Cave Talk

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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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NCA Cave a k NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION April 26, 1976 Earbara Munson, Coordinator 1026 8aJ.m;:lral Drive Signal Mountain, TN 37377 (615) 886-2995 1976 DATO CONFERENCE HIGHWAY BILL DISCOVER TEXAS GOLF PACKAGE PLAN TREE TOPS LOBBY The National Caves Association was well represented at the 1976 Discover America National Conference and Travel Mart in Pittsburgh this past week. We feel the industry awareness of the National Caves Association has been increased and that your cave will benefit from this awareness. Kenneth Cagle died Thursday, Apr! I 22, 1976, at age 46. Although he had suffered a serious heart attack several years ago he remained active as Manager of the LOST SEA in Sweetwater, Tennessee, until his death. Ken, a former NCA Region Three Director, entered into al I activities and meetings with a dynamic enthusiasm. The National Caves Association wil I miss him and we extend our sympathies to his family and associates. The compromised version of the Highway Bill was adopted by both the U. S. Senate and House of Representatives on April 14 and sent to the White House for signature. However, a technical error (not affecting outdoor advertising) was discovered and the bill returned unsigned to Congress. It is almost 100 percent certain to be repassed, with the error corrected on April 26. Clara Heidemann served as a discussion leader during the Annual Discover Texas Association Conference in April. LURAY CAVERNS opens their 18 hole, par 72 golf course on May 1st. They will also begin offering a special Vacation Golf Package Plan which will include golf, lodging, meals, and sightseeing at LURAY CAVERNS and other nearby points of interest. RUBY FALLS opened their new Tree Tops Lobby in mid-April. From this spacious lobby area, added on the top of the existing building, visitors get a panoramic view of Chattanooga, Moccasin Bend, the Tennessee River and surrounding mountains~ There's also an outside observation deck and access to the breath-taking Lookout Mountain Tower. This is the largest single expansion project in the history of RUBY FALLS.


NCA TV FILM POLL TV FILM NEWS FEBRUARY ENERGY IMPACT MARCH IMPACT BROCHURES TEXAS EXPANSION BIGGER NAVY NEW FORMATION MINATURE GOLF ICE AGE IN WISCONSIN NEW LIGHTING Results from the NCA TV Film Poll confirm the opinion of those attending the Mid-Winter Meeting Lhat the NCA is not in a financial position to undertake the film as outlinedo FANTASTIC CAVERNS has elected to make a TV film along the lines of the proposal presented to the NCA. The film, to be produced by Bill Gilbert of Image House, will be general in nature, but will feature FANTASTIC CAVERNS. Copies of the film will be available through Image House the basic film can be customized to feature your cave or area. Also, FANTASTIC CAVERNS and Image House would welcome footage from other member caves details can be worked out with Mark Trimble or Bill Gilbert. February was a good month for most of us .... Three operations reported increases of 116%, 240% and 600%:: Thirteen others reported increases averaging 41.58%. One reported a decrease of 5.1%, and four were closed during February. Reasons for the increases included "more people on the highway" "64.1 degrees average temperature ll lIearly local radio promotion II "booking more winter tours". Good weather stands out as the main reason for the increased traffic. The one decrease was attributed to "opening of interstate and road work on access highway.1I Thirteen caves reported increases averaging 32.58% (a couple of them had increases over 95%). Six reported decreases averaging 23.33% mainly due to a late Easter falling in April. Four operations were closed in March. Brochures have been received from twenty-five members. If you haven't sent yours, we hope you will -these brochures are used to promote your cave. NATURAL BRIDGE CAVERNS has begun a remodeling project that will add a new wing and second floor meeting rooms to their present building. When completed around the end of this year they will have over 10,000 square feet of space. Andy Anderson is adding another boat (ship?) to his LAKE SHASTA navy will take visitors across the lake to LAKE SHASTA CAVERNS and will also make night cruises on the lake. A motorized reflecting ball has been installed in the MERAMEC CAVERNS Ballroom. Last issue of NCA CAVE TALK mentioned a new golf course at CRYSTAL CAVE this is a minature golf course with a cave theme ..... The CAVE OF THE MOUNDS area suffered a severe ice storm in March worst in the memory of even the very old-timers. There was much damage in their parking lot and at the Rooney's farm. Indirect lighting being installed in some areas of MARK TWAIN CAVE will be ready for the spring season.


NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION One of our members writes: "All operating costs are going up and it seems to me that this is the time when the contact with other (NCAl operators and the exchange of ideas becomes even more important. And I don't believe any operation is so big or so small but what we can receive or contribute something of value." NEW NCA/NSS LIAISON Bob Liebman, P. O. Box 441, Lewisburg, West Virginia 24901 has been appointed by the National Speleological Society to serve as NCA/NSS Liaison Chairman. Former Chairman Bev Funk-Feldstein resigned to devote full time to her rapidly expanding business. Bob will welcome your contact . APPRECIATION The February 1976 NSS NEWS has a letter of appreciation from Ed Swartz, INDIAN ECHO CAVERNS, for Nick Noe's "very candid, timely, and sensible article." (See Dec. '75 NSS NEWS and Dec. '75 NCA CAVE TALK.) NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC EVERYBODY LOVES A PARADE ACADEMY OF SCIENCE ADVERTISING IS EVERYWHERE BATS DATO MEMBERSHIP IAAPA/DATO SEMINAR 1-64 TRAVEL GUIDE 1980 WORLD's FAIR MARENGO CAVE and SQUIRE BOONE CAVERNS are mentioned i.n James Alexander Thorn's National Geographic Magazine article, lIIndiana's Self-reliant Uplanders". CASCADE CAVERNS has scheduled participation in ten parades during the next three months. In addition to those at the parades, 150,000 or more will be watching on TV: Maybe this will help offset the losses from Texas' scheduled billboard removal program. A permanent Cave display, to be opened in July at the Chicago Academy of Sciences, includes a five foot by seven foot transparency of CAVE OF THE MOUNDS. The merchandise bags of one of the local department stores is printed with scenes from area attractions, including both the Falls at RUB FALLS and the Entrance Building. A preliminary report on a bat research project at CARLSBAD CAVERNS National Park indicates that two major factors in the deoline of the park's bat population are accumulation of DDT pesticide residue and the effects of drought on the bat's food supply. In 1936 the colony was estimated to be well over eight million bats, by 1956 just under four million, and by 1973 approximately 200,000. If you are interested in joining DATO, we'll be glad to send you membership application material. Comments from an NCA member who attended our Mid-Winter Meeting and the Seminar that followed: "I went to the meetings hoping to find answers to several questions, and I did find enough answers to make the trip very much worth our while. 1I Fred Conway has just completed the production of an 1-64 Guide. Colorful and attractive, the Guide promotes attractions and services along the 300 miles of the newly opened segment of 1-64 through Southern Indiana and Kentucky. (Of special interest Fred says he picked up the germ of his idea from talking with a fellow NCA member at one of our meetings:) The De S. Commerce Department's choice of a site for a world's fair in 1980 has apparently been narrow~d down to two cities Knoxville, Tennessee and Los Angeles, California.


NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION BLANCHARD SPRINGS CAVERNS Jack C. Griswold, District Ranger P. O. Box I Mountain View, Arkansas 72560 (501) 757-2211 BRIDAL CAVE Jerry W. Hunter Camdenton, Missouri 65020 (314) 346-2676 CARLSBAD CAVERNS Donald Dayton, Superintendent 3225 National Parks Highway Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 (505) 785-2297 CASCADE CAVERNS John P. Bridges Rt. I, Box 57A Boerne, Texas 78006 (512) 755-9285 CAVE OF THE MOUNDS E. J. Rooney Brigham Farm Blue Mounds, Wisconsin 53517 (608) 437-3355 CRYSTAL CAVE Kutztown, Penna. Douglas S. Kaufman 526 Elm Street Reading, Pennsylvania 19601 (215) 376-3842 CRYSTAL CAVE Mrs. Estle Funkhouser Rt. I, Box 590 Springfield, Missouri 65803 (417) 883-0031 CUMBERLAND CAVERNS Roy Davis McMinnville, Tennessee 37110 (615) 668-4396 FANTASTIC CAVERNS Mark Trimble Rt. 20, Box 1935 Springfield, Missouri 65804 (417) 833-2010 FORBIDDEN CAVERNS Wm. R. Hounshell Rt. 8 Sevierville, Tennessee 37862 (615) 453-5972 HOWE CAVERNS Rodney Schaeffer Howes Cave, New York 12092 (518) 296-8990 ICE CAVE David Candelaria Box 12,000, I ce Cave Road Grants, New Mexico 87020 (505) 783-5194 INDIAN ECHO CAVERNS Edward S. Swartz P.O. Box 206 Hummelstown, Pennsylvania 17036 (71 n 566-8131 INNER SPACE Jim Brummett P.O. Box 451 Georgetown, Texas 78626 (512) 863-5545 LAKE SHASTA CAVERNS H. L. Anderson P. O. Box 801 0' B r i en, Ca lifo rn i a 96070 (916) 238-2341 LAUREL CAVERNS David Cale P. O. Box 1095 Uniontown, Pennsylvania 15401 (412) 329-5968 LINCOLN CAVERNS Huntingdon, Penna. Mr. and Mrs. Myron Dunlavy 5231 Simpson-Ferry Road Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania 17055 (717) 766-8355 LOST SEA Kenneth Cagle Sweetwater, Tennessee 37874 (615) 337-6616 LURAY CAVERNS H. T. N. Graves P. O. Box 389 Luray, Virginia 22835 (703) 743-6551 MAMMOTH CAVE Joe Kulezsa, Superintendent Mammoth Cave, Kentucky 42259 (502) 758-2251


MAMMOTH ONYX CAVE Bill Austin Kentucky Caverns Park Horse Cave, Kentucky 42749 (502) 786-2634 MARENGO CAVE Gary Roberson Marengo Cave Park P.O. Box 217 Marengo, Indiana 47140 (812) 365-2128 MARK TWAIN CAVE Roben Bogart Box 822 Hannibal, Missouri 63401 (314) 221-1656 MARVEL CAVE Jack Herschend Silver Dollar City, Missouri 65616 (417) 338-2611 MEREMAC CAVERNS Robert E. Hudson Jesse James Hideout Stanton, Missouri 63079 (314) 468-4156 NATURAL BRIDGE CAVERNS Mrs. Clara Heidemann R t. 3, Box 51 5 Natural Bridge, Texas 78218 (512) 651-6101 NATURAL STONE BRIDGE and CAVES Edward B. Beckler Pottersville, New York 12860 (518) 494-2283 OHIO CAVERNS Marion Smith Rt. I West Liberty, Ohio 43357 (513) 465-4017 OLENTANGY INDIAN CAVERNS Floyd R. Artman 1779 Home Road Delaware, Ohio 43015 (614) 548-7917 ONONDAGA CAVE William Breen Leasburg, Missouri 65535 (314) 245-3515 ONYX CAVE Mrs. Muriel Schmidt Box 330, Rt. 1 Eureka Springs, Arkansas 72632 (501) 253-9431 PENN'S CAVE W. P. Camp be I I R. E. Schleiden Centre Hall, Pennsylvania 16828 (814) 36H664 POLAR CAVES John E. Bay1 iss Plymouth, New Hampshire 03264 (603) 536-1888 RUBY FALLS Carl Gibson P. O. Box 3160 Chattanooga, Tennessee 37404 (615) 821-2544 or 698-3369 RUSHMORE CAVE Mr. and Mrs. L. W. Pullen Keystone, South Dakota 57751 (605) 255-4467 SENECA CAVERNS Dick Bell Bellevue, Ohio 44811 (419) 483-6711 SEQUOYAH CAVERNS Clark Byers Rt. 1 Valley Head, Alabama 35989 (205) 635-2311 SKYL I NE CAVERNS Thomas H. Gibson P.O. Box 193 Front Royal, Virginia 22630 (703) 635-4545 SQUIRE BOONE CAVERNS W. Fred Conway P. O. Box 411 Corydon, Indiana 47112 (812) 945-2617 WOODWARD CAVE Hen ry Bu rd Woodward, Pennsylvania 16882 (814) 349-5185 NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION Barbara Munson, Secretary 1026 Balmoral Drive Signal Mountain, Tennessee 37377 (615) 886-2995




To: National Caves Association Membership Subject: Request for Mail Vote on TV Film Project Following study and discussion of the report from the Film Committee (presented by B. Munson in the absence of Committee members Jack Griswold, Mark Trimble and Fred Conway) the Secretary was instructed by those attending the NCA Mid-Winter Meeting to poll the entire membership. Bri~fly, the Film Committee report recommended the immediate production by the NCA of a film based on a treatment developed by Tom Aley of the Ozark Underground Laboratory. The film would be produced by Image House of Kansas City, Missouri. This would be a 14~ minute Instructional film, shot for the most part in the four-state area around Kansas City. The Committee was advised an Instructional film (mid-way between Educational and Hard-Sell) would receive the greatest acceptance on educational and public service TV. Cost of producing this film would be between $8,000.00 and $10,000.00. Technical supervision by OUL would be $1,500.00 plus one copy of the completed film. The National Caves Association would own one copy of the film, copies would be sold to NCA members at a raw film cost of approximately $100.00 each. Other copies of the film would be sold by the producer to Educational outlets. Distribution costs were estimated at $2,000.00 per year. Outside funding has been investigated and deemed undesirable and unavailable. Approximately $4,000.00 would be available from existing NCA funds the balance would need to be underwritten by interested member caves. Those attending the Mid-Winter Meeting felt the production of the film should not be undertaken without an affirmative vote of the membership or without pledges for complete funding. If an affirmative vote or funding is not received, other film possibilities can and will be considered. Therefore, your vote, your comments, and, if you wish to make one your pledge toward film funding, are requested as soon as possible. A stamped return envelope is enclosed for your convenience. 1. WE FAVOR THE PRODUCTION OF THE NCA FILM AS PROPOSED AT THE MID-WINTER MEETING ON FEBRUARY 29, 1976. YES ---------NO --------2. WE PLEDGE $ TOWARD THE PRODUCTION OF THE -~--------FILM AS OUTLINED. 3. COMMENTS: CAVE -----------------By Date


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The approximately 125 people who attended the 1976 National A~tractions and Amusement Parks Seminar became acquainted with the National Caves Association through hearing those of our members who appeared on the program, through attending meetings with us, and through one-to-one conversations with us. Some of those attending the Seminar were representing some general segment of the tourism industry (rather than a particular attraction). These people are listed below you might want to tell some of them more about your cave. Bruce Barnes Vice President, Travel and Tour, Great Adventure, Inc., P. O. Box 120 Jackson, New Jersey 08527 Jim Battersby President, Discover Texas Association, 8500 Village Drive, San Antonio, Texas 78209 Warren Binder President, Creative Travel Consultants, 255 Alhambra Circle, Coral Gables, Florida 33134 Edwin Bortner President, National Tour Brokers Association, and President, Bortner Tours, 3950 Saranac Drive, Sharpsville, Pennsylvania 16150 R. Spencer Brent Regional Vice President, ziff Davis Publishing Company, 444 Brickell Avenue, Miami, Florida 33131 Jerry Brennan Travel Weekly, ziff Davis Publishing Company, 444 Brickell Avenue, Miami, Florida 33131 Walter J. Heeney, Jr. Publisher, Amusement Business, Billboard Publications, Inc. 1719 West End Avenue, Nashville, Tennessee 37203 Thomas H. Jackson Commissioner, Tennessee Tourism Development, 505 Fessler's Lane Nashville, Tennessee 37210 Irwin Kirby Editor, Amusement Business, Billboard Publications, 1719 West End Avenue Nashville, Tennessee 37203 Stephen M. Kirchner Director, Editorial Services, Discover America Travel Organizations, 1100 Connecticut Avenue, N.W., Wahsington, D. C. 20036 John A. Murphy Manager, Retail Sales Development, Newspaper Advertising Bureau, 485 Lexington Ave., New York, N. Y. 10017 Caleb pirtle Travel Editor, Southern Living Magazine, 820 Shades Creek Parkway, Box 525, Birmingham, Alabama 35201 Daniel J. Purcell Marketing Coordinator, Travel Publications, 3M National Advertising Company, 6850 South Harlem Ave., Bedford Park, Argo, Illinois 60501 Shep Schindler Travel Media Division, Reuben H. Donnelley Corporation, 888 Seventh Avenue, New York, N. Y. 10019 Roger J. Shaheen President, International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions Owner, Shaheen Enterprises, 26 Ocean Front, Salisbury Beach, Mass. 01950 Jack R. Singhiser Director of Membership lAAPA, 1101 North Riverside Drive, Pompano Beach, Florida 33062 Dave Swearingen President, Brick Muller and Swearingen Advertising, P. O. Box 4125, 29 South Bellevue, Memphis, Tennessee 38104 George S. Talmage President, Talmage Tours, 1223 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, pennsylvania 19107

Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves
Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965
by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial
members sought to bring together show cave owners and
operators from across the United States to promote the show
cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas,
and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave


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