Cave Talk

Cave Talk

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Cave Talk
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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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December 29, 1976 NCA CONVENTION MID-WINTER MEETING MARKETING TASK FORCE MONITORING PROGRAM SIGN SIZE MATCHES I1MINI-SURVEYS" CATHEDRAL CAVERNS LURAY CAVERNS hosted an outstanding NCA Annual Convention in Novembermeetings were interesting and worthwhile friendships were renewed and new friendships were made during the var'ous gatherings, some of which were hosted by LURAY and some of which were hosted by SKYLINE CAVERNS and he post convention tour was a wonderful blend of fun, history and VirginIa hOSp1 allty. OUR THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO MADE OUR STAY SO ENJOYABLE. We missed hose of you who weren't there. During he mo hs to corne you'll be hearing more about the rneetingsc Announcement wl.ll be made in the near future about he time and place of he Mid-Winter NCA Meeting. Andy Andersen and Dick Bell represented the NCA at the first meeting of "he National Travel Marketing Task Force in Washington on November 5th. Next meeting of this Task Force will be January 17 h. Have you returned your Cooperative Radiation Monitoring Program card? USDOT may begin the "field study" on sign size early in January. If enough members are interested in a joint match book purchase, a Diamond Match Corp~ representative in Virginia can supply personalized matches at $3.45 or less per case (2,500 books) with the NCA logo on one side and the member's copy on the other. Let us know if you are interested. NCA merr~ers are interested in what other NCA members are doing ... To provide some generalized answers NCA CAVE TALK plans to conduct: a series of non-statistical "mini-surveys"o If the interest ln a particular subject is sufficient an in-depth study will be undertaken~ Fi.rst "mini-survey" is about guides' wages and hours we'll publish the findings in the next NCA CAVE TALK. What subJects would you Like us to "mini-survey"? During the Annual Meeting NCA was advised by Jay Gurley, former owner of CATHEDRAL CAVERNS at Grant, Alabama, that this property would probably be sold again, this time through court action., On the.i r way horne John and Gladys Bridges spent two days with Jay and Bill Graf on, who 1S a major stockholder and custodian of the property. John has prepared a thorough summary snd analysis of what the purchase of the CATHEDRAL CAVERNS property would require. Copies of John's report are available through this office.


SEPTEI1BER REPORTS OCTOBER REPORTS NOVEMBER REPORTS NTBA IAAPA DATO NCA in 1977 FOR SALE OR LEASE TEXAS PARADE RUBY FALLS ROTARY INTERNATIONAL GOVERNOR'S CONFERENCE WILD TOURS VOICE PATTERNS Twenty-nine reports were received, twenty-eight of these reported increases of between 4% and 250% and averaging 50.21%. The other report was of a 38% decrease. Thirteen members reported increases ranging from 35.70% to .50% and averaging 15.15%. Eight reported decreases of from 5.60% to 27% and averaging 10.70%. One reported breaking even with 1975. Bad weather, especially on weekends, was listed as the culprit for the decreases. November was NOT a good month in our industry Only two reported 'ncreases which averaged out to 16.2%. Twelve reported decreases which averaged 28.60%: Five reported beIng closed for the season. The decreases were blamed on poor weather and the elections The National Caves Association will be represented by Past President Anderson at the National Tour Brokers Association Convention '77 in Vancouver January 11 through 14th. These people will be hearing about NCA and your cave. The International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions trade show will open in New Orleans on November 19th 1977. The 1977 Discover America National Conference and Travel Mart will be in Phoenix May 2 5, 1977. Our 1977 National Caves Association Annual Meeting will be November 1, 2, and 3 at Corydon, Indiana, hosted by SQUIRE BOONE CAVERNS and MARENGO CAVE. Mr. Henry Thiltgen, Rt. 2, Newburg, Missouri 65550, phone (314) 762-2449, would like to sell or lease a large, decorated cave in central Missouri three miles from 1-44. Missouri's 9th largest spring, Boiling Spring (45,000,000 gal/day) is also located on this property. Clara Heidemann, NATURAL BRlDGE CAVERNS, was featured along with Dick Risenhoover and Rep. Bob Krueger, as liThe Texans, Lone Star People you ought to know" in the October issue of TEXAS PARADE. David Brown, formerly manager of the Moccasin Bend Golf Club, is now associated with RUBY FALLS. Ray Winther is Chairman for Home Hospitality for Rotary International's San Francisco Convention in June '77. He will be arranging host homes for 6,000 of the 22,000 visitors who will be arriving from allover the world. ONYX CAVE and Eureka Springs will be hosting a three day Third Annual Governor's Conference on Tourism. Muriel Schmidt writes that Eureka Springs is now Arkansas' #1 Tourist Center. The LOST SEA has opened the old parts of the cave for Wild Tours and inside overnight camping for as many as 200 people. David Cale has installed a light system at LAUREL CAVERNS that permits guests to use their own voices to light one scene in the cave. There are six sets of lights and the louder the voice, the greater the intensity of light.


NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION 1977 Officers and Committees 1977 Regional Directors Region Two: Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia, Virginia, Kentucky. Ma ri on Smith OHIO CAVERNS Rt. 1 West Liberty, Ohio 43357 (513) 465-4017 Region Three: Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi. Joe Waggoner LOST SEA Sweetwater, Tennessee 37874 (615) 337-6616 Region One: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland. W. P. Campbell PENN'S CAVE Centre Hall, Pennsylvania 16828 (814) 364-1664 Region Five: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, California, Lou:isiana. Reginald Wuest NATURAL BRIDGE CAVERNS Rt. 3, Box 515 Natural Bridge, Texas 78218 (512) 651-6101 Four: Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas. Muriel Schmidt ONYX CAVE Box 330, Rt. 1 Eureka Springs, Arkansas 72632 (501) 253-9431 Region Region Six: North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Colorado. E. J. Rooney CAVE OF THE MOUNDS Blue Mounds, Wisconsin 53517 (608) 437-3355 Monitoring Program Jack Herschend, Program Head MARVEL CAVE Silver Dollar City, Missouri 65616 (417) 338-2611 DOWN UNDER H. Dwight Weaver, Editor Rt. 2, Box B Eldon, Missouri 65026 (314) 392-5490 Publications NCA CAVE TALK Barbara Munson, Coordinator 1026 Balmoral Drive Signal Mountain, Tennessee 37377 (615) 886-2995 Legislative Committee Thomas H. Gibson, Chairman SKYLINE CAVERNS Box 193 Front Royal, Virginia 22630 (703) 635-4545 Vice-President: Mark Trimble FANTASTIC CAVERNS Shepherd of the Hills Farm Branson, Missouri 65616 (417) 833-2010 Secretary-Treasurer: Barbara Munson 1026 Balmoral Drive Signal Mountain, Tennessee 37377 (615) 886-2995 President: Roy Davi s CUMBERLAND CAVERNS McMinnville, Tennessee 37110 (615) 668-4396


NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION Membership November 1976 BLANCHARD SPRINGS CAVERNS Jack C. Griswold, District Ranger P. O. Box I Mountain View, Arkansas 72560 (501) 757-2211 BLUES PRING CAVERNS Jim Richards RR 1, Box 289 Bedford, Indiana 47421 (812) 279-9892 BRIDAL CAVE Jerry W. Hunter Camdenton, Missouri 65020 (314) 346-2676 CARLSBAD CAVERNS Donald Dayton, Superintendent 3225 National Parks Highway Carlsbadm New Mexico 88220 (505) 785-2297 CASCADE CAVERNS John P. Bridges Rt. I, Box 57A Boerne, Texas 78006 (512) 755-9285 CAVE OF THE MOUNDS E. J. Rooney Brigham Farm Blue Mounds, Wisconsin 53517 (608) 437-3355 CRYSTAL CAVE Kutztown, Penna. Douq1as S. Kaufman 526 Elm Street Reading, Pennsylvania 19601 (215) 376-3842 CRYSTAL CAVE Mrs. Estle Funkhouser Rt. 1, Box 590 Springfield, Missouri 65803 (417) 883-0031 CUMBERLAND CAVERNS Roy Davis McMinnville, Tennessee 37110 (615) 668-4396 FANTASTIC CAVERNS Mark Trimble Rt. 20, Box 1935 Springfield, Missouri 65804 (417) 833-2010 FORBIDDEN CAVERNS William R. Hounshell Rt. 8 Sevierville, Tennessee 37862 (615) 453-5972 HOWE CAVERNS Rodney Schaeffer Howes Cave, New York 12092 (518) 296-8990 ICE CAVE David Candelaria Box 12,000, Ice Cave Road Grants, New Mexico 87020 (505) 783-5194 INDIAN ECHO CAVERNS Edward S. Swartz P. O. Box 206 Hummelstown, Pennsylvania 17036 (717) 566-8131 INNER SPACE Jim Brummett P. O. Box 451 Georgetown, Texas 78626 (512) 863-5545 LAKE SHASTA CAVERNS H. L. Anderson P. O. Box 801 O'Brien, California 96070 (916) 238-2341 LAUREL CAVERNS David Cale P. O. Box 1095 Uniontown, Pennsylvania 15401 (412) 329-5968 LINCOLN CAVERNS Huntingdon, Penna. Mr. & Mrs. Myron Dunlavy 5231 Simpson-Ferry Road Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania 17055 (717) 766-8355


N.C.A. Membership page 2 LOST SEA Joe Waggoner Sweetwater, Tennessee 37874 (615) 337-6616 LOST WORLD CAVERNS Henry Lindsay Box 247 Lewisburg, West Virginia 24901 (304) 645-1067 LURAY CAVERNS H. T. N. Graves P. O. Box 389 Luray, Virgin'a 22835 (703) 743-6551 MAMMOTH CAVE Albert A. Hamlin, Superintendent Mammoth Cave, Kentucky 42259 (502) 758-2251 MAMMOTH ONYX CAVE W. To Austin Box 527 Horse Cave, Kentucky 42749 (502) 786-2634 MARENGO CAVE Gary Roberson P. O. Box 217 Maren90, Indiana 47140 (812) 365-2128 MARK TWAIN CAVE Robert Bogart Box 822 Hannibal, Missouri 63401 (314) 221-1656 MARVEL CAVE Jack Herschend Silver Dollar City, Missouri 65616 (417) 338-2611 MEREMAC CAVERNS Robert E. Hudson Jesse James Hideout Stanton, Missouri 63079 (314) 468-4156 NATURAL BRIDGE CAVERNS Mrs. Clara Heidemann RL 3, Box 515 Natural Bridge, Texas 78218 (512) 651-6101 NATURAL STONE BRIDGE and CAVES Edward B. Beckler Pottersville, New York 12860 (518) 494-2283 OHIO CAVERNS Marion Smith Rt. 1 West Liberty, Ohio 43357 (513) 465-4017 OLENTANGY INDIAN CAVERNS Floyd R. Artman 1779 Home Road Delaware, Ohio 43015 (614) 548-7917 Winter: 6442 Hollywood Blvd. Sarasota, Fla. 33581 ONONDAGA CAVE Will i am Breen Leasburg, M'ssouri 65535 (314) 245-3515 ONYX CAVE Mrs. Muriel Schmidt Box 330, Rt. 1 Eureka Sprin9s, Arkansas 72632 (501) 253-9431 PENN'S CAVE W. P. Camp be 11 R. E. Sch1eiden Centre Hall, Pennsylvania 16828 (814) 364-1664 POLAR CAVES John E. Bayliss Plymouth, New Hampshire 03264 (603) 536-1888 RUBY FALLS Carl Gibson P. O. Box 3160 Chattanooga, Tennessee 37404 (615) 821-2544 or 698-3369


N.C.A. Membership page 3 RUSHMORE CAVE Mr. & Mrs. L. W. Pullen Keystone, South Dakota 57751 (605) 255-4467 SENECA CAVERNS Dick Bell Bellevue, Ohio 44811 (419) 483-6711 SEQUOYAH CAVERNS Clark Byers RL 1 Valley Head, Alabama 35989 (205) 635-2311 SHENANDOAH CAVERNS Daniel Proctor Box 1, Caverns Road Shenandoah Caverns, Virginia 22847 (703) 477-3115 SKYLINE CAVERNS Thomas H. Gibson P. O. Box 193 Front Royal, Virginia 22630 (703) 635-4545 SQUIRE BOONE CAVERNS W. Fred Conway P.O. Box 411 Corydon, Indiana 47112 (812) 945-2617 .TUCKALEECHEE CAVERNS Ha rry Meyers Route 1 Townsend, Tennessee 37882 (615) 448-2274 WOODWARD CAVE Henry Burd Woodward, Pennsylvania 16882 (814) 349-5185 NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION Barbara Munson, Secretary 1026 Balmoral Drive Signal Mountain, Tennessee 37377 (615) 886-2995


TOUR BROKERS 1977 Listing -1A-I Tours, Inc., L. J. Slaughter, 4056 Fairmont Ave., P.O. Box 5489, San Diego, CA 92105 AAA World Wide Travel Agency, Carol S. Jones, 2201 San Pedro NE, Albuquerque, NM 87110 All State Tours, Robert Stimell, 26 Court Street, Brooklyn, NY 11242 Allied" Bus Corporation, Stanley Fisher, 165 W.46th Street, New York, N.Y. 10036 America Interstate Travel, William E. Hash, 579 High Street, Worthington, OH 43085 American Automobile Association, John Schwab, 4300 Biscayne Boulevard, Miami, FL 33137 Anthony Tour Service, Inc., Terrell Hinds, 6060 N. Central Expressway, Suite 672, Dallas Texas 75206 Arnold Tours, Inc., Arnold C. Rigby, 79 Newbury Street, Boston, MA 02116 Atlas Tours & Travel Service, Inc Royce C. Haddad, 333 N. Superior St., Toledo, OH 43604 Auto Club Services, Inc., William B. Craig, LaSalle @ 13th St., Minneapolis, MN 55403 Automobile Club of Missouri, Ed H. Cartlidge, Jr., 201 Progress Parkway, Maryland Heights, MO 63043 Automobile Club of So. Indiana, Inc., Andrew H. Albrecht, Jr., 300 SE Riverside Dr., Evansville, IN 47713 Bailey Travel Service, Fred Bailey, 123 E. Market St., York, PA 17401 Beaver Valley Travel Service, Charles Marsico, 725 Eleventh St., Beaver Falls, PA 15010 Beckham Travel Service, Inc., Bruce Beckham, 587 Washington St., Canton, MA 02021 Betty's Tours, Inc., Beverly G. David, 425 Mission St., San Francisco, CA 94105 Biss Tours, Inc., Micky Biss, 63-02 Woodhaven Boulevard, Rego Park, NY 11374 Bixler Tours, Inc., James O. Spencer, Box 37, Hiram, OH 44234 Bluefield Automobile Club, A. B. Norconk, Jr., P. O. Box 90, Bluefield, WV 24701 Bor ner Tours, Edwin Bortner, 3950 Saranac Dr., Sharpsville, PA 16150 But:ler Travel Tours, Inc. Martha J. Monazynski, 18 Dunstable Rd., No. Chelmsford, MA 01863 Campus Coach Tours, Bert J. Askwith, 545 Fifth Ave., New York, NY 10017 Canton Auto Club, Inc., Don L. Schrag, 2722 Fulton Dr., NW, P.O. Box 8499 Canton, OH 44711 Carol Tours Travel Service, Adele Weiss, 800 S. Florissant Rd., St. Louis, MO 63135 Chi-AM Tcurs, Inc., Ignace Cheng, 7 East Broadway, 2/F, New York, NY 10038 Colle te Travel Service, Inc., Daniel J. Sullivan, 52 Exchange St., Pawtucket, RI 02860 Columbus Au omobile Club, Joanne Huther, 174 E. Long St., Columbus, OH 43215 Columbus Tours, Francis J. Dasaulniers, 15 Stoughton St., Dorchester, MA 02125 Conner Tours, Inc., John Grover, 202 S. Lake Ave., Suite 240, Pasadena, CA 91101 Continen al Trailways Tours, D. A. Scott, 315 Continental Ave., Dallas, TX 75207 Crawford County Auto Club, Jean Gradnerm 314 5. Sandusky Ave., P. O. Box 648, Bucyrus, OH 44820 Dan Dipert's Travel Service, Dan Dipert, Box 580, Arlington, TX 76010 Daytona Beach Tours, Inc., Douglas P. Stoffers, 1825 Brackett Ave., P.O. Box 1065, Eau Claire, WI 54701 Denver Boulder Bus Co., D. B. James, 1760 14th St., Box 2160, Boulder, CO 80302 Domenico Tours, V. Di.Domenico, 707 Broadway, Bayonet NJ 07002 Dorothy M. Knoll Travel Agency, Dorothy M. Knoll, 11979 Frankstown Rd., pittsburgh, PA 15235 Dorsey Tours, Inc., Daisy Dorsey, 504 Elizabeth Ave., South Charleston, WV 25303 Dunrite Travel & Tour Service, Howard D. Dunn, 4010 E. State St., Rockford, IL 61108 East Coast Parlor Car Tours, John E. Smith, Jr., 1425 H St., NW, Suite 206, Washington, DC 20005 Emery Travel Service, Tania M. Walter, South Avenue & Main St., Bradford, PA 16701 Empire State Trailways, Bill Hanselman, 187 Midtown Plaza, Rochester, NY 14604 Faldmo Tours, I. Mark Faldmo, 88 West 500 South, Bountiful UT 84010 Far Corners Travel Service, James Knepper, 221 West Patriot St., Somerset, PA 15501 Forlow Tours, William H. Furry, 716 S. Main St., South Bend, IN 46618 Fox Travel, Inccl Joseph P. Hofrichter, Suite 404-Carew Tower, Cincinnati, OH 45202 Fred Bunge Tours, A. Frederick Bunge, 1311 Tourmaline St., San Diego, CA 92109 Frontier Travel & Tours, David Lippincott, 1932 N. Carson St., Suite 105, Carson City, NV 89701 Gadabout Tours, Inc., Lois Anderson, 600 E. Tahquitz-McCallum Way, Palm Springs, CA 92262 Gem Tours, Jerry Chaput, 325 W. Anapamur St., Santa Barbara, CA 93101


-2Gold Ribbon Tours, Inc., W. Roy Brown, 424 Central Ave., St. Petersburg, FL 33731 Gcod Will Tours, Inc., Henry Watkins, Box 236, Erie, KS 66733 Gough Tours, Dorothy Gough, P. O. Box 5827, Winston-Salem, NC 27103 Grace Conklin Tours, Grace Conklin, Benson Manor Apts., #114, Jenkinstown, PA 19046 Grand N'Lional Tours, Inc., Robert E. Krebs, 435 Galleria Bldg., 600 SW 10th Ave.,, OR 97205 Gray Line Tours, Inc., Steven C. Caplin, 25 New Charden St., Boston, MA 02114 Gray Line, Inc., Dee Larson, 16816 Lake St.reet Extension, Minnetonka, MN 55343 The Gray L~ne Travel Club, Howard W. Torrible, 6800 Main St., Suite 248, Hous on, TX 77030 Green Carpet Tours, Ltd., Norman Kneisel, 4 North Broadway, Billings, MT 59101 Greyhound World Tours, Inc., R. E. Halpin, Greyhound Tower, Phoenix, AZ 85077 Group Travel Unlimited, Boris Winston, 222 Warren Ave., P.O. Box 145, Plymouth, MA 02360 Grcups Unllmited, Inc., Leonore Enken, 15 Central Park, West, New York, NY 10023 Hageys Tours (Indian Valley Tours), David W. Schmidt, Souderton-Harleysville Pike, Franconia, PA 18924 Harmon Travel Service, Earl Harmon, 604 N. 16th St., Box 7727, Boise, ID 83707 Hemisoheric Travel, Joseph D. Mason, 101 E. Washington Ave., Madison, WI 53703 High Adventure Tours, Lynn Herzig, 3009 James St., Syracuse, NY 13206 HiJlsen'" Holiday Tours, Jane E. Hillsen, 102 Orange St., P. O. Box 3, Redlands, CA 92373 HolIday Teurs, Inc., Dolores L. Swanson, 192 E. Main St., Fredonia, NY 14063 Ho1mgrain's Personal Tours, Dale F. Holmgrain, RR #2, Box 721, East Moline, IL 61244 Hoosier Motor Club, James W. Parks, 40 West 40th St., Indianapolis, IN 46208 Imperial Tour & Travel, Inc., Raymond A. Dodge, 628 NW Sixth Ave., Portland, OR 97209 Ja-Mdr Tours, James W. Van Gernert, 1945 28th St., SW, Wyoming, MI 49509 Jefferson Tours, Avery C. Kolstad, 106 Glenwood Ave., Minneapolis, MN 55403 ~ohan3en Royal Tours, Ralph A. Johansen, 1410 Vance Building, Seattle, WA 98101 JchnsLown Holiday Travel Agency, Inc., Shirley A. Swertz, 140 Park Place, Johnstown, PA 15907 Kent/Sussex Travel Agency, Karen O. Spence, R.D. #2, Box 114C, Greenwood, DE 19950 Knoxville Tours, Inc., Carl E. Rhyne, P. O. Box 12032, Knoxville, TN 37912 Laughlln Tours, Inc., D. A. Marshall, 2600 Wilshire Boulvevard, Los Angelos, CA 90057 Le Beau Tours, Inc., Harry S. LeBeau, 6 East 43rd St., New York, N.Y. 10017 Lincoln Terminal Company, Inc~, Edward C. Mohr, First Street & Lexington AVebt Lakewood, NJ 08701 Li:1coln Teur & rravel, Hal Mischnick, 1st National Bank Bldg., P. O. Box 81008, Lincoln NE 68501 LOUlsvllle Automobile Club, Joseph Gumprecht, 435 E. Broadway, P. O. Box 1113, Lousiville, KY 40202 The Mary Karnrn Tours, Inc., Mary Karnrn, Box 771, 145 W. Eighth St., Cambridge, OH 43725 Mary Lee Tours, Inc., Mary H. Lee, 307 Weldon St., P. O. Box 511, Latrobe, PA 15650 Maupintour, Inc., Torn Maupin, 900 Massachusetts St., P. O. Box 807, Lawrence, KS 66044 Maxam Tour & Travel, Sylvia Koralewski, 5530 W. Forest Horne Ave., Milwaukee, WI 53220 MeGet 19an's Travel Bureau, Morbert J. McGettigan, 1609 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA 19103 McMullen Tours, Robert McMullen, 224 S. Broad St., Grove City, PA 16127 Meston Travel Center, Harvey Meston, 3801 N. piedras St., El Paso, EX 79930 Meyer & D~etrel Tours, Ltd., Jules E. Novak, 4788 N. 126th St., Butler, WI 53007 ML11er Tours, Inc., Charlotte Miller, 6100 N. Keystone Ave., Indianapolis, IN 46220 Mr. Happy Travel Service, R. Z. Happy Cohen, One Southern Shopping Center, Norfork, VA 23505 Mcdern Travel Service, Don Ferrone, 530 S. Michigan Ave., Chicago, IL 60605 Mollie J. Beardsley Tours, Ruth E. White, 65 NE 27th St., Miami, FL 33137 The Moore Tours, Inc. ,Frances M. Wall, P. O. Box 17713, Charlotte, NC 28211 Muskingum Motor Club, Loren E. vinsel, 1120 Maple Ave., Zanesville, OH 43701 Na .1Onal Meh1 Tours, Inc., U. S. Meh1, 111 Weat Washington St., Chicago, IL 60602 Niagara Tour Brokers, Bruce Woof, 2988 Portage Rd No., Niagara Falls, Ontario L2] 2J5, Canada Nielson Tours, Inc., willis Nielson, P. O. Box 1441, Mesa, AZ 85201 The Ohio AAA Association, Thomas J. Jones, 6155 Huntley Rd., Columbus, OH 43229 Paragon Travel Agency, Inc., Jim Penler, 680 Purchase Street, New Bedford, MA 02741 Parker Tours, Inc., S. William Passeggio. 125 W. 43rd St., New York, NY 10036 Parkhil1s' Tours, Inc., Torn Parkhill, 700 S. Neil St., Box 794, Champaign, IL 61820 Peak Tours, Inc. Joseph Goldwasser, 134 N. Franklin St., Hempstead, NY 11550


-3Peninsula Motor Club, Donald Myers, 1515 N. Westshore Blvd., Tampa, FL 33622 Fiedmont Tours, Ted C. Davis, Box 178, Piedmont, SC 29673 Pleasure Craft Tours, Harold B. Crafts, 2320 W. Broad St., Richmond, VA 23220 Presley Tours, Inc., Donald R. Presley, Route #1, Makanda, IL 62958 Ridgeway Tours, Inc., Robert C. Shenk, 7 Central Plaza, Lancaster, PA 17602 Roamer Tours, Inc., Maurice Hughes, Fifth & Washington Streets, Reading, PA 19601 Roger Q. Williams Tours, Inc., Richard A. Etherson, P. O. Box 10322, Knoxville, TN 37919 Shaffer Travel Service, Inc., Clyde H. Chaffer, 166 Columbus Ave., P. O. Box 630, Vandergrift, PA 15690 Shenandoah Tours, Inc., Robert E. Everidge, 2301 Poplar St., Staunton, VA 24401 Ski Action, Inc., Ray E. Hassan, 35-47 Junction Boulevard, Corona, NY 11368 Ski Haus Tours, Denslo F. Hamlin, Route 22 @ 312, Brewster, NY 10509 Snodgrass Tours, Pauline Snodgrass, 811 Elm Street, Martins Ferry, OH 43935 Staats-Herold Tours, Erwin Steuer, 36-30 37th Street, Long Island City, NY 11101 S ewart Tours, A. V. Stewart, 3205 King Street, Portsmouth, VA 23707 Talmage Tours, Inc. George Talmage, 1223 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19107 Tauck Tou,rs, Inc., Arthur C. Tauck, Jr., 11 Wilton Road, Westport, CT 06880 Thomas Cook, Inc., A. J. Drbal, 587 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10017 Thrifty Tours, Inc., Barbara R. Womack, 11123 Byrd Court, Fairfax, VA 22030 Toledo Automobile Club, Paul Phillips, 5106 Heatherdowns Boulevard, Toledo, OH 43614 'Tourtime Travel, Inc., William A. Brown, 219 Main St., Lakewood, NJ 08710 Trans America Travel Service, Inc., Udo Koch, 485 Madison Ave., New York, NY 10022 Trans World Travel, Inc., James M. Gibbs, 1338 Old Skokie Road, Highland Park, IL 60035 Travel House of Buffalo, Bill Doody, Hotel Statler Lobby, BuffalO, NY 14202 Travel Service, Inc., Pat Richardson, 110 Kentucky Towers, Louisville, KY 40202 Travel & Tour Service, Inc., David L. Rowley, 722 N. Third St., Milwaukee, WI 53203 Travel Tours, Inc., D. Jack Pharr, P. O. Box 25403-6101 Idlewild Rd., Charlotte, NC 28212 Travelcade Tours, Joe Casser, 201 W. 41st St., New ,York, NY 10036 Txaveli g Texans Tours, Ince, Drewise Davis, 6060 N. Central Espressway, Suite 672, Dallas, TX 75206 Trentway Tours Limited, James Devlin, P. O. Box 772, 680 Queensway, Peterborough, Ontario K9j 7A2 Universal Travel Agency, Inc., Joseph S. Schwertz, Sr., 540 Audubon Bldg., 931 Canal SL, New Orleans, LA 70112 Van ZLle popular Tours, F. C. Van Zile, 1786 Monroe Avenue, Rochester, NY 14618 Viking Travel Agency, Jan Ewing, 141 Kings Highway East, Haddonfield, NJ 08033 Wayne Travel Service, Wayne C. Lacock, 1031 Jenkins Arcade Bldg., pittsburgh, PA 15222 Weit Tours, Inc., Joseph B. Glasse, 28 N. Lansdowne Ave., Lansdowne, PA 19050 Wery Travel Service, Inc., Clayton A. Wery, 634 N. 27th St., Milwaukee, WI 53208 Westchester Tours, Inc., Stephen M. Goldmann, Railroad Station, Depot Plaza, White Plaines, NY 10606 Western Travel Merchants, Richard H. Ludewig, P. O. Box 1570, Cody, Williams Travel Service, Thomas G. Williams, 2330 Calverton Heights Wilmington Travel World Wide Travel Service, Inc., Agency, Finley Edward L. Waterman, P. Myers, Jr., 1221 WY 82414 Ave.;, Baltimore MD 21216 1118 West St. Wilmington, DE 19801 First Ave., No., St. Petersburg, FL 33705 Wyckoff Travel Bureau, Peter Wyckoff, 564 Main St., Stroudsburg, PA 18360


NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION Barbaro Munson, Secretary. Treasurer 10Z6 B"LMDRAL DRIVE BtGN L MOUNTAIN, TENNESSEE 37377 URGENT IMMEDIATE REPLY REQUESTED December 11, 1976 To: Subject: National Caves Association Members cooperative Radiation Monitoring Program After extensive review and discussion of the published reports, papers presented at the 1976 Cave Management Symposium, and news media articles regarding natural radiation in caves, our members voted during our recent NCA Annual Meeting to develop a cooperative radiation Monitoring program for ~hose of our members who wished to participate. This would provide, on a cooperative basis, information for the individual cave owner and also provide information for future reference and use by the NCA. The cost of this study would be divided equally among the participating caves and they would be billed for their share. Mr. Jack Herschend, of MARVEL CAVE, agreed to head this prcgram. It is felt that with this information the National Caves Association would be able to assume a position of leadership and to speak with authority regarding the safety, from a standpoint of radiation, of commercial caves. To date, most of the information is based on studies made in uranium mines and in National Park Service caves. Some meetings with state and federal regulatory agencies have already been held and others are scheduled. Our members and the NCA need accurate data with which to meet various industry-related problems regarding radiation. Accurate information is also needed for the formulation of factual, non-scare media releases, should. they be needed at some future time. For these, and other reasons, it is felt the monitoring should be begun as soon as possible. Specialized equipment and training are necessary. Jack has discussed the NCA needs with qualified consultants and has determined that each member's share of the program will be between $500.00 and $700.00. This will include field monitoring of radiation levels in the portions of each participating cave that are open to the public, a written report to each cave of the findings, liaison between the NCA and state and federal agencies, and a final report to the NCA. It is expected that approximately two days will be required for each cave all travel and lodging expense will be included in the pro-rated charge. Jack is making every effort to keep the expense of this program as low as possible consistent with quality scientific research. In an effort to lower the expense for the majority of the members it has been suggested that the caves in the far west might be asked to pay an additional amount to cover the travel expenses for the much greater distances to their caves. This, and the exact pro-rated amount for each member would, of course, depend on the final arrangements with the consultant chosen, and on the number of caves wishing to participate in the


-2Cooperative Radiation Monitoring Program December 11, 1976 prcgram. As soon as the exact amount has been established, each participating member will be billed, and to avoid costly delays, will be requested to pay on receipt of the statement. No cave will be monitored until their share has been paid. This will be a cooperative effort and expenses for all can be kept as low as possible through prompt individual response. A return card is enclosed, please return it as soon as possible, indicating whether or not you wish to participate in this radiation monitoring program. If you have any questions, please contact Jack Herschend Program Head, Roy Davis Na ional Caves Association President, or this office. Sincerely, NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION Ba~~~retary BCM!cr Enc. (to be returned)

Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves
Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965
by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial
members sought to bring together show cave owners and
operators from across the United States to promote the show
cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas,
and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave


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