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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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Robert A. Holt PO Box 625, Cobleskill, NY 12043 E xecutive Director Phone: 573 836 2256 E mail: November 2014 Message From The Executive Director It has been a month since we were together at the Colorado Convention. As I type the minutes from our meetings and sort through the photographs and catalog them, I am reminded of the great time we all had together. Thanks to Grant Carey I have all the vide os of those of you who rode the Terror Dactyl. I have watched each and every one and never laughed so hard! Everyone of you who rode the ride enjoyed it immensely. We are now planning for the big celebration of our 50th Anniversary in Wisconsin. Work has been progressing with Ann and Joe, Kim and Jason at Cave of the Mounds. We will have another unforgettable convention culminating with a gala dinner with a 50th Anniversary program that you will not want to miss!. Mark your calendar for September 21 25, 2015. O ur friend George V eni, Executive Director of the N ational Cave & Karst Research Institute al ong with Todd Chave Director Academic Resources from U niversity South Florida, Tampa L ibrary would like to scan and archive all of our Cave Talks and our predecessor newsletters called Down Under. NCKRI is a partner in a project known as the Karst Information Portal It is designed to support cave and karst research, management, education, and exploration through a variety of tools. Todd is the main partner on the Portal. Your Board of Directors approved the go ahead to ship our newsletters to Todd where the scanning to be done is actually far better than a volunteer scanning them because the hardware and software Todd has is well beyond anything that anyone outside of the of additional data into each scan to make it as discoverable as possible. They use state of the art digital searching and archiving facilities. What this means for NCA is that people interested in caves around the world are more likely to find NCA and its caves through searches o f the Portal, but it also provides a permanent, safe archive for all issues of Cave Talk Thanks to George and Todd for their kind offer of preserving our history and making it available to us and others for research of caves and karst. Wishing you and yo urs a most Happy Thanksgiving! Bob Holt OFFICERS President : Steve Rawlings Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 209 728 2101 Vice President : Patty Perlaky Raccoon Mt. Caverns, TN Ph: 423 821 9403 Secretary Treasurer : Bob Holt Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 573 836 2256 Past President : Greg Beckler N atural Stone Bridge & Caves, NY Ph: 518 494 2283 et REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) Rob Arey Polar Caves Park NH Ph: 603 536 1888 Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) John Graves Luray Caverns, VA john.graves@luraycaverns. com Ph: 540 743 6551 Region Three : (IL, IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN Ph: 812 732 4382 Region Four : (AR, IA, KS, MO, NE) Dennis Boyer War Eagle Cavern, AR Ph: 479 789 2909 Region Five : (MN, MT, ND, SD, WI) Tom Hagen Rushmore Cave, SD Ph: 60 5 255 4467 Region Six : (CA, ID, NV, OR, WA, AK, HI, Barbados, Bermuda) Matt Doyle Lake Shasta Caverns, CA Ph: 800 795 CAVE Region Seven : (AZ, CO, NM, UT, WY) Steve Beckley Glenwood Caverns, CO Ph: 970 945 4CAV Region Eight : (LA, OK, TX) Ed Mayfield Caverns of Sonora, TX Ph: 325 387 3105 Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, MS, NC, SC, TN ) Tim Lacy DeSoto Caverns Park AL Ph: 256 378 7252 Director s at Large Steve Runkle Cave of the Winds, CO Ph: 719 685 5444 Aaron Ginn Sierra Nevada Recreation, CA a sginn Ph: 209 736 2708


Ground Br eaking For The Redevelopment Of The Historic Iron Mountain Hot Springs At Glenwood Caverns Congratulations to Steve and Jeanne Beckley one of the d evelopers of Mountain Hot Springs at Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park who are wasting little time starting construction, in hopes of having the new geothermal hot springs along the Colorado River open by May 2015 Groundbreaking Ceremonies took place on October 20, 201 4. owner/developer Steve Beckley said Beckley and his wife, Jeanne, who together own and operate the Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park, r ecently purchased the 13 acre property along with co owners Mogli and Coop Cooper. They plan to return the site to its former past as a hot springs spa and tourist attraction, taking advantage of one of the G lenwood that flow from beneath the mountains to the north and into the Colorado River. The springs in The property has been vacant since 1996 when the historic bath house and red brick mansion dating to the late 1800s were torn down to make way for what ended up being an unsuccessful attempt by the previous owners to build a water slide adventure park on t he site. Plans now include a larger 40 by 60 foot family hot pool that will run at about 95 degrees Fahrenheit, and four smaller pools for soaking and relaxation that will range from 101 to 106 degrees. A main admissions building with changing rooms, concessions a nd retail operations is also planned, plus an unpaved parking lot that will eventually be paved once the site is fully master planned, Beckley explained. The new resort will have a maximum capacity of 300 people and will be operated by Glenwood Caverns Adv enture Park. The conceptual design for the site features naturally shaped pools that will blend into the hillside as it slopes toward the river, according to a news release issued after the City Council approval. A viewing tower resembling an old water tower that was on the site in the 1890s is also being planned, along with a waterfall feature, a small bridge over a water slide, and walkways heated with water from the hot springs connecting the pools. The family pool is to include an elevated, hotter section where parents can soak while watching their children play in the shallow, cooler pool, with a nearby shade structure for resting and picnicking. John Stroud Post Independe nt


'Supercave' In China Takes Title Of World's Largest Cavern National Geographic New s Coverage It's hidden beneath rolling hills, can be reached only via an underground stream, and now it has been named the world's biggest cave chamber: meet Miao Room Yes, a new measurement of China's vast Miao Room cavern shows that the cave chamber encompasses some 380.7 million cubic feet (10.78 million cubic meters). That beats out the past title holder, Sarawak Chamber in Malaysia. However, the Malaysian cave chamber is still the world's largest by surface area (around 1.66 million square feet). The Miao Room chamber, which is found within the Gebihe cave system at China's Ziyun Getu He Chuandong National Park, was first mapped with l aser scanning surveys in 2013, National Geographic reported. Then researchers reprocessed those scans with help from scientists at the University of Lancaster in the U.K. to determine the volume and size of the Miao Room. The measurements were announced at the Hidden Earth 2014 national caving conference held in England from September 26 28. Beneath southern landscape of cone shaped peaks, arches, and spires, researchers have disc overed some of the world's largest underground chambers. In 2013 a British led expedition used a laser scanner to measure several cave systems in unprecedented detail, including Gebihe, whose Miao Room (modeled here from the original laser data), with a ma ximum height of 627 feet. Art Credit: Stefan Fichtel, Ixtract Gmbh. Scan Data Preparation: Joe Beeching More photos & videos of China's supercaves are available on National Geographic Magazine A lights illuminate the green hued Getu He river in the Miao Room -now considered the largest cave chamber by volume. The Miao Room volume measurement exceeds Sarawak Chamber in Malays ia, the past title holder, by about 10 percent. Credit: Carsten Peter/National Geographic News


T he Lost River Gorge & Boulder Caves Expansion Project Giving Visitors a New of the Lost River Gorge & Boulder Caves, located in Kinsman Notch in the White greatest natural wonders -forged by the forces of water, weather, and time. Thousands of visitors enjoy the boardwalks of Lost River Gorge & Boulder walls, gigantic boulders, rock strewn glacial caves, and cascading waterfalls. as a new forest adventure trail near the base of the Dilly Cliffs. Visitors can explore the boardwalk trail with adventure sites, be surrounded by northern spruce, hardwood trees and giant granite boulders that broke off from the cliffs when the glaciers formed Lost River Gorge. Spanning the upper gorg e is a deep woods suspension bridge, with access to a forest tree house and bird cage overlooks (under construction) all of which provide breathtaking, views of the gorge and scenic Kinsman Notch. This new expansion project gives visitors new and excit ing opportunities to explore the natural beauty Lost River Gorge has to offer. The new expansion will be officially dedicated in 2015. Kate Wetherell Lost River Gorge & Boulder Caves Don't Discount The Power Of The Brochure A little info for those who have brochures as your chief advertisement. DON T DISCOUNT THE POWER OF THE BROCHURE. After counting nearly 1200 surveys customers filled out on their arrival here at Cosmic Cavern. 391 checked b rochures as how they found out about us. 362 checked Internet. 124 Word of Mouth.. 4th was Billboards (and we know that is mainly used to just guide people here) and 5th was the Arkansas tour guide book that is handed out at the welcome centers and hotels. etc. Various s maller draws were Map, Been here befor e, Coupons, and TV. Not everyone atch their interest. I have over 1500 locations for my brochure, and look for it to stay #1 for a few years, at least. Randy Langhover Cosmic Cavern


WNS Report Closures: Great Smoky Mountain National Park is closing the area around Whiteoak Sink. The cave is used by Indiana bats to hibernate. The area around the cave is popular with hikers. There is WNS in the cave. Persistence of the Fungus: P. dest ructans has been cultured in a lab and kept at 5 degrees C. and under low humidity conditions for 5 years, suggesting that it can persist in the absence of bats for long periods of time. This could affect r ecolonization in caves where WNS is present. Pat ty Perlaky WNS Chairman Sinkhole Conference Registration for the 14 th Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst is now open! Registration is open not just for the conference but also for its four excellent short courses and field trip. Additionally, we are now accepting full papers as well as abstracts (the deadline for abstracts is 1 December 2014; papers ma y be submitted later if the abstract is submitted by the deadline). Just as important, if you are a student or know one, we encourage students to apply for the Barry F. Beck Student Scholarship that includes free registration to the conference plus up to $1,00 0 for travel expenses. We encourage organizations and working professionals to donate to the scholarship fund to provide even more scholarships to help boost the careers of young karst sc ientists. All donations are tax deductable. karst geoscience and related engineering and environmental issues and not just sinkholes. This next Sinkhole Conference will be held in Rochester, Minnesota, USA, on 5 9 October 2015, and jointly organized with the Minnesota Groundwater Association it should be an exceptional meeting! The Sinkhole Conference now has a permanent website at the easy to remember address: Bookmark and visit it for information on how to register, submit an abstract and paper, find all deadlines, details on the Be ck Scholarship, and other information. It also includes the proceedings of t he 13 th Sinkhole Conference for free download. The If you have any questions, let me know. Please distribute this information to anyone you think may be interested. On behalf of the many fine engineers and geologists on the Sinkhole Conference Organizing Committee, we look forward to seein g you one year from now in Rochester! George Veni Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute ISCA Conference 2016 It is with great pleasure that I can announce that the ISCA Board of Directors have approved an ISCA Conference in Oman in th e months of October and/or November, 2016. The Conference is tentatively proposed to be held over five day s. More details about this exciting event will be provided in the near future. David Summers ISCA President


NCA Insurance Column insurance information, news, education and industry hilarity! Effective Safety Training The majority of accidents and injuries in the workplace are related to unsafe behavior, not unsafe conditions. Effective safety training can have immediate and tangible benefits, including increased productivity and employee retention, less absenteeism an d reduced insurance and liability claims. It's an on going and interactive process which relies on employee buy in and involvement and management commitment. Here are some simple points to consider when designing and implementing your next safety training program: (1) Action Action and interactivity will ensure responses from your audience. Your audience can't fall asleep if they are moving also gain a higher retention from something that is different from the conference room or trailer. Consider training in the (2) Safety Sometimes employees may be afraid that asking question s or voicing opinions will make them look ignorant, get them in trouble, or even worse will keep them there longer. From their point of view, it's much safer to stay silent and avoid the possibility of displeasure or embarrassment. Therefore, a big res ponsibility of the trainer is to build a safe environment and demonstrate that it is safe to participate, thus a lot more enjoyable and meaningful. (3) 7 Minute Rule Most adults can sit and listen to someone else talk for only about 7 minutes before thei r minds begin to drift off. Therefore, trainers should be willing to do whatever it takes to keep their listeners on their mental toes. Pre program your presentation with ways to surprise your listeners into engaging their minds every 5 to 7 minutes Keeping your audience guessing "What are they going to do next?" is an effective way to hold their attention. (4) Relevance Mix cause and effect stories into your training session and use examples from your own workplace. Show your audience why they sho uld care. If employees are willing, have them tell personal stories of incidents that occurred close to them. This (5) Humor Use humor to get and keep people engaged. Intersperse your presenta tion with jokes, funny pictures, or video clips. You (6) Credibility Credibility is the most important aspect of a successful training pr ogram. Make sure you're prepared. People do not want to learn from experts, they want to learn from people with expertise. Also, keep in mind that a good trainer is also a good listener. Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." Happy Training! Upcoming Webinar! November 12th 1PM Central Alternative Risk Financing Time is ticking (and fast) to ensure your company is by Download your free, industry specific guide today! Watch f or u pcoming E Blast with call in information. A 32 year old New Yorker is suing his paren The suit recommends the parents mortgage their home so the son can invest in franchise restaurants, but the parents have a Contact Us: If you have any comments, questions or suggestions for the NCA Insurance Column, please contact haginn@caverntours. Heather Ginn Insurance Committee haginn@caverntours. com


From Deep Down in the Archives... Timeline 19 99 Some of the gang who attended the 1999 Bermuda Convention Our supply of old photographs is getting low... I need your help. Please look through your archives for NCA related photograp hs we can use in Cave Talk and ultimately feature in the NCA's 50th Anniversary Celebration. The big event is less than a year away! Contact Bob if you have something to share at Dates to Remember Mark Your Calendar! International Show Caves Association Congress 2014, Jenolan Caves, New South Wales, Australia, November 2 8, 2014 IGES/SSS 2014, Sevierville, Tennessee, November 2 6, 2014 & Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, November 3 7, 2014 NCA Webinar "Alternative Risk Financing," November 12, 2014, 1PM Central IAAPA 2014, Orlando, Florida, November 17 21, 2014 NCA Webinar What To Do When There 's A Boo Boo ," January 20, 2015, 1PM Central Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 2015, Tucson, Arizona, January 31 February 15, 2015 NCA Mid Winter Board of Directors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St. Louis, Missouri, March 2 4 201 5 NCA Webinar Not My Claim Techniques In Risk Transfer ," March 11, 2015, 1PM Central NSS Convention 2015, Waynesville Missouri July 13 17, 2015 NCA Convention 2015, (50 th Anniversary) Host: Cave of the Mounds, Blue Mounds, Wisconsin, September 21 25, 2015 NCKRI The Sinkhole Conference, Rochester, Minnesota, October 5 9, 2015 IGES/SSS 2015, Sevierville, Tennessee, November 1 5, 2014 & Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, November 2 6, 2014 IAAPA 2015, Orlando, Florida, November 16 20, 2015 Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 2016, Tucson, Arizona, January 30 February 14, 2015 NCA Mid Winter Board of Directors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St Louis, Missouri, February 22 24 201 6 NSS Convention 2016, Ely, Nevada, July 17 23, 2016 NCA Convention 2016, Host: Squire Boone Caverns, French Lick, Indiana, September 19 23, 2016 IAAPA 2016, Orlando, Florida, November 8 11, 2016 Got News? Please make sure you let Bob Holt know when you have news to share with the membership regarding you and your cave It is the goal of the NCA office to produce more issues of Cave Talk and this can only happen when you help with the sharing of your news. P lease send your articles, photographs to December 2014 Cave Talk Deadline Please have all articles to Bob Holt no later than November 15. Thank you.

Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves
Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965
by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial
members sought to bring together show cave owners and
operators from across the United States to promote the show
cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas,
and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave


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