, the giant swing “Swing Shot” launches. “Doc’s Rock” is a 32-foot high climbing wall with five levels of difficulty and the Adventure Tour is a cross between the Wild Tour and the regular cave tour. INSURANCE PROGRAM UPDATE The 2005/2006 renewal information is now past due! If by chance yours has not been sent to Gallagher, please do it now. Several NCA member caves are expected to be added to the insurance program for which we are appreciative. Those in the program solidly believe the NCA/Gallagher/Markel relationship is very beneficial in meeting our needs. OFFICERS: President : John Sagendorf Howe Caverns, NY 518-296-8900 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Vice President : Brad Wuest Natural Bridge Caverns, TX 210-651-6101 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Secretary Treasurer : Susan Berdeaux Diamond Caverns, KY 866-552-2837 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Past President : Richard (Dick) Bell Seneca Caverns, OH 419-483-6711 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA,RI,VT) Ann Molosky Lincoln Caverns, PA 814-643-0268 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) Gary Berdeaux Diamond Caverns, KY 270-749-2233 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Three : (IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN 812-732-4382 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Four : (AR, IL, IA,MO, MS, LA ) Steve Thompson Fantastic Caverns, MO 417-833-2010 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Five : (MT, WY, NE, MN, WI) Joe Klimczak Cave of the Mounds, WI 608-437-3038 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Six : (WA, ID, OR, NV, CA, HI, AK) Bruce Brand – Moaning Cavern 209-736-2708 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Seven : (UT, CO, AZ, NM, SD, ND) Steve Beckley Glenwood Caverns, CO 800-530-1635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Eight : (TX, OK, KS) Michelle Devaney Longhorn Caverns, TX 830-598-CAVE ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, NC, SC, TN, PR) Jack Steiner Jr. Ruby Falls, TN 423-825-1958 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------International : Jeanne Gurnee TN 615-264-0019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


If you have questions about the insurance program, contact Gallagher directly or contact any officer or director or the NCA office. NEW AT HOWE CAVERNS On August 4 Howe Caverns will begin offering a new Adventure Tour. For the first time in more than 100 years, visitors on the Adventure Tour will be able to see The Great Rotunda – a silo shaped dome with its ceiling 107 feet above the cave floor. The Great Rotunda was once the farthest point reached from the original entrance of what was then known as Howe’s Cave, discovered by Lester Howe on May 22, 1842. On Lester Howe’s torch lit tours it would have taken up to five hours to reach The Great Rotunda where he reportedly fired flares and Roman candles high up into the dome in order to see the top. On the Adventure Tours, guests will be outfitted with coveralls, boots, gloves, knee pads, a helmet and light. Guests will access The Great Rotunda by crawli ng through Mystery Passage to enter the newly opened portions of the cave. The “all natural” Adventure Tour experience will exc eed two hours and two tours per day will be scheduled. Reservations will be required and the Adventure Tour fee will be $100 per person. NSS NEWS The June 2005 NSS Journal prominently features several NCA members and friends. Gary Soule is pictured holding the rock which pinned Floyd Collins, eventually leading to his death, in February 1925 in Sand Cave. Photos of Black Chasm Cavern and Hidden River Cave are both featured in Honorable Mention photos in the 2004 Slide and Photo Salon. NSS Foundation President, Jeanne Gurnee’s article heralds the 40th anniversary of the NSS Foundation, incorporated in 1964 and currently the overseer of funds in excess of $3,000,000. The Foundation was formed “exclusively for the scientific, literary or educational purposes serving the science of speleology and the conservation of caves. And, Desoto Ca verns is the site of a University of Alabama study of speleothems to study climate changes in the area. Congratulations to all for their prominence in this prestigious publication. CONGRATULATIONS ……… Travis Wuest, Natural Bridge Caverns, TX on his recent marriage. His new wife, Jennifer, works in sales for a pharmaceutical firm. Travis and Jennifer were married June 18. ……… Ric Toomey, new director of the Mammoth Cave Center for Science and Learning, a research partnership between Mammoth Cave National Park and Western Kentucky University. Ric came to MCNP from Arizona State Parks, where he served as the state science and research director. GRANT AWARDED The Missouri Caves Association has received a $10,000.00 grant to promote the Cave State. Fourteen billboards will be leased with the funds from this matching funds grant. The message “Explore Missouri the Cave State” will be displayed with the association’s website, CONVENTION 2005 Have you made your reservations for this fall’s annual meeting? Your hosts have had to add Saturday, October 15 to the block of rooms. There have been enough attendees wanting to arrive on Saturday night to warrant the Holiday Inn giving the discounted rate for that evening also. Registration forms will be going out in July. Hopefully, we will be able to register online for those who wish to do so. JUST FOR FUN Consumers will soon have the opportunity to personalize their M&M’s with special slogans or saying. Masterfoods USA said the lines can be printed on 13 new colors but product names, trademarks, religious/political phrases and objectionable words will be prohibited. “My M&M’s” will be rolled out for the holidays and Super Bowl, according to Masterfoods, and will be a regular line. Order online at or call 888-696-6788.


Napa-based Bacchus Caves is one of a handful of companies that constructs holes in the ground. Their contracts used to be with wineries, building caves to store fermenting grapes. Today, some 60% of their clients are homeowners! Dave Provost, Bacchus owner, says they will do about 13 caves for individuals this year. One homeowner is putting a spa in his 3,000 squar e foot cave. Another wants a cave for a pool table, bar and a place to get together with friends. According to USA Today, May 20, cave building could well emerge as the next great trend – it’s economical ($150 per square foot vs.$500), it’s “green”, it’s easier to get building permits for and more likely to “wow” than annoy neighbors! FINAL THOUGHTS Ah, summer……the editor’s favorite season! Summer is the time when one sheds one’s tensions with on e’s clothes and the right kind of day is jeweled balm for the battered spirit. A few of those days and you can become drunk with the belief that all’s right with the world. Ada Louise Huxtable Summer afternoon – summer afternoon; to me those have always bee the two most beautiful words in the English language. Henry James A perfect summer day is when the sun is shining, the breeze is blowing, the birds are singing and the lawn mower is broken. James Dent

Cave Talk is a
publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit
trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private
show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring
together show cave owners and operators from across the United
States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to
share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation
favorable to the show cave industry.


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