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Robert A. Holt PO Box 625, Cobleskill, NY 12043 E xecutive Director Phone: 573 836 2256 E mail: April 2013 Message from the President Another week with most of the country below normal temperatures for this time of year and another storm passing through the mid section of the country (sorry Eric Evans!). I Enjoy another full issue of Cave Talk thanks everyone for sending in the article s keep them coming! This issue includes submissions from NCA members, Committee Chairs and cave relevant Associations, each with interesting observations, requests or information. For example, Steve Beckley described a new tour at Glenwood Caverns with old lighting (from 1897) that provides contrast to modern LEDs. What an IDEA: If you are considering putting in new LED lights leave th e advantages of the new energy saving lighting. The NCA Officers, Directors and Committee Chairs accomplished much at our mid winter meeting (see the following summery) including the approval for the development of a brand new NCA website. If you have an y suggestions, send them to our Electronic Media Committee Chair Ed Mayfield. Please welcome a new NCA member, Natural Bridge Caverns of Virginia! KMF (Keep Moving Forward), Greg Beckler NCA President Cartoon o riginally published in the predecessor newsletter to Cave Talk. OFFICERS President : Greg Beckler N atural Stone Bridge & Cave s NY Ph: 518 494 2283 Vice President : Steve Rawlings Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 209 728 2101 Secretary Treasurer : Bob Holt Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 573 836 2256 Past President : Eric Evans Ohio Caverns, OH Ph: 937 465 4017 REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) Rob Arey Polar Caves Park NH Ph: 603 536 1888 Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) Rho Lansden Lost River Cave & Valley, KY Ph: 540 743 6551 Region Three : (IL, IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN Ph: 812 732 4382 Region Four : (AR, IA, KS, MO, NE) Steve Thompson Bridal Cave, MO steve@brid Ph: 573 346 2676 Region Five : (MN, MT, ND, SD, WI) Joe Klimczak Cave of the Mounds, WI Ph: 608 437 3038 Region Six : (CA, ID, NV, OR, WA, AK, HI, Barbados, Bermuda) Matt Doyle Lake Shasta Caverns, CA Ph: 800 795 CAVE Region Seven : (AZ, CO, NM, UT, WY) Steve Runkle Cave of the Winds, CO Ph: 719 685 5444 Region Eight : (LA, OK, TX) Ed Mayfield Caverns of Sonora, TX Ph: 325 387 3105 Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, MS, NC, SC, TN,) Patty Perlaky Raccoon Mt. Caverns, TN Ph: 423 821 9403


G lenwood Caverns Adventure Park Expands Cave Tours Historic Fairy Caves Tour Step back in time and experience the rich history and beauty of the upper section of Glenwood Caverns in Glenwood Springs, Colorado. This new guided walking tour, which is twice the length of the original tour of this section, takes you through the discovery and development of the original Fairy Caves. Recreated period lighting from when the caves were originally lit in 1897 provides an interesting contrast to state of the art, energy saving LEDs. Walk through rooms discovered in the 1950s that until now could only be accessed by crawling on a Wild Tour, plus areas never before s een by the public. Experience the rich colors in the ceiling of the Register Room and enjoy the pendants, boxwork formations and den beneath the surface of Iron Mountain! This guided walking tour of the lower section of Glenwood Caverns begins in The Barn, a two hundred foot long chamber with fiery red walls largest cave room in Colorado. Row, the most highly decorated cave room in the state. Filled with cave formations such as stalactites, stalagmites, soda straws and cave kingly beautiful. A staged On the lighted walkway to hear stories and cave legends, learn a bout the geology and c atch your breath if needed. The cost is $25 for adults, $20 for kids ages three to 12, and includes both tours. The tours will also be included in the park's Funday Pass, which provides a ride on the Iron Mountain Tramway and unlimited access to most of the park's rides and attractions. The new cave tour is scheduled to open in May. Steve Beckley Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park Work u nderground in Glenwood Caverns preparing for new tours Glenwood Caverns Fairy Caves


C ommittee Report Highlights fro m the Mid Winter Meeting Your Board of Directors and Committee members gathered for three days in St. Louis in late February for our annual gathering. Committee Chairs have brief reports they would like to share with you. Thanks to Susan Berdeaux who took care of all the arrangements for us at the St. Louis Renaissance Airport Hotel. P ublic R elations Committee Report by Steve Thompson Please check them out. Just an FYI. Check your listing on the apps. If you want to make changes you may do so on the NCA website. The apps refresh every 30 days. Also FREE! You may pick yours up at the fall NCA convention or if you wish we can ship them to you now (Shipping Charges Apply) Air Quality Com mittee R eport by Steve Thompson Progress slowly continues on the recertification of the Alpha Radiation Binders. If you r plan has not been recertified pl ease contact Steve Runkle at Cave of the Winds or Steve Thompson at Bridal Cave. Retail Committee Report by Claudia Yundt Two new affiliate members were accepted Laser Gifts & Heritage Cards (pending the payment). The 2013 vendor show is filling up quickly. Hoping for a complete sell out (Note: March CT had a detailed report) Finance Committee Report by Bob Holt The As sociation is financially sound. Looking at ways where extra cash on hand could be pulled from the savings/checking accounts and invested in some short term investments. Directors t hought that maybe some money could be set aside and used in a national marke ting campaign. Electronic Media: Report by Ed Mayfield A pproved funds for a new website for the NCA. We hope to make the NCA site more relevant, easier to use, and up to date. The NCA F acebook group page is off to a good start but could always u se more input so if you are on F acebook and would like to get involved let us know. We als o decided that the NCA needs a Twitter account and possible a P interest account as well. The iphone and android app "America's Best Showcaves" are available for do wnload, please download the app and check your cave's information to insure the information is correct. It is currently using the information from the NCA member side of the website so that is where one would go to update their info. Several caves showca sed their virtual tours and it is a great way to showcase your business to prospective customers. It c an be imbed into your website, Facebook page and G oogle places page. Here is a link if you'd like more information on how to get started. This allows you to search for photographers in your state, some of which are G oogle certified. We did this at Caverns of Sonora and it was very low cost. C onvention Committee Report by Susan Berdeaux Steve Thompson and Susan Berdeaux met at the midwinter meeting to finalize details for our fall meeting. Steve and his staff at Bridal Cave are planning a great convention for us this year. Best part? No buses !!! Susan has also been working with Grant Carey, Cave of the Winds CO, for our 2014 reunion and Cave of the Mounds is beginning the process for 2015. More details will be provided about our MO meeting after spring break. For now, mark your calendar fo r Oct 14 18. Camden on the Lake is our host hotel and our room block is open for reservations. 888 365 5620. And while you have your calendar out, we will be in CO 9/29 10/3 Get Well Wishes We would like to extend get well wishes to Steve Runkle and Steve Thompson who have been feeling a bit under the weather since our last writing.


White Nose Syndrome Report Hello Everyone! The monthly WNS report will now be a part of Cave Talk! With winter ending new reports of WNS are being reported: It has been confirmed in South Carolina at Table Rock State Park in a tricolor bat that was found dead. The bat colony is in a remote portion of the park not accessible to the public. In Georgia it has been found in bats in a cave in Chickamauga National Military Park and in Sittons Cave in Cloudland Canyon State Park. In research news, the forest service announced the development of a DNA based technique for early detection of the fungus on bats, cave walls and in soils. Patty Perlaky WNS Committee Chair NCA Insurance Committee Report Hello NCA Members! Your Insurance Committee has been working to make your Group Insurance Program the best it can be FOR YOU! In early February our underwriter, Markel Insurance Company. The meeting took place at Natural Bridge Caverns in Texas where we had the opportunit y to several it was their 1 st or 2 nd time in a show cave and we even got everyone up on our new ropes course and zip lines, the Canopy Challenge! By the way Keit ongoing commitment to the NCA is very clear. Later in February your Insurance Committee met at our mid winter meeting in St. Louis Missouri. Amon g other things we discussed our ent insurance program at discounted rates, I encourage you to give Keith and Pat the opportunity to provide you with a quote. Chances are the NCA can provide you with better insurance coverage at a better value. qualifying show of Directors and the Board approved opening up the Insurance Program to QUALIFYING non NCA members to help grow the size of our program which wil l benefit everyone who participates. Markel Insurance Company has agreed to provide insurance to these show caves at a Non discounted rate. As NCA Members we receive a special discount on our insurance. This new development also provides an opportunity to help meet another important need to grow membership in the NCA. There are many show caves around the country that can meet our membership standards but for one reason or another discontinued their a quote these caves will see how much savings they could receive if they become an NCA Member. And hopefully they will make the smart business decision to join NCA! To market our NCA Insurance Program this year we have decided to hold several regional di nners followed by meetings with individual caves. And the first will be held in Luray Virginia at the Mimslyn Inn April 18 th So for those of you in the area who are not yet taking vitation. We look forward to seeing you and providing a great dinner! And lastly for my report we will be rolling out some online training and webinars which are free and for all NCA members. St ay tuned for dates and times. I wish all of you a wonderfu l Spring S eason and May God Bless. Brad Wuest Insurance Committee Chair


It is with tremendous amount of sadness and regret that I must advise you that Giannis (John) Zalavras, the Manager of Perama Cave in Ioannina, Greece, has been killed. I am advised that on Monday 26th November 2012, a man walked into the offices of the Perama Cave and killed Giannis by gun shots. The murderer then killed himself. All that is known about the killer at this time is that he worked at the Municipality of Ioannina, had psychological problems, was drinking and 55 years old. was buried on Tuesday 27th November 2012. Many of our members will remember Giannis from ISCA meetings of past years. Those who attended the recently concluded Conference 2012, held in Greece and Turkey, will certainly remember him as he was instrumental in organizing the Greek portion of the Conference. We have all lost a great friend and colleague as a result of this heinous crime. A young man filled with such promise in a person so young. Our association has lost a tremendous ambassador and the loss to his family and Perama Cave is simply enormous. I have written a formal condolence letter to Gogos on behalf of ISCA, but it was not possible to say everyth ing that I wanted to say in such a letter. A copy of this letter is attached. Many of you, who are already aware of this tragedy, have asked that there be some way that we can help the family of Giannis through these dark times. In response to this, we a re setting up an account, that those of you wishing to donate money to such a fund, may do so. Having regard for the practices around the world, it seems that I am in one of the best countries to do this, without having excessive charges being applied to the account. om it. Carol Lisa Roberts, my A dministrative Assistant, is also a signatory and is named on this account. This account will be able to accept euros and other currencies together with wire transfers. Information regarding this account, including wire transfer data, wi ll be provided in a The method that is intended to be used to operate this account, is that the identity of the donors and the amount of donation s will only be known by Renata and myself. The total am ount in the fund will be shared with Heinz and Brad each month, just in the event that something happens to me. January or Februa ry 2013. It is hoped that this personal delivery will initiate, or spur, further donations in the Ioannina area. ISCA President David Summers Travels to Ioannina in Greece Over the 9/11 March 2013 ISCA President David Summers travelled to Ioannina in Greece to meet with Marina Michou and her son Charalamdos Zalavaras, the wife and son of the late Giannis Zalvaras. For the benefit of our international members it is appropriate for me to mention that it is sometimes customary in Greece for wives to keep Meeting Marina and her son was an absolute delight. Marina was surrounded by carrying family members, namely her mother and cousin Fotini Tsiami, and the equally caring members of Perama Cave. I did not have the opportunity to meet Marina during the recent ISCA Conference in Greece, due to my need to leave the Conference early, as a result of the passing of Mrs. Josephine Wilkinson Gould, th e owner of The Crystal Caves of Bermuda. During my meeting with Marina I conveyed the many, many good wishes from our members that had been relayed to her through myself. I was also able to make the initial distribution of funds to Marina. We have a good plan worked out for the remainder to be se nt. During my visit to Ioannina I was incredibly well looked after by President Konstantinos Gogos of Perama Cave and his wife Ju lia Gogou, and Vaso Mpintevi, who was my personal translator and aide. They were very ably assisted by George Kakos, Vassilis Milionis, Panagiota Zigra and Sotiris Ziakas. President Konstantinos Gogos showed me the excellent plans that are proposed for the vill age of Perama. They are sound, and will be of great benefit for the village of Perama. It is an excellent example of good positive planning. ISCA P resident David Summers, M arina Mi chou and President Konstantinos Gogos, President of Perama Cave. Giannis Zalavras


I was finally able to tour Perama Cave, escorted by Vassilis Milionis. We were able to review plans for Perama Cave, to rebui ld the economic fortunes of the Caves, with President Gogos. As usual, these discussions were wide ranging. On my way to Ioannina I was also able to stop off in Athens and catch up with our good friends Vassilis Giannopoulos, his wif e Sissy Kontaxi and Eleni Stravopodi. Eleni, who had been my translator during the meetings in Greece in 2007, has recently complet ed her Ph.D. programme. Congratulations to Eleni. The Memorial account in Bermuda is still open. The funds are, however, in the process of being sent to their final destinatio n. Those who want to send a contribution, and have not already done so, are enc ouraged to do so. It is anticipated that the account will be closed at the end of May 2013. I join with all of our members in sending our thoughts and very best wishes to Marina and her son Charalamdos. In travelling to Ioannina, it was a great comfort to me to know that so many of you were with me in spirit. I thank you all. David Summers ISCA President The Australasian Cave and KARST Management Association, Inc. A TRANS NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF SHOW CAVES, MANAGERS, GUIDES, SCIENTISTS AND CAVERS The Australasian Cave and Karst Management Association Inc (ACKMA) was founded in 19B7 arising from a previous series of six biennial cave tourism and management conferences under the auspices of the Australian Speleological Federation (ASF) and agen cies o f various governments. Before 1987 the impetus for the cave and tourism conferences was largely from interested individuals b ut increasingly management agencies, and more importantly their staff, realized that cave and karst management needed a separate vo ice away from recreational cavers. ACKMA has become a very effective and active organization. Whilst its membership of about 250 is largely drawn from Australia and New Zealand, it also has members in Britain, Europe, C anada, the United States, South Ko rea, Malaysia, South Africa, and the Middle East. It convenes formal conferences every two years. In intervening years well attended business meetings are held, normally in Australia, although a recent meeting was held at Mulu Caves Sarawak, Malaysia in Ap ril 2010. Nearly one third of the membership attended that meeting! The Association publishes a well illustrated and informative journal four times a year. This normally runs to about 48 pages and includes scientific articles, educational material as well as news and events from its members and their institutions illustrated with black and white and colour images. Its website ( ) provides information about the Association including publications, conference inf ormation and useful links. ACKMA also supports biennial cave guide workshops, which usually run for 3 5 days. These are opportunities for cave guides to meet and exchange ideas about guiding, interact with cave scientists and to promote one another's prod ucts so that the show cave environment of Australia, New Zealand and beyond are co promoted. ACKMA and its members are involved in consultancies providing assistance and advice in fields such as cave lighting, show cave development, cave and karst interpre tation, landscape rehabilitation on karst terrains and on karst groundwater issues in Australasia, Asia, Africa, Europe and the USA. e of British Columbia in legislating for their recent, and innovative, karst management legislation! ACMKA is an Associate Member of the International Show Caves Association, the National Caves Association, the American Cave Conservation Association and B at Conservation International amongst other international institutions. The interdisciplinary and international links and the fact that ACMA successfully involves cave guides, national park rangers, recreational cavers, sci entists, cave managers, educators and others from across the world in better managing caves and karst makes it a remarkably unusual and effective trans national organization. Andy Spate International Relations Officer, ACKMA (email: ) -Sponsored by Lost River Caverns Lost River Caverns has six dozen Pennsylvania rocks and minerals on loan exhibit runs March 7 through May 26, and is free: Noon to Five, Thursday Saturday.Location: The Gertrude B. Fox Environmental Center, 100 Illick's Mill Road, Bethlehem, PA 18017. Beverly Rozewicz Lost River Caverns


"Laser Gifts is pleased to announce our recent approval as an affiliate member of the National Cave Association. Over the last few years we have developed some wonderful vendor/member relationships with many of the NCA facilities, and we feel strongly that by being members, and supporting the overall mission of the organization, an even stronger relationship can be establishe d with all facility members. Laser Gifts has a wealth of product that profitably fit your retail stores, and we continue to create new and exciting products on a regular basis. As new vendor affiliate members, we will be extending to each of you a appealing. We will assemble the necessary information, and send this to all of you within the next 2 weeks. If you should have any questions about Laser Gifts, or wish to enquire about our current relationships with other NCA member facilities, please feel free to give me a call." Daniel Radillo 928 776 4430 ext. 209 National Speleological Society's Youth Group Liaison Committee I'm Allen Maddox, the Chair for the National Speleo logical Society's Youth Group Liaison Committee. We get a lot of requests for information from youth organizations, especially Scouts, about caving. One of the bits of advice we give is first visit a com mercial cave. I've tried to provide links on our web site to commercial caves in different States. I've noticed that some commercial caves have great activities for specific youth groups posted on their web sites. I would li ke to promote these to our target audience. I'm going to be putting together a "calen dar" of sorts on my blog ( ) that will be updated weekly with events. But I'm afraid I may miss something just doing the search myself. If there is a way to co mmunicate with all the commercial caves nationally to let them send in their activities I would like to give them all an opportunity to be listed. I'm not sure if this is something that can be done, but I thought I'd ask and find out. Looking forward to hearing from you, Allen Maddox Co smic Caverns Looking for Hidden Waterfall We've been looking for a passage near the entrance of our cave that has a hidden waterfall in the wet season. Two years ago, after 17" rain, we felt the wall shaking and knew there was a vertical drop off behind the wall somewhere because of the velocity of the water and the roar we heard. So far we have dug 10 feet in the direction of the sound, and nothing yet. Stay tuned. Also Anita and I went to War Eagle Cavern and helped Dennis this winter to blast a 110 ft. passage to make it big enough to add an immense area of the cave to the tour. Roy Davis and Steve Turner did the removal, while I did most of the explosives. All in all we shot 156 sticks (just a few at a time) and made a 3 Ft tall passage into a 10 ft tall 12 ft wide passage that follows a stream bed. Roy and Steve are now helping Johnny Morris to enlarge Jones Cave just south of Branson to wire it for private use. It is part of Big Cedar Lodge property and this is a large vertical cave. Wh en I was up there last month, several guys were on scaffolding making their own formations. They looked very real. Randy Lang h over Cosmic Caverns S hould You Be Interested Roger Hartley, owner of Appalachian Caverns would like our members to know that Appalachian Caverns is going to be on the market for sale for the next four months. I have some issues with my parents health so I w ger. I do have a local agent listing it so if you or any of the members may know of someone looking to get into the business, please have them contact me directly. Roger may even go partner s with someone that can be on site to operate the business.


Research Question from Fantastic Caverns While doing research on our property I discovered a series of articles in the Springfield newspaper discussing the Grand Reopening of the caverns. Oral history of the property never mentioned a business venture here in the late 1880's through the early 1900's. So not only was this a surprise to us but several of the y called it, and the cave were both electrically lit. This series of articles was written in the summer of 1887 and mentioned regularly the "electric light plant". One article states that this is "one of only 3 caves in the United States to be wired for electricity". So that leads me to a question I would like to offer to our members. Is that statement accurate ? W ere there in deed only 3 caves i n the U.S. that could be toured with the aid of light bulbs in 1887? The photo of the Lodge is the only one we know of in existence. It is poor quality taken from the front of the brochure that was used in 1948 and 1949ish. Bob Bogart operated the cave for a couple of years and produced it. We know the people that owned the property back into the late teens and they had no photos of the building itself. I don't know if Dad ever though t to ask The Bogarts if they had any photograph s from that era... The other photo is of the structure being taken down in the early to mid 50's. The property al so had running water supplied by a cistern. Also in 1887, (app arently this was quite a deal), the property was located about 10 miles outside of Springfield and at the time and the city was still using gas lighting. If anyone can help me solve this myster y, I would appreciate any responses to me via email at Thank you for the consideration, Jeff Campbell Fantastic Caverns Follow Up Story on LED Lights Installed in Grand Caverns the LED lights that we installed last year and are finishing this year. We replaced all 300 of our PAR 38s with LED lights last February and I just finished doing a cost analysis. We paid less for electricity in the cave for the entire 2012 year than we d id for 6 months in 2011 with the old fixtures, so our consumption is less than half of previous with the old fixtures. We received an energy grant so the cost of fixtures and bulbs have not been taken into consideration. We are almost finished installing the new LED walkway fixtures which replaces the very ugly fluorescent walkway lights that some folks may remember from their tours in 2011. The storm has slowed us down a bit since now our maintenance staff is concentrating on storm clean up. I am not sure this will be a large savings as far as consumption, but they do look so much better! Even our guests have commented on them. As far as algae and LEDs, I am not seeing a lot of improvement. We went with the 2700 3000k spectrum, so algae is still a problem (maybe not quite as bad as previous), but we did not want the blue that you get with the lower spectrum LEDs. Lettie Stickley Grand Caverns The Lodge a t Fantastic Caverns. (C opy from a late 1940's brochure). Below, the building was removed


News from National Cave and Karst Research Institute Dear Friends, Sinkholes have been in the news a lot rece ntly and were featured on National Public Radio (NPR). On March 20 the Diane Rehm show had a 50 minute segment on the topic, featuring Randy Orndorff of the U.S. Geological Survey, a past NCKRI board member. Listen to the show by going to http://thedianerehmsh 03 20/science sinkholes On March 22 Talk of the Nation You can hear that 17 minute interview at 21 2013 after a 1 minute news summary. Both interviews are excellent summaries of the topic and the science involving them. As a reminder, NCKRI is hosting the 13 th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst (aka, The Sinkhole Conference ) on 6 tremendous opportunity to learn about how sinkholes form and to learn the latest and greatest engineering and geological science to prevent and remediate them. For more information about this interna tional event, and to register for the conference and its field trips and short courses, visit National Cave and Karst Management Symposium in November Online registration is now open for the 20 th National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS)! The conference will be in Carlsbad, New Mexico, on 4 8 November 2013. NCKMS covers all fields of cave and karst management (geology, biology, legal, show caves, restoration, and more) and is an excellent forum to exchange ideas and network within and between those topic areas. Below are several important news items and updates. The host team, comprised of the National Cave and Karst Research Institute, and the Carlsbad offices of the Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, and US Forest Service, has put together what I believe is the most diverse and exciting se t of workshops and field trips ever offered at an NCKMS. The team has also worked hard to keep registration at the same low pr ice as the last NCKMS two years ago. For all of the details and to register, visit ore the old website address, which we will take down soon. This website not only looks nicer, but has more effective tools, navigation, and information. If you are considering giving a paper, and we hope you are, notice that the abstract deadline has been removed. The Organizin g Committee decided abstracts were an unnecessary extra step for you and for us. We also have heard many of your concerns that NCKM S should publish papers, not abstracts, and to publish them in a timely fashion. The deadline for papers is 1 June 2013; pape rs are requested but extended abstracts will be considered. That deadline is firm. We are committed to having the proceedings re ady for distribution when you arrive at NCKMS. Note that the proceedings will be provided digitally to everyone as part of their registration fees. A limited number of prin ted copies will be available to those who order them by mid an exact deadline yet). We will print a few extra, but to guarantee you get a printed copy, make sure you order one. a year, occu pancy of Carlsbad hotels is generally exceeding 95% every day. It is often impossible to find a room at the last minute, and if you do, you will find it very expensive. Reserve your rooms now while they are available at good prices. If you need a little f information on possible assistance. Lastly, we encourage any interested organizations or individuals to co sponsor NCKMS. It will not only help improve what will be a great r the h ttp:// On behalf of everyone on the Organizing Committee, we look forward to seeing you at NCKMS in November! Please share this message with anyone you think may be interested. Thank you, George Veni, Ph.D. E xecutive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute


e 1970 WE N EED YOUR HELP!! NCA Making History Countdown to Our 50 th Anniversary In 2015 the NCA will celebrate our 50 th Anniversary. Steve Rawlings and Bob Holt are heading up the History Committee. We are looking for photographs from conventions and photographs from your cave that might include some of our former and current members. The plan is to put together both a c ommemorative booklet and video for our big celebration. If you have such items that you would like to share, please scan them and send please send the originals and we will copy them and return th em to you. History Committee Chairmen Steve Rawlings Bob Holt Mark Your Calendar! The 13 th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst 2013, Carlsbad, New Mexico, May 6 10, 2013 International Congress of Speleology 2013, Brna Czech Republic, July 21 28, 2013 NSS Convention 2013, Shippensburg, Pennsylvania, August 5 9, 2013 NCA Convention 2013, Host: Bridal Cave, Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri, October 14 18, 2013 National Cave and Karst Management Symposium 2013, Carlsb ad, New Mexico, November 4 8, 2013 IGES/SSS 2013, Sevierville & Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, November 5 9, 2013 IAAPA 2013, Orlando, Florida, November 18 22, 2013 Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 2014, Tucson, Arizona, February 1 16, 2014 NCA Mid Winter Board of Directors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St. Louis, Missouri, March 3 5, 2014 NSS Convention 2014, NSS Headquarters, Huntsville, Alabama, July 14 18, 2014 NCA Convention 2014, Host: Cave of the Winds, Colorado Springs, Colo rado, September 29 October 3 2014 International Show Caves Association Congress 2014, Jenolan Caves, New South Wales, Australia, November 2 8, 2014 IGES/SSS 2014, Sevierville & Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, November 4 8, 2014 IAAPA 2014, Orlando, Florida, November 17 21, 2014 Got News? Please make sure you let Bob Holt know when you have news to share with the membership regarding you and your cave It is the goal of the NCA office to produce more issues of Cave Talk and this can only happen when you help with the sharing of your news. P lease send your articles, photographs to May 2013 Cave Talk Deadline Please have all articles to Bob Holt no later than April 15. Thank you. Bill Hounshell, Carl Gibson, Kenneth Cagle, Pete Hailey and Roy Davis make up the 1970 Convention Committee. The Convention was held in Gatlinburg, TN. Note: No women on the committee?! ?

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trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private
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