Cave Talk

Cave Talk

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Cave Talk
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Cave Talk
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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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Diane Thompson Coordinato r 92 Hidden Drive, Camdenton, MO 65020 diane 573 836 2256 March 2011 From the Desk of the NCA Pres id ent Dear Members, Hopefully by the time you read this we will all be busy with Spring Breakers or School kids! The NCA recently held its mid winter meetings in St. Louis at the beginning of March and spent 2 days working very hard on your behalf. I would first like to thank the Regional Directors and Committee members who attended for all their input and efforts. They all go to great personal expense (both time and money) to help enhance our organization. Please contacting them at any time with input or concerns and look forward to website as Diane has worked diligently over the past few months at updating and general housekeeping of the site. You will also be able to find updates from our mid winter meeting as well as some exciting committee news. I would also like to share with everyone that we are in the final phase of the Coordinator/Office transition. Effective immediately Dia ne is taking care of all day to day operations of NCA and Susan will continue her efforts coordinating the Luray Convention. Over the past 18 months both of these ladies have worked very hard making this as seamless as possible. I would like to personall y thank them both as I know many extra hours have been put in on behalf of the organization. Finally, even with higher fuel prices I continue to remain optimistic with regards to 2011 visitation. My sincere hope is that attendance will be high to our won derful Natural Resources. Best Regards, Eric Evans President, NCA OFFICERS President : Eric Evans Ohio Caverns, OH Ph: 937 465 4017 Vice President : Greg Beckler N atural Stone Bridge & Cave NY Ph: 518 494 2283 Secretary Treasurer : Susan Berdeaux Diamond Caverns, KY Ph: 270 749 2228 Past President : Steve Thompson Bridal Cave, MO Ph: 573 346 2676 Coordinator : Diane Thompson Camdenton, MO Ph: 573 836 2256 REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) Bob Holt Howe Caverns, NY Ph: 518 296 8900 Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) Rod Graves Luray Caverns, VA Ph: 540 743 6551 Region Three : (IL,IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN Ph: 812 732 4382 Region Four : ( AR, IA, KS, MO, NE) Steve Thompson Bridal Cave, MO Ph: 573 346 2676 Region Five : (MN, MT, ND, SD, WI) Joe Klimczak Cave of the Mounds, WI Ph: 608 437 3038 Region Six : (CA, ID, NV, OR, WA, AK, HI, Bermuda, International) Steve Rawlings Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 209 728 2101 Region Seven : (AZ, CO, NM, UT, WY) Steve Runkle Cave of the Winds, CO Ph: 719 685 5444 Region Eight : (LA, OK, TX) Michelle Devaney Longhorn Caverns, TX Ph: 830 598 CAVE Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, MS, NC, SC, TN,) Patty Perlaky Raccoon Mt. Caverns, TN Ph: 423 821 9403


Air Quality Committee Steve Runkle & Steve Thompson report that 31 members have been recertified to date with 6 more pending approval. That puts us at a half way point in getting all of the members recertified. Please check your Alpha Radiation book and send them to Steve Runkle or Steve T hompson as soon as possible if your plan needs recertified The NCA requests you do not send your plans directly to Ozark Underground Lab with out being reviewed by the Air Quality Committee first. Steve Thompson Convention Committee During the NCA Mid winter Meeting, Susan Berdeaux was appointed by the Board of Directors as Convention Committee Chair. Finance Committee The finance committee has been appointed. The two members at large are Matt Doyle and Dennis Boyer along with the Executive Committee. Low Cost Gift Shop Merchandising & Webinars Hope your winter has been a productive one. q. f t. to our gift shop and look forward to find a series of helpful webinars to grow your Facebook presence. I have my notes from the last webinar if anyone would be interested in looking them over, please contact me. cost gift shop merchandising. The author Linda Cahan might make an excellent speaker for the 2011 or 2012 meeting. Check her out at Rho Lansden Friends of the Lost River Inc. Office 270 393 0077 / Fax 393 0076 Membership Committee Membership Committee reminds everyone to remember the NCA Affiliate Membership when ordering from Vendors. The Membership is only $300 for the vendor and a big benefit to the NCA. Steve Thompson


Public Relations Committee C app, a new website and counter top brochure racks for NCA brochures. Details to follow shortly. es out to Steve Runkle for his donation of $500 (in the name of Lou Carey ) to the Public Steve Thompson Retail Committee Spring is almost here and I bet most of us are rather excited to see the snow melt away! The retail committee just Awareness Bracelets: have been ordered and should be here by mid May. We did correct the saying for this letters are actually cut into the bracelet. I f you would like to order some for your cave gift shop please just send Claudia an e mail, You can get them in any quantity and they will be .55 cents each, same as last year! Gift Show Update: The IGES (Sevierville) show will be Nov. 3 7, 2011. Smoky Mountain Gift Show (Gatlinburg) show will be Nov. 4 7, 2011. The Smoky Mountain show has been bought by Urban which owns several other gift shows across the U.S. We have not heard things in the future. When you make your plans to visit the two Tennessee gift shows please keep in mind that the IGES th IGES will be providing us a shuttle from the Event Center to Partridge and Pear Restaurant in Pigeon Forge. Traffic on Fridays is pretty bad so they will be taking us there via shuttle and back roads (much quicker). Penny Books: The NCA Penny books for y our penny press machines are available. Please get with Diane to order! We have plenty in stock and ready to ship to you! NCA Playing Cards: have been redone and Impact is ready to take your orders. You can contact them at Impact Photographics 800 95 0 0110 ext 19 ( Matt will be your contact ) You can also e mail him at The cards come in groups of 40 at $2.10 per pack. Impact also has other items that are cave related, just ask Matt when you call. is growing every month. If you have not joined us yet and you would like to join, just drop Claudia an e shop buyers to share information and ask questions! Have a wonderful spring!! Claudia Yundt Website: Two new documents are now available on the website under the WNS icon: Bats Matter The Education Committee produced a document that could be used for WNS training for guides specifically geared towards students. Ann Wescott did an excellent job putt ing this together. Life Without Bats? Help us Protect Them A b rochure for your guests.


Wisconsin WNS M isadventure Dear Cave Colleagues, As I prepare for our busy s eason and spring visitors begin to arrive, I am reminded that I am lucky to be having a season at all. Here in Wisconsin, Cave of the Mounds along with Crystal Cave, have recently faced a serious threat to close our businesses because of WNS regulations. After many long hours of work, and more than $20,000 in legal fees we have re ached an agreement with the Wisconsin DNR that will allow us to continue our operations without much serious change. I hope that my experience can serve some purpose by helping my fellow NCA members if / when they find themselves in a similar situation. O ur successful efforts would not have been possible without credibility conveyed by our NCA membership, the technical expertise from the NCA WNS and executive committees along with the generous legal defense contributions from some individual NCA members. In addition, our existing relationships with DNR staff members and our local caving community were invaluable in providing us an inside track. Finally, we hired an attorney who specializes in natural resources law. I would urge every NCA member to stay i nformed about local WNS developments, maintain professional relationships with potential allies and continue involvement with the NCA as quick reaction will be necessary when WNS regulation comes your way. I would never have guessed that Wisconsin would be the first place where the closing of commercial caves would be proposed, but unfortunately that is what happened. First in September 2010, the Wisconsin DNR named Geomyces destructans (Gd the fungus associated with WNS) as an invasive species and list ed the four Wisconsin bat species as threatened. Next, in October there was a proposal for an emergency rule to either close all caves to people and / or bats with a provision for some to require decontamination of visitors where they would allow visitati on. Even though Cave of the Mounds has never been bat habitat, this rule would apply because the cave could be an incubator for Gd. So, the lack of a bat habitat is not insurance against regulation! In both these cases, the actual rules were posted just a day before the board meeting where the adoption was to take place. Clearly such short notice makes opposition very difficult, and this is where professional relationships with your State Department of Natural Resources staff, U.S. Fish and Wildlife per sonnel and caving community are invaluable. Through our contacts we were able to mount an opposition and delay enactment of this rule for commercial caves. During this respite we worked with DNR staff to negotiate cave specific management plans regarding bats and visitors. These plans allowed us to work with DNR staff in a less adversarial way to propose solutions that account for the varying conditions at different caves. In addition we worked to change the tenor of discussions to convince them that Show Caves are working to solve this problem and can be an important tool to educate the public about this issue. For this reason, I urge all members that are making contributions towards WNS education and research to notify the NCA office of the details so that we may all take credit as a group for the work we are doing. Our DNR has without potential harm to bats. Another important item was to change the language of discussion; for example, spread to an uninfected cave. In the end, our negotiations with the DNR led to the Wisconsin NCA caves rece iving formal exemptions from the new regulations based upon us following our management plans. Our Wisconsin WNS misadventure is hopefully done for now, but I am afraid that other NCA caves will be facing similar struggles. I urge everyone to follow the updates from the NCA and form relationships locally so that the eventual regulations will not adversely affect your operations. Best wishes for a successful season Joe Klimczak Cave of the Mounds, National Natural Landmark


In Loving Memory Richard Bell November 05, 1928 March 29, 2011 Bellevue, Ohio It is with great sadness I write to inform you of the death of Richard 'Dick' Bell March 29. He had been ill over this winter during he and Denise's annual stay in Florida. When it became clear that Dick needed to get back to Ohio, thru the generosity of both the Graves and NCA families, Dick was flown home this past Saturday. Dick's passing is a profound loss for all of us, professionally and personally. He will be greatly missed by many people. There will be a huge void at our meeting this fall. His love for Denise, Seneca Caverns and the NCA was apparent to all and his spirit will live on. Please keep Denise, and the rest of Dick's family, in your thoughts and prayers. Susa n Berdeaux

Cave Talk is a
publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit
trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private
show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring
together show cave owners and operators from across the United
States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to
share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation
favorable to the show cave industry.


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