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The Texas Caver

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The Texas Caver
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Contents: Return to Fitton Cave, Arkansas / Pete Lindsley -- About rattlesnakes / H.E. Adams -- Annual membership list - please note -- Less mail? -- A speleological postage stamp? -- News of the Grottoes.
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Vol. 8, no. 1 (1963)
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TEXAS JANUARY 1963 CAVER OFFICIAL PUBLICATION OF THE TEXAS SPELEOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION -NATIONAL SPELIDLOGICAL SOCIETY

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COYBl1: A portion of Po;>(ell's Cave caver "'like Huches of Dallas. C 'hoto bj 'fer!"} Ihines) THE TBXAS CAVER Volume VIII, Nuwber 1 January, 1963 C 0 H T :c.: N T S &;'I'URlJ TO CAVE, AlL'Gi.ii SAS, by Pete Lindsley ------3 ABour by H .I!l. Adfl/IiS -------------------4 ANHUluJ LIST --PLEASE NOTE --------------. 5 IJ:i:S:3 ;,.A.IL? ------------------------------------------5 A POO'rAGE STA;':P? ----------,--------------5 If E 'vI S of the Grottoes -------------------.-. ----.------6 Cl .. is a monthly l)uhlicllticn of the SpeleoloGical Association <111, 1 i .f! i.n Al)tlene, Texas. Subscri1,tion is per year for 12 issues. 'mhlili tted for publication shou ld. be t,,::i,)ed, double-spn.ced and sent to the 8dit()r at 23lQ Joutll 3Jth street, Abilene, 'r8xas. l!:di tor-----------------Ja.118S Es tes CAVEl-{ Staff--------,---Geol'ge Gray John Lanier BElrt Cd. sHiml Ed. rn.rd deB8 .ry Bryant LilJ.y Re t Sh9 .de Judy Love Ji41 11 Orion Knox Carl Kumlth Pete Lindsley NW:r8 Secretary----------Irene Estes T iL:: ASSuCIA'rrON is the Texas reG':lon of the National Speleo-10 .-:ic.1.1 :':;oci,}ty,wi is composed of four N.oS.;;). Grottoes mid four cllving clubs. In acU it; on, all p ersons Iho are inter'3sted in caves and. ,rho seek to fulfill the purposes of t \ l C j ;nt;.o iwl Society are i iiCJI;bers of T.S.A. Ahil: }l1e Gro'!;to 2:-n n ::iout:-t 3;th t. Ahi l e : w Grotto 12 : n t 'lu:'",n il,,1. .:.hll:;:-) :.', AI.'" 1 ; 10 ( ; 1'0 t; to 31C(j I i n A:1 t oni 0, 'I'IJ::as Univer8i of Texas Grotto Box 7672 U.J:. Station Austin, Tex a s CAVING CLUBS San Colleee Speleo Soc. Box 3712 S.A.C. Stati.on San An,:;elo, t':;l'f l Speleo 30c. Box 95 S.Ll. Stlltiorl G eorccto-,'n, T 0 X.S SuI Ross Speleo Soc. Box 3C8, S.R. Station Alpine, Texas St. l 'ia:Cy's Univ. S.S. (Address unlmorm) San Antonio, Texas PUBLICATIONS The TEXAS CAVER (Etc .dress above) TEXAS S.i:)EIEOLOOICAL 7672 U.T. Station Austin 12, Texas

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RETURN TO FITTON CAVE, AR K. by h:.b Lindsle y In an effort to c heck out the ;;;any stories about .!i'i tton Cave in Arlm n -sas four D n llCl s-l!'ort j./orth Grotto 1:181.: -2.n ( l tlu'ee guests llinde the lon' tri:r to the Ar1cc:nsa.s Ozarks. The tri 11 reri.uireel ten to eleven hours from D r,llas to the cave entrmlee, excludinc a short detocr to Ol:lahoma' s CottomlOod Cave. The cave is on private property and is protected one of t h e b est cave entrance Gates the author ha.s seen. 'l'hrough careful planning, permisf'lion had. been obtained to enter the c ave over the Th anJ.::sgivinp; holidays 13.10ng H i th the ll;issouri School of J.:ines Grotto. After a quick check of the cn tr'mce room, it '-Ta S decided to IllI'l.J.:e our h ase cal!Jp at Camp 2 in the c ave. After SOtiG four hours of CI'lHllirl8', elil!,bing, cl.uck ,ral lcing, a n d too little we fiJlnlly rea ched our de8tinatiori ;.,:i th sever'l r1t.:.nclred pounds of food l1y arrived at a larg e slE, b of rode r!i th "Out" written on it. \>/e then realized. re had entered the Out Room from the bacl-. and the cave suddenly u:.ade a 180 dee-ree jwup. He ,yere no longer lost. Re to t h e others, w e found that the sot.m.d of :v2.ter simrly a fine mist at the baf:l8 of a :ra.terfalJ., and ,{e still had no vater. From the looks of the prussik 100f)S thr,t Fred brought b ac!" it Nas a mucUy, pit. An hour or so later after tI'Bversing a difficult route throug h craw lwnys awl breakdown, 1"e reached the g YfSlliil need le paflsa{':"" c'ur lulin destinati on for the c flv i nt3' trip \ /e had to be very careful to step onJ.y 1rhel'e others had stepped, be-cause the long needle formF..ti.ons had cov most o f the s::lndy-;'loored crawlway. \.je found two "helix" needles. Instead of strfli{';ht lik e::111 the others, these needles hl'l.(l er01m in aln.ost a per fect circle about b T O inches i n d iameter. About hlO ho ur:, aHd wmy rolls of film l ater, the rest of the g TOU p pulled George and I a m y from t h e heautiful g.Ypswn flow ers and nn[;c 1 hrdr nn d ,,e beean the trip bacl( to b n::e C U lIi;'. After 80):,e sixteen hours of eavin2 a -ar m m e a l and bedroll : releollle s ; 5:hts indeed. 'rhe next Ii're d a n d Gordon FeD/Io n "rellt north up the "I'leanders" as far RG t h e Round Eoom. The "i ''Canders'' is a hii';h jinding p assar-:e (very simila r to the Crevice Fasr;age in .Powell's C ave) 1 Ti th a n active strea ;lJ running under the P:l8S
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4 January, Vol. VIII, No. 1 THE TEXAS CAVER "d :ile G.c.-wrge a nd I t o o k sor,e more pictures of the flo lers. Returnine to c amp 3 0me l,q t er, 'tie f ound that all h u t J ohn 1:.-1c. rleci ded to r e tlJ.rn to t h e sur [''' c o Af t e r a hot !J.ec'. l and severa l hours s12C:; ) the t hree of u s also began the tr8' t o t h e entrance. A e found that ;"13 h arl s e t ,q G rotto record ,'ri th sorlle of t h 8 group s trl ying in the c ave for 66 con tinuOIl:1 hours (not Quite as long as l'ir. 1-'en w;-.n's 6 4 ( b y [> tn.Y). The trash bag for ::leV f m c v e r s lls ee. c l ; 'bide a n d flattened c n n s t :e reL,ov o d from the cave i : ei c:-hecl 30 to 40 pounds! A 1 t hou o nly f o u r llli of C : lVe h'.v e l)ee n lIF 'l)P .:d, it hr'J.s been estimp..ted t h' t t ( :';1'13 nre 2 8 uile s of c ave in all ( i Jon't 1-:110'; :'lCl'G it is thoUf Sh, as He m:re sec it). Of interest to any ;Lshin'S t o the trip to Arkansas, it :::;hould b e n o led th.:, t t h e c ave is closed :lHe1 locked ( and hm r!) a n d is on pri v l.t e prop 2rty. If my i nformation i s corr e c t t'.:O p e o :le lmve already been put in thfJ cl for tres f ,"l.ssin:::-. Anyone .rish ing to I:h .. trip should first obtain peni:is8 i on <'.nd a l s o the key to the cave. Als o ilTlport 'lll t is a e;uide in the c ave if poss i othe r,riso you l i .ll spend too IIIu.ch tilJ, e s-ettinf,' "un-lost". Addi tional ini'on::; t i o n m .. y 0 b t nined f rom the Dall:l:::; -l,'ort ',: o:r-t h G rotto. On a e lwin.': ; trill in e:.'11'l ) Spring o f 19G2, 11 o f s J )ohil'L-::8rs from Al-:iflo Uro t to :i. cc. cleve r bit o f stratecy i n ;.'i.l;h 1 r 't ttlesn:l1-::e of t h i.s c'.elic"lte s it u, t i m tL: l '!l; ) r l '
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TIlE TEXAS CAVER January, Vol. VIII, No.1 .5 Al'l"NUAL H E:?lBERSHI P LIST -PLEASE NOTE 'rhe Februar y issue of the CAVER i'Till incl u n e the annu a l mem b e rshiIJ list of the Texas Speleologica l Associc l tion of the Ira t:i onal Speleological S ociety, (Texa s Re eion). It will list a pprox imat ely 300 )8r 3 0n S inte:;"8s ted in and exp lori n g c a v e s from OV3 r the State o f Texas. All ;h o r eside in the s t a te, a n d 1ho are interested in the purpose and a ir.:s o f the NatiOYlal Socie t y a r e mem bers of T.S .A. The member:qhip lis t w'ill include n ames addresses, i'Theth e r or not N S S m embe r s n .nd xill b e groupe d into grottos, clubs, and independent c avers In order to make this as complete a list -a s poss-i..r ) l e "Te m u s t have thf name o f all c a v a r s If grottoes or clubs h ave not sent in a lis t of members and associates, p l e ase d o so a t your earliest convenience. in are: Those 11ho have sent in lists are: Abilene Grotto D allas-l"ort \'/orth Grott o Sul Ross Speleologica l Soci e t y Southwestern Speleo. Society San Ang elo College Speleo Society Those I-rho do not h ave lis t s sent University of Texas Grotto Alamo Grotto (On the i -lay) This is absolutely the last c all for memhersni p lists In addition, thHre shou l c l he a roster o f grotto club offic e r s included. If you blOH of othe r independent cav ers in v a r ious parts of the state, i t ,-rill be mucp a p preciated if their n."J.mes addres ses, are sent in s .nd a lso i.f they a r e N .;.i. S members. Th a n k y ou very much. Please sello l i.s t s to K atherine Goodbar, 6621 Sunnyl,:-md L a n e D alla s 14, rrexa s (T. S A SecG or to the T EXAS CAVER, 2 8 1 8 South 39th s t., Abilene, T exas. H i g h t nON!! --------------------------------------TID:; NEED S Y O U R I N G p lease c o n ta.ct us for i nforms.t i o n T here is a c:-H.r g e of only 50 per colulUn inch f o r a n y t y pe ad. LESS N AIL ? Five per cent of seem s all t oo much t o p"y or taj.ling one ounce of firs t class m a t e rial. Perhaps it is, and yet p e rh.."l.ps it i s n o t All according to from 1,here you l oo k a t j t---civil serv ice elhplojee v i ei-;po i nt---o r from s ervan t civilians! At any r ate (po s t a l rate that is) 1 8 arc still sendin g ou r the C A VER, but for 2 5 percent more cost. ( Haybe, it has n o t be e n che c ced yet ; A t vl'lri o u s times \1e (Th e CAVSR) ask readers t o sen d in something, or to \';ri te u s about s omething o r send in an article photo, or tna l 1--to keep the old p u b on t 1e G O i th .?t leas t s o mdhing in e ach iss u e to b e o f interes t to m o s t all N o,,', will the mai l w e've been re ceiving still C OHle in? lill there be less lUa:i.l in o u r mailbox since t h e po s t a l incre!-ls e n ? ,ie h o pe not. 'vIe rill prol) [lb l y have skimpier C A VERS-t : le one c ent incren s e in pos t a g e is t h e S rlJl18 : .;'; "1;118 cost o f printin g t w o full i, a g e s of a n issue! Keej l the mail co in; in, especially the s u b s c riptio l S Hrf"-J C A Clememts of P a sadena, TeX!lS Viri t e s t h:o.t it 1 1 0tlld be a c;oo d idea to s e e ,n, po s t E'se s ou t (a 5-center ) COl,le; ioret tine: at t e n t .. o n t o or -'ih:l t ll q v e you, t'r; e Nat ional Spe leoSoci e t y Think its :3. G oo e l idea? do. I f you d o ].;r te your ide a s and any cOIlc.rrd.1l3 such and !'ln y COJ ,lments to ei t11e1' the CAV6H. o r to V I' s Cle ment s 5041 Spence r Hi g h my Golden Acres B ranc!1, Pasadena, T e xas. Maybe you' r e a n artist and c a n de sivrl a s t wr'lj. Or maybe y ou knOl-r h o'(1 to get this t h i ll:; thr'OUc:>}l. If you would like t o see this d o r i e l e t u s hear from you. DW'T Tlle; Hational Speleologica l S o c i e t y s allnual con v ention 1-:r L a1.-e V a JWle 9 -1 5 1 963 Y ou be t h ere. You'll w iGS L,r e ... t if you don't!

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6 January Vol VITI N o 1 T _IE TEXAS CAVER 1\ [ W s -I 'SUI"ROSS C O LLEGE T h e Sul Ross S pel-A BILC:l,j::: Gr{CYl"EO, i J SS A regul a r bTotto meetint: W"i& s held at the h o m e of G ooree G ray, .arsB.lis a t 7:30 pm Tu.:.,,::, l r>.y, January 8th. At the meeting f u t u r e c a v e tri p s 'fT ere dis cussed, ',xl : l a n s ; a de for rO:pf lork tra in;i:n g Gr o t t o melJb e r s are urged to bring in :lues a t tile next raeetine for the 1 ,1Onth of J anuary, if y ou h'1ve not already done s o A s pecia l trip m s made to San County on t:1 8 12th to check ()1J t flo v e r'-i,l c a ves. Only hro persons did t: 1 C i diotic t hing a n d made the trip Th e y '..rere J i m l..:8tes and T o m Ileador. Needless to 8ay it ''''1 S a v e r y c old Hinte r d"l.Y >,!h e n t he b o i(liot s bra ved t h e e l ements and in 0 n e \Thol e d!.lY did n o thille 1Il0 r e than check out one smnll c ave--a n d got the brunt of t he 7-degree cold Sleeping out, n o less G eoree and Jacque Gray and hlO pll.b l i c 8c',001 t eacher s (femnle) went to s cnrl V1C d n,Y R t C a v e rns of Sonora to d o 2.01'le [InrI looking around A tri p h, being p l<:l.lmed to g o to io r ri.::-lon C,'t v e i n C rocl<::et Cou nty a n d begin L1 of the: c a v e 'Ehe grotto Uiont hly trip .I s ah:nys on t he third I'Teekend o f each mo. p lan to 1cee.o t his a n open d a t e.The n e x t trip \rill be o n 'ebruary 16th! Grotto address is: 2 0 18 ;.)ou t h 39 t h St. ALA>10 GRarTO ; A o f the G rott o l'lill b e hel d !<' r i d ay, Januar y 1 8 New offi c .'r:'> f l' t h e c O I .. y 8 l r be e l ected F ive \Vent do m i nto 'the Old 'exi c o C O lt!1try on D e c e mber 27-3C and 1:1 COLl 1e C ::.b':1 1 1o, La J'le s a de Ch' t 1P. Obispado, Huast cca' Canyon :lil( Gru tas .le C "I'cia. came back by y , t i 110 nei enr ured tile first rR.in see n o n the desert north o f there in ten year! t1rot to rl l r ess: i lrs. Bonnie ) h i te 3 1 0 6 ..J8.e;e bill S a n Antoni o Te x a s e olog ica1 Socie t y elected officers i n October, an, ) they ar2 a s fo110'1'Ts: President -Carl Kunath Vice P r esident -J i m S e cret::l.ry-Tre9.sure r -Elain Everett R e porte r C here Hort o n Th e club has :lp rroxirJat ely t hirty five mp.mbers I'Ti t h a bOl, t hrenty active one s SRSS r.ncl e il.b ou t ele v e n trip s S Ol:le o f th"n;; h'.we bee n to O 'I' .L. Lan g try, Ozon a Ir2.an T e r l incua, lvlar a t h on, Bakersfie l d Gotto n"Jo od a n d 1':arfa fu ture trips a r e 'Plnnned t o 'India n 'Creek C ave, F awcett's Cave, and Fern Cave. At the T e x a s regional meeting in San Ane;elo N o ver:lber 1 0 Grainger Hunt ob t ained sli des of Bus t amante from Bud Frank: of the Unive rsity of T e x a s Grotto to s hOl'l the club. ,I e ,'!Oul d lik e to expres s our g r a t i t ude to h im f o r his gener o s i t y ','ie 1tlou l d also like to 'men tion that Scotty Ivloore formerly of the Ozona Grotto, has b een kin d enou g h to show the club h i s trelIlendous slid e series on fie l d Cave. Early in D ecember a trip rlas made to Cottomwod Cave 'fhere .. .rere a fe1' T hectic moments a s H e tried t o find the proper goat trilil to get to Dark-Lookout, but 08.11 turned out \ rell eventu3.11y, and we were a happy group of c a v a r s a s rTe got o:J.r first vie w o f this iwpressiv 8 cavern. Club acl.c.ress: t.:arl Kunath Box 308 SuI l{osf'l State College Alpine, Te x a s DALLAS-FORT ,JOH T H GHO' fTO Our Grotto treasurer is h al) f 'y to an nOlL.'1c e t he n e'1 a r ri val of a future c a v er, Jerry }'Oelemall, Jr. vie T-:ill b e look ing f o r him in a f e l years "Then ore nee d SOl!le one t o p ush P'lOSC 1 0 '; crmil s G e orge g!we a n excellent "In troduction to C aving" t a lZ: t o a g roup of Dillla s boy scout s anrl, finished up Hi t h a !?;r ou p o f CA.V 8 p i c t ures ,hich eve r y o ne en j oyed. C hucl: Jane L'lrsen made a holi d,3, y t rip to AlalY'llla 'Ii.t h a s.9. c k of .t'ress # 50' s in hopes o f li.: -:'hting up the big roo m in .. Uabama s T w n bHng l\.ock Cav e But t hey were sno',;ed ou t and 1':i.ll h a v e to make ano t he r t:ri,p b efor e i:i. l l see ilha t this

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THE TEXAS CAVER January, Vol. VIII, No. 1 certain }101e i n the ground looks like. When someone says "work or project", only n few cavers shm'; up; b u t : lhen SOllleone says "party", looks lik e everyene C8.n find. the tim e to appe ar. The Christ rras Grotto meeting-party saw the largest gathering of cavel's in m any a dey. SOlUe o f the expensive gifts tha t ,,,ere e x ch..anged were: a n tmidentified cnn of ??, a c melle used flashlight batteries, and a pair of very used gloves! Gordon Peadon received the boot sole that fell off his boot in Fitton C ave along lTi th a tube of glue. The party was finished up wi th' a :slide Sh01. on Fitton Cave which was .enjoyed by everyone. Grotto address: Pete Lindsley, 4612 vlatauga Road Dallas 9, Texas I SOUTHWESTERN Mid-semester exams and bad weather etc. h ave tended to put the quietus on SSS caving this month. True, it's only bad 'reathe r on top of the ground, but anyway spirits were dam pened. After such a sorry pun you may not feel like readine any further, but for those that do, ;'1e did mana g e to have one group out t his month, going a go .in tp Cobb Cavern8. The Harx brothers have recently o pe ned a crmlhlay underneath and to the side of their stone stairs at the COillll l-Jrci 3 1 en trance. ThifJ cral'llI-ray (approxi mately 50 feet of very tight and uncomfortable stoIllA.ch-only passage) leads to the '!!est passage of the cave, formerly inaccessible because of the stairs. Some of our'group explored this end of the c a ve "rhile others, who had not been to Cobb before Sal,. the commercial portions 1 lrJ d the rest of the east end. Tho s e \-,ho sa;-; the wes tend \-lere very much surprized flith I'lhat they saw. The -Test end, thouc;h som eHha t sn. aller, is in many more be&utiful tha n the east. There is more color to be seen in the west end and wany extremely beautiful snow-white formations of a highly crystalline structure Hhich sparkled u .nd reflected any light sho" m on them 'lie also the new entrance t h a t 1 1 e opened on the first trip It is no c ; possibl e to enter the rear portions o the east passage without to g o throug h the tig h t belly crawl which for mArly m nde i t b 1 e for hefty c a v ers to enter t h i s pa r t of the c ave. We r e commend seein6 Cobb Caverns! Over the Thanksgiving holidays, a couple of our members descended into a S a n Antonio c a v e hONever, the main object ,.ras not s pelcology, but to recover a los t which had accidently been drop ped off a t1'lenty-foot ledge. They found it ann the r emains of a larGe hunting mife, too. Club il:ddress: Judy Lov e Secretary South.,estern Speleologic!11 Society Box 95, S.U. Sta t i on Georg etOlffi, Tex a s UNIVERSITY 01:<' T EXAS The Chris tmas holidays saw a lot of caving done by UTGers. Al thoug h many .. rent home for the holidays others made trips to Mexico and still others returned early to get som e c aving in before school reswned T. R. Evans, Terry Raines, and Terry Plemon s returned to E l Sotano de Huitzmoloti tla to begin map ping one of the grea t C 2ves of the North Alnerica n Continent. 'rhey succeeded in map ping just under one mi l e of cave passag e a t the bottom of the hw entrance drop s (total o f about 500 feet) in a trip lasting 2 4 hours. They 1'31so i n ves tie-a ted t his and surrounding areas for other pits l o cating 1 5 and 20 ranging i n depth from 10 0-300 feet plus Bill R ussell, James Reddell, and Dick Smith manEl a trip to t he Del Rioarea. The y con f erred 1'lith g eoloe;ists there at Interl1:lti onal Bound!1ry & I later Commis s ion about the nUlilerous caves in the area of the Al11ist':l d Daw and explored six c a v e s to be plue ges or floo ded b y the reservoir. They also resurv eyed Indian Creek C ave from the entr' ll1ce past the deep 1,rater i n a n attemp t to brinG the map of the cave u p to t h e quaE t y of othe r wap s nO'1l bei{Jg put out by the Texas Speleoloe i c a l Survey }la r sh:'lll Bat Cav e visi ted and surveyed, beine; the firs t trip back to this i n t e restin.,::, bat not t oo l a rc;e, cave in f i v e or six yep-. r s Sharon vloolsey, ',/alldngton, a nd l'iike Collins Moe a trip to Station "C" Cav e III to do furtht-: r 1
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p JanuE..ry. V ol. VIII N o ......... --"-,:--z:::""', k=S:. C A V E R C' ... '..1 .1 O .'.I.';cl:'l t h e '1'8 ::".:::; !j :,el '::olo' : ; iC,'ll ,a,'i. 1 ,1.1, :":;OCET Y I :.', "r-l' ;:(". 8 HtC!, J S cont. ) tri..; ..I.'i.ui.sll map T 0 : '1'1 ) 1'1': l "'1.I:e8 : ;1 ( 1 l'OlfUn y Phillip<. 1 ;111 1.. : I. V 31'. c o l d fl'i,::; i ,.. l' ly' VISIT C A V E It S o Ii' SOrlOH,A "';lorld's I :ost B eautifn l Adu lts 50 S t u/ l en b -75 O pe n all year A s you can see by t l-:i s issue, the needs Illor:3 n.rticles, cartoons, and v:e dislike to p u t out non-worth "hile iSflues, anrl it !uu s t b e illlderstood t h a t the l e n gth of 8.p: :e::tr s i n t h e p8)C r i s u p t o you. Let's h ave t ose c,".ve explo:cflt; .on refi orts descriptions of c wes Y OLi vis:l t or SOI!:e project that you } n v e been calTyine on. It Jllay be inte r o to som e o f t h e readers, and you wi II h ,we conti"ib uted s orn6tr'iing to the orIel. of Sl)eleoloG Y Tl-L..;HE IS OtlE HAY T O C AVE -


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Contents: Return to
Fitton Cave, Arkansas / Pete Lindsley --
About rattlesnakes / H.E. Adams --
Annual membership list please note --
Less mail? --
A speleological postage stamp? --
News of the Grottoes.