Cave Talk

Cave Talk

Material Information

Cave Talk
Series Title:
Cave Talk
George Veni ( suggested by )
National Cave Association
Publication Date:


Subjects / Keywords:
Resource Management ( local )
serial ( sobekcm )
United States


General Note:
Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
Open Access - Permission by Publisher
Original Version:
(July 2014)
General Note:
See Extended description for more information.

Record Information

Source Institution:
University of South Florida Library
Holding Location:
University of South Florida
Rights Management:
All applicable rights reserved by the source institution and holding location.
Resource Identifier:
K26-00905 ( USFLDC DOI )
k26.905 ( USFLDC Handle )
19421 ( karstportal - original NodeID )

USFLDC Membership

Added automatically
Karst Information Portal

Postcard Information



This item has the following downloads:

Full Text


Robert A. Holt PO Box 625, Cobleskill, NY 12043 E xecutive Director Phone: 573 836 2256 E mail: July 2014 Happy Summer! July is here and I certainly hope you all are profiting from your busy summer. I want to thank those of you who recently participated in the Spring Survey that I sent out. 31 of you took the time to answer the four questions. The first 3 dealt with attendance and per cap spending. The last question was in regard to your thoughts on t he possibility of a Bylaw change to create a new Membership category for Federal & State caves in hopes of bringing many back into the fold since we no longer have a requirement to participate in an Alpha Radiation program. These caves dropped membership b ecause of that program and because of budget cuts, they could no longer pay membership dues in various organizations. Your board has heard from some of you that it would be nice to see these caves back, however the caveat would be with no voting rights wit h a free membership. Some may choose to be paying members in order to be able to vote. We already have some State Parks who are dues paying members. Your board will take a serious look at a possible proposal and we will have discussion on this subject with you before a recommendation for an amendment is asked for. The results of this survey are found elsewhere in this issue. I certainly hope it is helpful for you to see what the cave industry has done across the country this spring. I appreciate your comme nts as to whether or not we should continue in this format...How much detail you want...Other questions...How often? Keep in mind we have had a monthly survey available on our old website, yet only a handful of you used it. Keep Busy... Make Money...Have Fu n! Bob Holt Executive Director Our All New Website Arriving V ery Soon! Stay Tuned... We Will Alert You. OFFICERS President : Steve Rawlings Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 209 728 2101 Vice President : Patty Perlaky Raccoon Mt. Caverns, TN Ph: 423 821 9403 Secretary Treasurer : Bob Holt Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 573 836 2256 Past President : Greg Beckler N atural Stone Bridge & Caves, NY Ph: 518 494 2283 et REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) Rob Arey Polar Caves Park NH Ph: 603 536 1888 Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) Rho Lansden Lost River Cave & Valley, KY Ph: 270 393 0077 Region Three : (IL, IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN Ph: 812 732 4382 Region Four : (AR, IA, KS, MO, NE) Dennis Boyer War Eagle Cavern, AR Ph: 479 789 2909 Region Five : (MN, MT, ND, SD, WI) Tom Hagen Rushmore Cave, SD Ph: 60 5 255 4467 Region Six : (CA, ID, NV, OR, WA, AK, HI, Barbados, Bermuda) Matt Doyle Lake Shasta Caverns, CA Ph: 800 795 CAVE Region Seven : (AZ, CO, NM, UT, WY) Steve Beckley Glenwood Caverns, CO Ph: 970 945 4CAV Region Eight : (LA, OK, TX) Ed Mayfield Caverns of Sonora, TX Ph: 325 387 3105 Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, MS, NC, SC, TN,) John Graves Luray Caverns, VA john.graves@luraycaverns. com Ph: 540 743 6551 Director s at Large Steve Runkle Cave of the Winds, CO Ph: 719 685 5444 Aaron Ginn Sierra Nevada Recreation, CA Ph: 209 736 2708


Learn About E cholocation A t u Features Onondaga Cave State Park Thanks to our friend Jennifer Rosson (formerly of Bluff Dwellers Cavern & Browning Museum) who posted this photo on her Faceb ook page. Jennifer says 1 500 miles away from Noel and Bluff Dwellers Cavern and still my friends "The Bats" make a appearance in El Cajon, CA on a Uhaul truck... Crazy huh????" The Language of Bats Revealed Onondaga Cave State Park The Red Bat The #138 image on the U Haul truck, representing the state of Missouri, has been created to help people learn about the complex communication systems used by bats, which reveal their dependence on echolocation and features the red bat, (Lasiurus boreali s). While al l microbats echolocate, the red bat's reputation is that of the cutest, friendliest looking bat, which is why its species is a good fit in representing the Missouri SuperGraphic, and also because some red bats call the trees in and around Onondaga Cave Sta te Park in Leesburg, Missouri, home. U sier, more cost effective way to move their household goods from one location to another t hroughout North America. Always in the pursuit of excellence, U Program was created 20 years ago as a salute to the United States and Canada. SuperGraphics have evolve d and grown in many ways, but the focus of the program giving thanks and paying tribute to North American communities remains the same. Quite simply, SuperGraphics are our way of giving back to the communities we serve. Venture Across America and Canada SuperGraphics Haul artists dream up and creatively place on vehicles. They are carefully researched rare findings, little known facts and mysteries that exist throughout the United States and Canada.


Mercer Caverns Rec ei ves TripAdvisor Certificate of Excellence Mercer Caverns was recently recognized by TripAdvisor with a Certificate of Excellence for 2014. The Certificate reads "TripAdvisor would like to congratulate Mercer Caverns on being awarded a 2014 Certificate of Excellence, signifying that it has consistently earned outstanding feedback from TripAdvisor travelers. This prestigious award is based on the quality of reviews and opinions you' ve earned on TripAdvisor over the past year." The staff of Mercer Caverns is honored to receive this prestigious award and will continue to strive to provide top notch service and a unique visitor experience to our guests. TripAdvisor is the world's largest travel site operating in 41 countries, reaching 260 million unique monthly visitors, and containing 150 million reviews and opinions covering 4 million accommodations, restaurants and attractions. Bluff Dwellers Cavern Welcomes New Manager Congratulations to Mary Jane Fischer who is now the new m anager at Bluff Dwellers She replaces Jennifer Rosson who has relocated to California. Welcome Mary Jane, we hope to meet you at convention! Facebook Post by Hugh Morrow Fantastic job by our marketing group (R&R Marketing) and Chattanooga's Papercut Interactive, on two of our new websites and It has been a long process but well worth the wait! Spectacular and I hope everyone will visit the sites to see their great work. Bridal Cave Uses Google 360 Bridal Cave in Thunder Mountain Park is the first attraction in the Lake of the Ozarks area to use filmed in 360 photography. Check out the link below. Bridal Cave in Google 360


Congratulations Lucas Thompson! Lucas Thompson, son of Steve Thompson (Bridal Cave) and Diane Thompson is the lucky recipiant of a check for $5290.00 from the State of Missouri which will be deposited into his MOST account. MOST is Missouri's 529 co llege savings plan which held the random drawing across the state for the give away. According to Joyce Thompson, "To be honest, Steve thought it was a scam a few weeks ago when they called, although he did remember an em ail from Steven Lucas Thompson's MOST account asking him to add $25.00 and it would automatically enter him in a random drawing..." Joyce also said "The first thing Lucas asked if that was enough money to buy an X BOX? Wiped that smile right off his face when he found out that is not what this money is about!" Pictured is Lucas with his dad Steve & Missouri State Treasurer And The Spring Survey Says... 1) CAVE ATTENDANCE How Has Your Overall Attendance Been This Spring? Higher than expected 67.74% (21 Respon ses ) Lower than expected 25.81% (8 Respon ses ) About the same 6.45% (2 Responses) 2) SCHOOL GROUPS How Has Your School Group Attendance Been This Spring? Higher than expected 36.48% (11 Responses) Lower than expected 22.58% (7 Responses) About the same 41.94% (13 Responses) 3) GIFT SHOP How Has Your Gift Shop Per Cap Spending Been This Spring? Higher than expected 45.16% (14 Responses) Lower than expected 25.81% (8 Responses) About the same 29.03% (9 Responses) 4) FEDERAL & STATE CAVES Over the years we have lost membership in both Federal and some State caves because of our former Bylaw requirement mandating participation in our alpha radiation program and because some of the se caves could no longer budget the cost of membership dues. Would you be in favor of amending our Bylaws to create a new membership category in order to bring these caves back into our NCA family providing they not pay annual dues and they would not have voting rights? Yes 86.67% (26 Responses) No 13.33% (4 Responses) NOTE: 1 person out of 31 responses did not answer this question


NCA Insurance Column insurance information, news, education and industry hilarity! BEATING THE HEAT Now that summer is upon us, employees may be at risk to a heat related illness. Heat cramps, heat exhaustion and heat stroke can develop if proper preventative measures are not taken and symptoms of milder heat illnesses are ignored. Heat related disorders should not be taken lightly. Every year hundreds of people die as a result of a heat related illness. When talking about heat illnesses, we should examine signs and symptoms of specific heat illnesses and first aid procedu res to take as well as tips for prevention of such illnesses. As we cannot control the weather, we need to prepare our bodies to cope with the heat. HEAT CRAMPS Heat cramps are the beginning stages of more serious heat illnesses. Heat cramps usually affe ct people who sweat heavily during ually lose fluid and salt. Painful cramping or muscles spasms can develop as a result of this s alt lose, usually in the abdomen, arms and/or legs. Employees should stop all activities and rest in a cool place. Replenish fluids by drinking water or a sports drink such as Gatorade or Powerade (energy drinks like Red Bull should be avoided as they co ntain heavy amounts of sugars). Because further exertion can lead to more serious heat illnesses as heat exhaustion or heat stroke, workers should not return to strenuous activities for a few hours. HEAT EXHAUSTION Heat Exhaustion is a more severe illness than heat cramps. Heat exhaustion can develop after several days of exposure to high temperatures and humidity and lack of fluid replenishment. Workers with high blood pressure and older workers are more susce ptible to heat exhaustion. Symptoms of heat exhaustion include the following: Heavy profuse sweating; pale skin color; tiredness and weakness; dizziness; headache; nausea or vomiting; and faintness. Skin may be cool and moist and pulse rate will be fast and week. If an employee shows signs of hea t exhaustion, they should be moved to a cool shaded area or even an air conditioned vehicle. The victim should be given a cool non alcoholic drink (water is best). Heavy clothing should be loosened or removed and have the employee lay on their back with their feet slightly elevated. Try to cool the employee by fanning or using cold wet towels or ice packs. If heat exhaustion symptoms are ignored and left untreated, it may progress into heat stroke. Medical attention should be so ught if symptoms get wo rse or last more than 1 hour. HEAT STROKE Heat stroke is the most serious heat illness. Heat stroke is a medical emergency that can cause death or permanent disabilit y. Heat ating mechanism stops and core temperature rises rapidly to above 103 degrees. Symptoms of heat stroke include a high body temperature; red, hot and dry skin (your body has stopped sweating); a rapid and strong pulse; a throbbing headache; confusion; naus ea; dizziness; and the victim could be unconscious.


If a person shows signs of heat stroke, CALL 911 IMMEDIATELY. Get the victim to a cool shaded area or in an air conditioned environment. Cool the victim any way possible such as immersing the person into a cool bath or spraying with cool water. Place ice packs under the armpits and in the groin area. Wrap the victim in wet towels and fan the employee to cool them. If the pers on is conscious, give them water to drink in small amounts. Never leave a heat stroke or a heat exhaustion victim alone. PREVENTION Employees should be encouraged to take steps to avoid heat related illnesses. The best way to avoid a heat related illness t o prepare your body. Here are some tips: 1. Drink more water. If you wait 2. Water should be cool, but not ice cold. Ice cold water can cause stomach cramps. 3. Avoid drinks that contain caffeine, alcohol, or large amounts of sugar. Having a morning coffee may get you going in the morning and an after work beer may taste great, but these will put your body at a disadvantage because they dehydrate the body. 4. Schedule strenuous work activities for earlier in the morning when the temperature is generally cooler. 5. Take breaks in a sha dy area. 6. 7. Try to eat smaller amounts more frequently rather than 1 large lunch. A New Jersey man who says he eats 50 Subway foot longs per year is suing the chains, alleging that the sandwiches are really only 11 inches. The lawyer in the suit is seeking class action status. Contact Us: If you have any comments, questions or suggestio ns for the NCA Insurance Column, please contact haginn@caverntours. Heather Ginn Insurance Committee haginn@caverntours. com WNS Report New Locations: The little brown bat population continues to decline in New Brunswick. The number surveyed in New Brunswick caves dropped from 7000 in 2011 to 79 in 2013 and 22 this year. WNS has now been documented in two more counties in North Carolina (Jackson and Cherokee counties). The fungus was detected in samples from caves and culverts in Mississippi, bu t no WNS yet. Research: Up to 50% of the bats in the Czech Republic suffer from WNS, but do not die from it. This was a joint research project with US and Czech scientists. This is contrary to the opinion that although it is present in Europe, it does not cause any damage to the bats. It is not known why the bats survive. Scientists have found that by directing long wave UV light at the wings of bats, bats with wing lesions will show a distinctive orange yellow fluorescence. Scientists can use this to survey bats instead of taking samples. Volunteers are being sought in Pennsylvania, the Appalachians and Nova Scotia for bat counts. Patty Perlaky WNS Chair


Affiliate of the Month Sunburst Companies An Introduction For more than 44 years, Sunburst Companies has manufactured and produced Made in U.S.A. merchandise. We are located in Providence, Rhode Island, and our company is a family owned and operated business. We are a Cadmium and Lead free manufacturer and a Working Green company, all of which supports our devotion to reducing our affect on the environment, and ultimately, our carbon footprint. Customization From the very start of design conception through the finished and packaged piece, we are a full circle manufacturer hard at wor k to serve our customers. We work with a variety of metals, including copper, nickel, brass and Sterling Silver, and specialize in natural metals. Creating custom items featuring logos, images and name drops has become an important and personal strength fo r our business, highlighting our dedication to our individual clients. Hands On Approach We run a three acre complex and house hundreds of tools, dies, molds and machinery. We have access to all areas of operations including our own finishing and woodwo rking departments. With these resources at our fingertips, we are able to control and support the actual design and creation of beautiful counter and floor displays, made to enhance the sale of our merchandise. Customer s can enjoy display programs set up d irectly from the factory with each number UPC bar coded with choice of retail. We pride ourselves on being a turnkey operation for customers. NEW! Later this month, we are launching the first phase of our wholesale E commerce website, You are invited to sign up and browse through our thousands of carefully categorized products. Our Merchandise Pictured here are just some of the creature themed products we offer across many of our product lines. Nature Pals and Mini Elegance bats as earrings, pendants and key rings, Sterling Silver charms with name of site and/or flagged with location name, as we ll as hair goods, accessories, rings and more! Contact Us At Sunburst, we do our best to deliver a range of options for our customers to select from. Need a custom piece? Have an idea for your location? Contact us for a free quote by email at or call toll free Monday through Thursday 8:30 am 5:30 pm EST at 800 237 3207. A Word of Thanks As a proud Affiliate member and supporter of the National Caves Association, Sunburst Companies is honored to be featured in this


From Deep Down in the Archives... Timeline 2000 Photographs Anyone? Our supply of old photographs is getting low... I need your help. Please look through your archives for NCA related photographs we can use in Cave Talk and ultimately feature in the NCA's 50th Anniversary Celebration. The big event is only a year away! Contact Bob if you have something to share. Convention 2000 in Arizona: Doris & Jim Rubel Jeanette & Tim Luecke Dates to Remember Mark Your Calendar! NSS Convention 2014, NSS Headquarters, Huntsville, Alabama, July 14 18, 2014 NCKRI International Conference Subter r anean Biology Juriquilla, Quertaro, Mxico August 31 September 5, 2014 NCA Convention 2014, Host: Cave of the Winds, Colorado Springs, Colorado, September 29 October 3, 2014 International Show Caves Association Congress 2014, Jenolan Caves, New South Wales, Australia, November 2 8, 2014 IGES/SSS 2014, Sevierville, Tennessee, November 2 6, 2014 & Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, November 3 7, 2014 IAAPA 2014, Orlando, Florida, November 17 21, 2014 Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 2015, Tucson, Arizona, January 31 February 15, 2015 NCA Mid Winter Board of Di rectors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St. Louis, Missouri, March 2 4 201 5 NSS Convention 2015, Waynesville Missouri July 13 17, 2015 NCA Convention 2015, (50 th Anniversary) Host: Cave of the Mounds, Blue Mounds, Wisconsin, September 21 25, 2015 NCKRI The Sinkhole Conference, Rochester, Minnesota, October 5 9, 2015 IGES/SSS 2015, Sevierville, Tennessee, November 1 5, 2014 & Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, November 2 6, 2014 IAAPA 2015, Orlando, Florida, November 16 20, 2015 Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 2016, Tucson, Arizona, January 30 February 14, 2015 NCA Mid Winter Board of Directors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St. Louis, Missouri, February 22 24 201 6 NSS Convention 2016, Ely, Nevada, July 17 23, 2016 NCA Co nvention 2016, Host: Squire Boone Caverns, French Lick, Indiana, September 19 23, 2016 IAAPA 2016, Orlando, Florida, November 8 11, 2016 Got News? Please make sure you let Bob Holt know when you have news to share with the membership regarding you and your cave It is the goal of the NCA office to produce more issues of Cave Talk and this can only happen when you help with the sharing of your news. P lease send your articles, photographs to August 2014 Cave Talk Deadline Please have all articles to Bob Holt no later than July 15. Thank you

Cave Talk is a
publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit
trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private
show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring
together show cave owners and operators from across the United
States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to
share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation
favorable to the show cave industry.


Download Options

Choose Size
Choose file type
Cite this item close


Cras ut cursus ante, a fringilla nunc. Mauris lorem nunc, cursus sit amet enim ac, vehicula vestibulum mi. Mauris viverra nisl vel enim faucibus porta. Praesent sit amet ornare diam, non finibus nulla.


Cras efficitur magna et sapien varius, luctus ullamcorper dolor convallis. Orci varius natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Fusce sit amet justo ut erat laoreet congue sed a ante.


Phasellus ornare in augue eu imperdiet. Donec malesuada sapien ante, at vehicula orci tempor molestie. Proin vitae urna elit. Pellentesque vitae nisi et diam euismod malesuada aliquet non erat.


Nunc fringilla dolor ut dictum placerat. Proin ac neque rutrum, consectetur ligula id, laoreet ligula. Nulla lorem massa, consectetur vitae consequat in, lobortis at dolor. Nunc sed leo odio.