Cave Talk

Cave Talk

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Cave Talk
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Cave Talk
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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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N'CA Cave Talk NATIONAL CAVES ASSOCIATION August 20, 1997 Barbara Munson, Coordinator 4138 Dark Hollow Rd. McMinnville, TN 37110 Phone (615) 668-3925 Fax (615) 668-3988 CONVENTION NOTES .... Be sure to include BULL SHOALS CAVERNS, at Bull Shoals, Arkansas, in the list of caves to visit Friday, Sept. 26th. It's on the PostConvention trip map you'll receive at Registration, but thru an oversight Hasn't included on the list in the Convention mailing .... .. TRUITT'S CAVE, at Lanagan, Missouri, is mentioned as a cave to visit before the Convention, hOHever, because of her health, Gloria and Joe Davies, have decided to close for regular tours after Labor Day. Next year they plan to have the cave open only from Memorial Day thru Labor Day. They have Hithdrawn their application for NCA membership . . . Former member ONYX CAVE, at. Eureka Springs, is no" operated by Bob Schmidt, and offers an electronic, self-guided tour. We're Helcome to visit, and check out the electronics, any time during the Convention Week. Some members Hill remember visiting this cave during the 1979 NCA Convention Hhen it Has operated by Bob's mother, Muriel. ...... Al though the schedule includes visi ting the caves to the I'lEST of Eureka Springs during the Pre-Convention tour and those to the EAST for the Post-Convention acti vi ties you will be welcome at any of the caves anytime. ALERT In 1990 Lincoln Caverns, Inc. published a book entitled, 'Caves and Caverns Activity Book.' Many NCA members purchased this book from Lincoln Caverns for resale in their gift shops. Trench Manufacturing of Buffalo, NY printed the first edition of this book, but all activities and art Hork contained Hithin the book Here originals done by Lincoln Caverns' staff. Since 1990, the book has been printed else"here. It has come to the attention of Lincoln Caverns that Trench /1anufacturing in turn sold the activity book to other caves, changing the artHork slightly, but plagiarizing the various puzzles and some of the book's text. Trench Hanufacturing was sold four years ago to 'Tag Express' of Texas and South Carolina. This company still produces coloring books and activity books for attractions. If any NCA me~er cave has purchased 'their own' activity book from Trench/Tag Express since 1990, please contact Ann Molosky at Lincoln Caverns, Inc. 814643-0268. Realizing this unauthorized use of our material is no fault of the cave, but of the companies known as Trench/Tag Express, Lincoln Caverns requests only that caves selling 'their own' activity book containing material from the Lincoln Caverns publication give proper credit to the authors of the book and any further pursuit of this matter by Lincoln Caverns will be "ith Tag Express. WORKSHOP An International Harketing vlorkshop "ill be held October 14, Houston, Texas, in conjunction with TIA's Discover USA 1997. TIA members and non-members, registration is $95.00. We can of the Registration brocllure to you, if you are interested. 1997 in Open to Fax a copy HOW'S BUSINESS? Of the t"enty caves that have returned their Economic Impact cards so far for July, one reported still being closed because of road construction, t"o reported being even Hith last year, eleven reported being up an average of 10.05% (high 21.5%, 10" .05%), and six have reported being down an average of 9.7% (low 1.0%, high 18%).


LANDMARK SENECA CAVERNS was officially designated as a Registered Ohio National Landmark on Wednesday, July 16, 1997. In addition, an Ohio Senate Proclamation recognizing the honor was presented to Dick & Denice Bell during the ceremony. The very attractive plaque is now on display at the Caverns. The Landmark Program is administered by the Ohio Dept. of Natural Resources. 1998 RATES For the year 1998 Adult tickets at FANTASTIC CAVERNS will be $13.95, and children $7.75. Russ Campbell says, "~Ie hate to see prices go up ... but the increases are modest and just cover inflation. Anything more would be greedy ... anything less ,lOuld be foolish." SHOWS The innovative use of state of the art equipment to produce sound and light shows in their caves by three NCA members, LAUREL CAVERNS' David Cale, DeSOTO CAVERNS" Al Hathis, and CAVE OF THE IrINDS" Grant Carey, is discussed in the July/August 1997 issue of Tourist Attractions & Parks. The article, "Putting The Show In Show Caves" also quotes RUBY FALLS" Ronnie Burke, Kathy Kunkle, manager at Pennsylvania"a CRYSTAL CAVE, and HERAllEC CAVERNS' Judy Turilli. 1998 OPENING During a brief groundbreaking ceremony at Cathedral Caverns State Park, Alabama Governor Fob James and officials of the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources said more than $1.3 million is being spent on the development slated to open in mid-1998. RIPPLE EFFECT A Press Release about the new digitized historical presentation in the Husic Hall of HARENGO CAVE led to a feature story in the Bloominqtoll Herald 'rimes, which was picked up by the Associated Press. This led to sizable articles in a dozen Indiana daily newspapers. This article combined with major TV/Billboard advertising in the Louisville market lead to a substantial attendance increase in July. WATER, WATER 25" of rain in less than twenty four hours dumped a lot of I.later on parts of Texas! .... During July, including weekend of the 4th, parts CAVERNS had 90" to 100" feet of water and their tour from both ends. Tours are now back to normal of NATURAL BRIDGE showed the cave . . The water was I-Iaist high in the Gift Shop, Jill's and Pat" s home, and other buildings at CASCADE CAVERNS, and of course the cave was flooded. The water went do,m fairly quickly outside, and pumps in the cave helped empty it but liHAT A tlESS! They were closed for about a I.,eek .... At INNER SPACE, although the \-later came up more slowly starting around June 23, it stayed! The water eventually got up to the foot of the tram at the entrance, and the cave, although not the Gift Shop and the Gem Stone Operation, was closed for 10 days over Hemorial Day weekend. They then offered a reduced rate, Interpretative Tour and Tram Ride to view the water in the cave. Although the last room was still not open, walking tours were resumed July 30th. Lisa and her skeleton crew fought all sorts of battles with the "ater! NOTE FROM EMILY Because of conflicts, Emily Davis Hobley, PO Box 10, Schoharie, NY 12157, phone: 518-295-7981, e-mail: will not be at the Convention this year, but says she I-lill miss everyone at the NCA. She hopes you will contact her for Wildlife Artists plush and gift


CAN'T WIN! CHANGING KENTUCKY items, including great beanbags and for Speleobooks bat and cave items. Watch for her new flyer this Fall when planning your 1998 purchases. The State of Indiana passed a budget which included 4 additional parttime cave guide positions at ~NANDOTTE CAVES. Unfortunately the bill included a 5% cut in the same budget making it difficult to fund the new positions! This year the cave tour at FANTASTIC CAVERNS focused on man and caves (history). The 1998 cave tour will focus on the natural history and science of caves. The new tour will begin this December. Russ Campbell, the guides, and the visitors all seem to enjoy and appreciate the variety. An August 6, 1997 article in The Christian Science llonitor mentions NCA members AllERICAN CAVE HUSEUH and HIDDEN RIVER CAVE as well as KENTUCKY DO~m UNDER, both at Horse Cave, Kentucky. DISCONTINUED CRYSTAL CAVE in Spring Valley, Wisconsin, will not be doing their Christmas Store this year. \"eather was the major factor in this decision last year they lost 6 out of the seven I,eekends the store was open and the year before ice on the roads and in the parking lot was a constant problem. This was a cooperative effort ,lith area craftspeople and often items weren't available as promised and advertised. However, the store did increase area a>lareness of CRYSTAL CAVE and folks came back to take tours when the Cave was open. OiANGED .... The new address for CASCADE CAVERNS is 226 Cascade Caverns Rd., Fair Oaks Ranch, TX 78015. The Area Code has also been changed, the number is 830-755-8080. NCA members >lanting to talk with o,mer Jill Beardsley, should call her at 830-755-2400, her private number ... The phone number for NATURAL BRIDGE CAVERNS, 210-651-6101, remains the same, but the Area Code for the Fax has changed, the FAX number is 830-438-7432 . ... On September 15th, our Area Code at the NCA Office will change. Our number >lill be 931-668-3925, the Fax will be 931-668-3988. .... Also on Sept. 15th, the Area Code for CUllBERLAND CAVERNS will change. The number will be 931-668-4396, Fax, 931-668-5382. NEW SHOP TICKETING llARK T\'/AIN CAVE's new "Treasure HollOl," gift shop includes "The Teacher's Pet", an educational shop ..... Norman Rochwell Collectables" ... A Quilt/Antique Shop ... and "Candles A-Glow", a candle factory . . Even if you are just thinking about electronic ticketing, Brian Vauter at NATURAL BRIDGE CAVERNS, 210-651-6101, would be happy to share their findings and experience with you-he's done a lot of research into the various systems, and says, among other things such systems can be useful marketing and tracking tools even for caves with a very low volume of business ..... BLANCHARD SPRINGS CAVERNS hopes to be using an electronic ticketing and reservation system soon. Perhaps I,e will see it in operation when >Ie visit in September.

Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves
Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965
by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial
members sought to bring together show cave owners and
operators from across the United States to promote the show
cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas,
and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave


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