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Speleo Spiel
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Speleo Spiel
Southern Tasmanian Caverneers
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The Tasmanian Caverneering Club was formed on 13 September 1946. Initially, information was provided to members through a circular, copies of which exist back to November 1947. "Speleo Spiel, Circular of the Tasmanian Caverneering Club" was first published December 1960. Eight issues of this are known, up to May 1962. In April 1964 a "Circular" was again issued and seems to have continued, irregularly, until March 1966. Then in April 1966, a "New Series" of Speleo Spiel commenced, as a monthly newsletter. In December 1996 The Tasmanian Caverneering Club amalgamated with the Southern Caving Society and the Tasmanian Cave and Karst Research Group to form the Southern Tasmanian Caverneers. The combined group agreed to continue to publish "Speleo Spiel" as its bi-monthly newsletter, as continues today (2015). Speleo Spiel is a vehicle for recording the cave and karst-related activities, and particularly the achievements, of the Southern Tasmanian Caverneers. It also carriers technical and scientific reports, reprints, reviews and other information likely to be of interest to members from time to time.
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No. 115 (Aug 1976)
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Page 1. Newsletter of the Tasmanian Caverneering Club. President: Andrew Skinner, 1 Randall St; Sandy Bay. 7005 Secretary: Tony Culberg, 16 Nelumie St; Lindisfarne. 7015 President Maydena Branc3: Max Jeffries, 66 South Ave; Maydena. 7457 Editor Speleo Spiel: Laurie Noody, 13 ?Kason St; Claremont. 7011 Phone: 49 3316 FORWARD PROGRUTTE 4 August 7-8 : Mole Creek:Leader: Andrew Skinner. August 11 : General Meeting:Tony Culberg's place, 16 Nelumie St; Lindisfarne, 8 PM, Sharp!! Booze-up afterwards. August 14 : Maydena:Leader: Possibly Andres Skinner. August 21 : Naydena: Leader: Andrew Skinner or i~lbert Goede, &fi~.vr %*sic'! August 25 : Wednesday:"wet the baby's headw evening at 13 Mason St: Claremant. August 28 : Maydena Area:Numbering trip Leader: Laurie 9oody. September 1 : General Meeting:-n'" 1 .L September 4-5 : Mole Creek:Leader: Ardraw SkinnerT%&mt September 18 : ANNUAL D~1~R:Carlyle Hotel, Dement Park. BOOK NOW!! EDITORIAL A fairly quiet month with three ham trips takk place, One of these was to Mole Creek to investigate the apparent discovery of a new cave not far from King Solomon Cave. A numbering trip was also carried out in the Florentine Valley and a trip was also made to Hastings. My editorial in the July issue of Speleo Spiel has met with a somevhat mixed reaction but it also resulted that a proposed meeting be held beheen delegates of XC and SCS in the near future to discuss the pros and cons of amalgamation. The main point of cofitention appears to be the name change! The Editors of the SCS magazine Southern Caver have voiced their strong disapproval of any amalgamation in a 'Stop Pressf type editorial in their July issue. I have since been informed that these comments were not neccessarily those of all SCS members, It is hoped that a plan of some description can be deirised and presented to each club in the near futurk. Anyme wishing to voice their appr'oval or dis-apnroval in regard to an canalgamation between SCS and EC is kiudly asked to do so by writing to the editor of Speleo Spiel. AI1 letters nil1 he published. REWLCTION OF ROY S IGNATION EXPLWATION The note in the July issue of Speleo Spiel regarding my retirement from caving mas due to my nif e 'S (~mily ) taking over as manageress of IrIrs. Bridges restaurant at 138 Collins St; Hobart (the best meal in tom). I expected that I vould have a heavy committment to assist with its operation, particularly at weekends. However, this has not proved to be the case and I find I can resume virtually all of my former activities, Roy Skinner. I would like to take this opportunity on behalf of the club in welcoming Heather Symes who was voted .in as a junior member at the August general meeti~g. Glad to have you!


Speleo Spiel. . CLUB NlTE Cont; -Two new cave nanes mere approved at the Liuast general meeting both are in the Florentine Valley. JF 91 : SOO~~~ CAYE (See cave descriptions) Page '3 JF 97 : TITANS SHIZTER (See cave descriptions 1 Page The position which has been vacant since the March Annual General meeting, has now been filled. Bill Nicholson has accepted this position and I feel sure that he will do his best in representing the Tasmanian Caverneering Club. Members are reminded that the ha1 Club Dinner (the 30th Year of TIX) will be held at the Botel carlyle on Saturday, September 18th. If you would like to attend, please contact Andrew Skinner at your earliest convenience. We would also like% to see any ex-members of TCC share in this celebration. RES IGNATION . ..p.. Owing to. the number of obligations that I am over-burdened with of late, I am forced to relinquish my position as Editor of Speleo Spiel. The position of Editor will be available after the completion of the September issue No.116. Due to the afore-mentioned obligations, I have been unable to do any caving over the last few months and have been forced to spend mast of my spare the hunched over a typewriter much to the consternation of my family. I would like to thank those people who have been supporting me over the last eighteen months an3 ask that the same support be given to whoever takes over as Editor of Speleo Spiel. I shall confinue to support the club as a committee member for as long as I am needed. Laurie Moody.' 43 + 4+ + + 44+ 4+ + + + LTTTER TO THE EDITOR _U_* U_.--_r-''Jell, well, the editor really went to town in his editorial in the July issue of the Spiel, It must have been one of those damp, dark July days'mhich saps the spirit, especially when you know that you can't get away on a caving trip because your wife is going to have a baby in the next week or so. Anyway, that 'S all behind you and conratulat ions on the new arrival (female ) . Is: the picture. really as black as it has been painted? We have not been very active of late. One problem is that all of the four active party leaders have found it difficult to run trips in recent months. Laurie and Andrew have both had family additions nhich naturally has curtailed their activities. Tony is in the process of moving into a new house and demolishing the old one and as for me,I've suffered.frorn back trouble, domestic problems and lack of transport. All these problems are likely to be temporary and no doubt me will become more active again. We do suffer from a shortage of young members and those ne do have are either frustrated by lack 'of transport or by lack of ambition to organise their own trips. some are drifting closer to SCS as 'the editor claims, there is nothing wrong with tbat provided that me do not lose them altogether through our m continued inactivity. Overlap of membership may be a good thing and should lead to closer cooperation and exchange of information. At present this leaves something to be desired. For example, Harris (1475) in Southern Caver 7 (1) claims that Bone Pit (JF'203) had not been exhaustively explored by TCC and thaT a passage 6.5m above the floor of the final pitch represellted a new discovery. In fact this passage had been explored as early as 19th March, 1960 by Jim Peterson and myself and is not only recorded in a trip report but also in Australian Outdoors of December, 1960 (~ohn Frank, p 76).


LETIER TO THE EDITOR Cont; We may well h'ave made sim2lar errors in some of our reports. What about amalgamati'on of TCC and SCS? I suggested this approach myself in an annual report some years ago but found only one other member in favour. There are obvious advantages. It riould enable a rationalisation of cave numbering, use of equipment, archives, conservation activity, publications and other activities. But there are disadvantaces. It is not likely to work unless a vast majority (say 8%) of the membership of both clubs is in favour of it. Also, such an amalgamation is most likely to be successful betmeen two active clubs viho can make an equal contribution. The present inactive phase of l'CC is not a go03 time for amalgamation and is not going to solve our problems. 'J?e can only solve these by becoming more active and close-hit ourselves. A recent example of our lack of enthusiasm and interest in what other cavers are doing is shorn by the attitude of uany club members to recent work done by the TCC bfaydena Branch. As the editor pointed out, some very y?orthuhile work is being done by John Parker and Steve and Annc Annan in the vicinity of Rift Cave (~~34). Very few members -have shm an active interest in this very promising project. Another disadvantage of amalgamation is that the name KC aust inevitably dieappear from the scene if an amalgamation occurs as this can only pork under a new name. l3 nould be a pity to see the name of Australia's oldest caving club disappear from the scene, -By all means, let's have closer ties ~ith SCS but at the same time let us be constructive and put some life back into TCC. Alhert Goede PS. Since this was mitten, I have received a copy of Southern Caver E (1) containing an editorial response by Dave Elliott and Ron Nann to the July editorial of Speleo Spiel. It seems that the Itbad men" of SCS (their words) are far from dead even if they do not hov~ how to spell "Spiel". It is unfortunate that onoextreme viewpoint has been put by two members who were involved in what Laurie called "this pitiful rift". One could have expected of the' editors that they would have also presented the viewpoints of their younger and more active members, some of nhom.are well horn to hold different views. The old argument is trotted out that there is nothing like "friendly rivalryw between two clubs to bring out the besf in people. That this is not true has been amply demonstrated by the ?'lontreal Olympj-CS. There are many sporting opportunities other than caving for those who like competing against their fellow man. To my mixd this has no place in caverneering and speleology. The number of new discoveries made isn't necessarily related to the amount of effort put in although it obviously helps. Caving gives one the opportunity to pit oneself wainst nature both physically and mentally and preferably as a closely related tern. Some get their enjoyment also from admiring and photographing the beauties of the underground world or from scientific investigation of cave evolution, underground water movement, cave biology, cave palaeontology and other aspects of speleolom. All this requires teamwork not cornpetion between teams. The "friendly rivalry" proclaimed by Ell'iott and Mann is "pie in the sky". This sort of attitude can only lead to secretive behaviour and non-publication of information. In the long m1 it is not in the interest of Tasmanian caving. The jointly hosted 1970 ASF Conference was a success not because of "friendly rivalry" but because a handful of individuals were prepared to work together regardless of r mhich club they belonged to. Albert Goede Florentine Valley on 12/7/76. Numbering carried out by Alhert Goede and Phillip Toss. m 91 : Small cave nith low and wide sloping entrance. Presence of fossil bones reported by Laurie Ploody. Sample excavation of bone deposit and further exgloration by dlbert Goede and Peter Nurray on 18/5/76. Bones incTude those of Ler-9~~ kitrtnr the-big PLei~toceneKangaroo~ Bo_oerCavel


CAVE NUHBERING ---.=U Cont; JF, 92 : Very smaIl cave with fissure type entrance with 2.5 metre drop. Approx. > 8 metres of low-roofed passage. A fevr recent bones. Located NW of JF 91 in same ridge. JT 93 : Small cave with sloping entrance made accessible by digging. Chimney followed by sloping passazes dmm to matertable. F'ossil bones exposed 'in roof and chiri~~ey. Located N3' of JF 92 in same rids. JF 94 : Two adjoinillg entrances (one horizontal, one sloping) each leading into very short passage. Located T of JT 93 in same ridge. Appears to be a new find. 95 : Sloping cave entrance marked with blue rag tied to sapling. Close to the Settlement Boad on opposite side from Begirvzers Luck Cave and in same ridge as Caves JF 91 to JF 95. Cave not entered. No details knom. (Cave approx. 10 metres long, no continuation. Explored May, 1976 by Moody and Jeffries). JF 96 : Small cave with sloping entrance on slope below JF 97 facing N. hill south of Cashion Creek and to the east of Cashion Creek Road. First investigated on Saturday, 8/5/76. Ref: Speleo Spiel 112, P.4. Trip report 8/5/76, JF' 97 : Large shelter cave located on slope above JF 96 facing NE below crest of hill south of Cashion Creek and to the east of Cashiol? Creek Road.Vas investigated nith &TZLViS field party on Sat. 15/5/76. Contains Pleistocene bones including extinct Ple istoceno kangaroo za,c=u,s titan. Short extension explored by Jim Stockton and Albert Goede. Not pushed to limit because of tightlless and strong animal smell (Devil?). Suggested name : Titam Shelter. Ref: Speleo Spiel 112, P, 4-5. Trip reports 8/5/76 and 15/5/76. JF 98 : Small cave with vertical entrance and two 5 metre pitches. Bones partly cemented in flovrstone at lowest point of cave. Entrance located on the ridge not far from JT 88. Bone material collected by A13ert Goede and Peter Yurray on 15/5/76. Ref: Speleo Spiel 112, P.4-5. Trip report 15/5/76. TfiE TEORS Flqrent he Valley Monciay, 12/7/76. Party: Albert Goede and Phillip 'Toss. The trip was run specially to catch up on numbering of some recently discovered caves in the areas around Settlement and Cashion Creek Roads. I arrived at the Barrier at about llarn. and found Phillip waiting for me as he had the day off thanks to the national strike. \gent to see Don Frankcornbe about the conservation of Beginner3 Luck Cave. He requested that we mark out the boundaries of the area we want reserved in paint and approach head office in Boyer. j We then went to Settlement Road and numbered some cave entrances on the SW side of the road, the opposite side from Beginners Luck Cave. JF 91 was a cave I had visited previously nith Peter Nurray in May and which hag a promising bone deposit. Ye did not enter tbe cave. JF 92 appears to he a nen find, discovered by following the same side of the ridge towards the I\m. The entrance is a fissure with a 2.5 metre drop followed by approx. 8 metres of low-roofed passage. A fern recent bones mere found. Cont. Page 5.


Sveleo Spiel. Page 5. Aufsust 1976. TRIP REPORTS C on t ; JF 93 is a cave entrance excavated by !lax Jeffries and Phillip voss. Via a 3 metre chimney an interesting system of passages can be explored which lead damn to the watertable. There is some decoration. Of particular interest nere rerimants of bone hearing cave fill exposed in the chimney and in the roof just bevond. Phillip executed a daring climb to recover a jaw bone in the roofexposure but unfortunately it broke. Excavation of the roof site mould require building a platform f6rst. JT C:4 ms a new find with tcro adjoining ei?tran~zes (one horizontal and one sloping downwards) each leading into a very short passage. It is located to the west of JT 93 but is of no particular interest. JF 95 was a sloping cave entrance marked with a blue rag tied to a sapling. It is close to Settlenent Road on the opposite side from Beginners Luck Cave. As it had been explored. previously we did not enter it. Le then returned to the vehicle for a late lunah. After lunch we went to Cashion Creek Road and first numbered a sloping entrance (m 96) to a small cave near the base of the hill helm a proninent shelter cave. The cave was not entered. Next me nunbered the shelter cave JF 97 and had another look at the extension found in May. A collapse hole in the floor revealed that much of the cave fill contains bones. The tight squeeze leading off was not pushed far after a strong animal smell and fresh Devil droppings were observed. Finally we visited a hole on the top of the ridge above JF 138 and numbered it JF 98. We did not enter it but collected some cave bones left on the surface from an earlier trip. Ye returned to Mayderra well satisfied with the day's work. I enjoyed afternoon tea at P11il. 'S before returni:~ to :robart. dlbert ~oedc. HASTINGS 10-11/7/76. Party: hdren Skinner, Greg Niddleton, Kevin Kiernan, G. Holloway and Bill Nicholson (almost 1. On the Friday evening Fre mere called out on the search for three children at Risdon TTale. Kevin and I left about 3am but Bill remained. Then I rang him next morning? l .r)r)pm he daid he was rather tired and had decided to "pike". Thus to Hastings. On Sunday morning the four of us headed into Newdegate in an attempt to investigate the aven in Hells Half Acre mith a scaling pole. Just inside the entrance, Greggts light failed he piked, and then there mere three. After deciding that six lengths of scaling pole, plus bolts, ladder, rope and other aiscellany was more than me could carry through the Sinney Tunnel, we proceeded with two ladders only. The aven was duly reached and investigated by Geoff and Kevin. They reported that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to scale due to loose rock. Xter some fm? on the mud slides we retired to the entrance. Upon seeing three tired heaps of mud emeree from the cave, most of the would-be tourists melted awzy in horror. The scaling pole was left in the electricity generating shed. fmdrew Skinner. MOLE CHEEK 31/7/76 1/8/76. -. Party: Andrew Skinner, Roy Skinner and Brent Nightingale. National Parks and Wildlife Officers reported a cave near King Solomon which mas reported as being "larger and. prettier" than the tourist cave. The aim of this trip was to investigate this find. On Saturday, me drove to Mole Creek in the rain and spent some time in King Solomon taking pictures (photographs). On Sunday morning the ''new" cave was investigated. It is a small system situated on the ridge mid-way between Diamond Cave and Maze Puzzle. There are three nain chambers at different levels. The first was rather poorly decorated and was trocged by Boy and Brent. The second chamber is at a higher level aqd has some good flomstone and stalactites. A steep flomstone bank drops into a streammay. This creek was not investigated as me did liot have a rope, After numbering the cava, we adjourfied to the ?~elvillets for wch appreciated cups of


Speleo Spiel. Pwe 6. August 1976. TRIP FBPORB Cont; coffee. Overall, the cave is not as good as expected but does contain some worthwhile decoration, Another trip is warranted to explore the streamway. Andrev Skinner. MOLE CmK 7-8/8/76. Party: Albert Goede (~eader), Andrew Skinner and Jean Thomas. The aim of the trip was to collect a broken stalagmite from Genghis Khan for use in later palaeoternperature determinations and also to inspect several small caves for possible hol~e deposits. Andrew and I left Hobart at 8 an. in pouring rain and net Jean at the Mole Creek Post Office at boon by which tine it had stopped raining. After a brief visit to the Mayberry Ponds, me vent to the hut for lunch and feud it clean and tidy. Uter lunch, me headed for Genghis Khan alo~g a ratlier mddy track. ihdrew declined coming into the cave with us as he had left his trog-suit behind at the hut. Jean and I had a good look at the cave. Fortunately, the daqage is not quite as bad as we had been led to believe and appears to be due to car~lessness rather than deliherate vandalism. We found the broken stalacite hut were unahle to piece the frap.ents together to nake a colplete atalagnite. It appears that sorte of it has heen souvernired so we did not collect it. Ve then inspected the loner levels of the cave where there is nuch old cave fill, At one poi~lt an upper level passage was noted with a false floor exploration requires a short climbing pole and could be worthwhile. After we-emerged froq the cave we had a quick look at the main entrance to Kubla Khan. Andrew then shoved us a small cave (FIC 104) at the back of Smes property. This turned out to be Elsies Cave (first explored about 1957). As me had no ladder, ne mere unable to mt in. '5'e then had an exciti2g tine driving the Holden back along the track some of it was done sideways and withthe help of thdrem and Jean's muscle pove r After spending the night at the hut we 17!ere greeted by brilliant sunshine which melted the last patches of snow around the place. We first visited Little Gem (TIC 22) but were unable to go beyond a 6m drop for lack of ladder. I collected a conplete recent skeleton of what appeared to be a brush-possm and an older incomplete skeleton of ~11iat is probably a 3andicoot. No really old hones mere fouqd in the cave fill. Next we visited warry Cave (1E 21). Access has heen qade easier by recent loggiqg tracks. Getting into the cave (and out again) was a different matter as atree had been dropped domn the entrance and as nell it nas eidremely muddy an2 slippery. The cave nay be short but is by no means snall. According to ilndren, the lake at the far e,?d was quite low. There mere sone interesting Iielictites on the roof vhich have unfortunately been coated with nud. A remnant of oldred cave fill was found near the entrance but did not appear to corltain any bones. The cave is interesting but there are no prospects for further exploration. We returned to the hut for lunch. In the afternoon Sefore going hone, we visited dlm Cliffs and its rustic surrounding&. Albert Goede + 4+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + CLTE ~~RlNG ElrOLE CRF337C. "* -MC I14 t Small cave, situated between Diamond Cave and Edaze P~zle;' some reasonable formation; small stream may be a downstream section of the stream in D'imond Cave; three main chambers on differing levels; located and recorded August, 1976, 5ut entered previously presumably by locals. Andrew Skinner. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A SPEEDY RE!C OTIERY Unbeknoh to nembers of the club (~ohart) hTax Jeffries recently entered ho3pital for a hernia operation. I hear that he is making a speedy 'recovery. Get nell soon, Max. Regards from Laurie and the rest of the moh!

The Tasmanian Caverneering Club was formed on 13 September
1946. Initially, information was provided to members through
a circular, copies of which exist back to November 1947.
"Speleo Spiel, Circular of the Tasmanian Caverneering
Club" was first published December 1960. Eight issues of this
are known, up to May 1962. In April 1964 a "Circular" was
again issued and seems to have continued, irregularly, until
March 1966. Then in April 1966, a "New Series" of Speleo
Spiel commenced, as a monthly newsletter.
In December 1996 The Tasmanian Caverneering Club
amalgamated with the Southern Caving Society and the
Tasmanian Cave and Karst Research Group to form the Southern
Tasmanian Caverneers. The combined group agreed to continue
to publish "Speleo Spiel" as its bi-monthly newsletter, as
continues today (2015).
Speleo Spiel is a vehicle for recording the cave and
karst-related activities, and particularly the achievements,
of the Southern Tasmanian Caverneers. It also carriers
technical and scientific reports, reprints, reviews and other
information likely to be of interest to members from time to