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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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Robert A. Holt PO Box 625, Cobleskill, NY 12043 E xecutive Director Phone: 518 231 5420 E mail: July 2017 National Cave & Karst Day Diamond Caverns Facebook post June 6, 2017 was our first National Cave and Karst Day. First off I want to thank Steve Beckley of Glenwood Caverns, Colorado for offering to the NCA Mandy Gauldin of Peak Communications who did an outstanding job in writing a press release that got the attention o f the media around the nation. Secondly, y ou, our members, were very instrumental as well in passing the news release on to your local media outlets. Thank you! I have heard from several of you and I was excited to hear how you promoted your cave and the entire show cave industry! Spook Cave Paula Rasmussen Our local paper did a very nice art icle about caves and our cave. Very educational and free advertis ing. The promotion was great! OFFICERS President : Patty Perlaky Cave Without A Name, TX Ph: 830 537 4212 Vice P resident : John Graves Luray Caverns, VA Ph: 540 743 6551 john.graves@luraycaverns. com Secretary Treasurer : Bob Holt Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 518 231 5420 Past President : Steve Rawlings Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 209 728 2101 stever@merc REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) Rob Arey Polar Caves Park NH Ph: 603 536 1888 Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) Eric Helton Diamond Caverns, KY Ph: 270 749 2233 Region Three : (IL, IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN Ph: 812 732 4382 Region Four : (AR, IA, KS, MO, NE) Dennis Boyer War Eagle Cavern, AR Ph: 479 789 2909 Region Five : (MN, MT, ND, SD, WI) Tom Hagen Rushmore Cave, SD Ph: 60 5 255 4467 Region Six : (CA, ID, NV, OR, WA, AK HI, Barbados, Bermuda) Matt Doyle Lake Shasta Caverns, CA Ph: 800 795 CAVE Region Seven : (AZ, CO, NM, UT, WY) Steve Beckley Glenwood Caverns, CO steve@glenwoodcaverns .com Ph: 970 945 4CAV Region Eight : (LA, OK, TX) Ed Mayfield Caverns of Sonora, TX Ph: 325 387 3105 Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, MS, NC, SC, TN ) Lisa McClung Lost Sea, TN m Ph: 423 337 6616 D IRECTOR AT LARGE Denise Bell Seneca Caverns, OH Ph: 419 483 6711 D IRECTOR EMERITUS Steve Runkle Cave of the Winds, CO Ph: 719 685 5444


Ruby Falls Lara Caughman e planned and presented several special activities to commemorate the day. We introduced a new mascot, Sammy the Salamander, who interacted with guests as they exited our cave from 10:00 AM 6:00 PM. It was fun to watch our guests reaction to Sammy. It years old or 70 years old, they with Sammy. Introducing Sammy gave us the opportunity to tal k about animal life in different types of caves. of Sammy and a family of guests. We located Sammy next to our National Day of Caves and Karst table, which was a great way to direct attention to our other celebratory elements. We c reated and distributed a National Day of Caves a nd Karst informative pamphlet. Visitors were free to take a pamphlet if they were interested. We placed over 200 pamphlets in a period of only a few hours. Activities for kids (and kids of all ages) include d a National Day of Caves and Karst take home coloring page that was part of a contest. Guests entered into a coloring contest by posting the colored sheet on social media with #rubyfalls. (Here is a link to a Facebook post about the contest heater ) The winner of the contest will be awarded a family pass to Ruby Falls and a caver helmet. winner on 6/27/2017. The first 250 kids of the day were also given a salamander key chain. Leading up to the day, we used the information from your press release to post on social media one reason a day to visit a cave (see 4712/10155164049844713/?type=3&t heater ) Being a part of a nationally celebrated day gave us the opportunity to engage our social media followers in a new way. Talking Rocks Cavern Jody Gertson W e brought awareness to National Day of Caves & Karst v ia Facebook. Three days before the event, our Facebook post announced that "The National Day of Caves & Karst is Coming June 6th!", and listed the 5 Reasons To Visit A Cave This Summer" along with two hashtags: # caves # VisitaCave This initial post was not boosted, yet was very successful. This initial post rec eived 23 likes, 2 shares and reached 797 people! On June 6, our Facebook post celebrated "TODAY is National Day of Caves & Karst!". This post was boosted for only $10 and was our most successful Facebook post to date! The post received 117 likes, 19 shar es, and 4,203 people were reached!!! Here's an overview of the post: Created a photo carousel of 5 different caves, including Talking Rocks Cavern, a cave in northern Arkansas and 4 caves in southwest Missouri, emphasizing every show cave has unique fea tures. Included links for where to find information about additional Missouri and Arkansas show caves Included link to NCA article about National Day of Caves & Karst Used hashtags that I'd seen in other cave related posts: # CaveDay # VisitaCave The post prompted people to leave comments such as: "Ooooo o wow... That's awesome", "Have visited all of these with Casey Brennan except Smallin Civil War Cave. They are awesome and well worth the trip!", as well as an inquiry, "Where is this located?". What I've gleaned from these results is that promoting "caves", not just Talking Rocks Cavern, created more interest, reached more people, and brought us in front of a fresh audience of people. I'm looking forward to creating m ore posts of this nature periodically. Sammy the Salamander at Ruby Falls on Cave and Karst Day


Natural Bridge Caverns Travis Wuest told me they wrote up a press release and delivered gift bags with kids toy caving helmets, t shirts and caps to local media stations. They got some good coverage and some of the news anchorman even wore the caving helmets on air. You can view a couple different segments here on KSAT Good Good Morning San Antonio and another one on K AOI News 4 Today at 4:30a Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park also had some great tv coverage according to Mandy Gauldin as 9 News KUSA fil med a segment at the cave. Owner Steve Beckley talked about June 6 saying commercial caves in the United States are celebrating National Cave and Karst He explained a unique experience going underground and seeing all the amazi ng Just below the theme park is a hidden world and Beckley says it is every bit as exciting as it is enchanting. Denver Channel 7 (ABC) reported a story Colorado Caves featuring both Cave of the Winds and Glenwood Caverns as to p Colorado caves to explore. Cave Without A Name Patty Perlaky reported they promoted the National Park Service Jr. Cave Scientist Program and encouraged both children and adults to earn the Junior Cave Scientist Patch. Crystal Cave, WI Posted this ad on Fa T oday has been declared National Day of Caves and Karst! It's a way to increase awareness of the roles both play in our lives and the environment. Of course, we think our cool cave is pretty special, but collectively they make landscapes diverse, fascinating and rich in resources, provide unique subsurface habitat for rare animals, and preserve fragile archaeological and paleontological materials for millennia. We think that deserves a like! Squire Boone Caverns Claudia Yundt remarked We pushed t he article you guys (NCA) had written and made a big deal of it here at the park but our PR lady is saying next year we are going to push this even harder. Lake Shasta Caverns Happy National Cave and Karst Day! they posted on Facebook: Caverns are a treasure trove of education, exploration and scientific research. With other members of the National Caves As s ociation and International Show Caves Association Lake Shasta Caverns works with caves around the world to implement the best policies of cave stewardshi p and conservation to protect Lake Shasta Caverns but also to allow for learning more about caves and the information they have to offer. We have worked with UC Davis and currently working with Vanderbilt University to discover more about climate change through radio isotope dating and concentrations of oxygen and carbon dioxide within the precipitation of water inside and outside the cavern. Matt Renoux of KUSA 9 News Denver sets up his camera inside Glenwood Caverns As part of a contest for national Cave & Karst Day, Steve & Jeanne Beckley led a group on a private cave tour


Last winter we worked with Nati onal Geographic and a promising STEM student who is developing 3D scan software to properly inventory and map caverns. Just a couple of weeks ago I had the unique opportunity through a Redding Rotary exchange program to give a tour to several Russian Nati onal Park personnel. They had been interested in how we manage a National Natural Landmark and balance between conservation and stewardship while running a show cave that has 60,000 annual visitors. We have worked with Bat Conservation International with the study and education of bats and the impact of White Nose Syndrome. Even locally we work with the United States Forest Service from cage raising fish to the Golinsky Mine water restoration project. As a show cave, Lake Shasta Caverns has the opportuni ty to impart our knowledge to those who visit us during their vacation and the thousands of students who visit us on their field trips. Come support your local cave today and throughout the year! Cumberland Caverns had this nice Facebook post advertising free T shirts for the first 2 people to arrive for each tour and for the first 5 kids of the day received a caveman plush figure. At the end of the day a drawing for a FREE Bluegrass Underground Gift Certificate was given away! #Caving #NationalDayOfCaves Inner Space Cavern W e also posted it to our Facebook and we gave everyone that day $3.00 off adm ission to either the Adventure T our and our Hidden Passages. Everyone was happy to hear it when they came in. I believe it helped with up selling from Adventure to Hidden Passages and made people happy so that translated to a bigger day for Gift shop sales. Ohio Caverns According to Eric Evans they gave away 1 free piece of amethyst to each person with the purchase of a tour ticket. The staff hoped results in more people wanting to explore the caverns beneath Champaign and Logan counties. The goal is to get people out and see what is in their back yard Caverns of Sonora posted on Facebook: National Caves and Karst D ay! Show us your cave pictures! #nationalcavesday National Caves Associat ion Caves are a vital part of our world s ecosystem providing amazing scientific research for aquifers, history of climate and even medicine. There's beauty beneath your boots Several people posted their favorite cave photo following the Caverns of So nora post. War Eagle Cavern Finally I would like to end with the cave that appears to have had the most success on Cave & National Cave Day was a huge success. We offered 1/2 price tickets, sent out ads on Facebook and sent the NCA press release to all the local media outlets. Our Facebook ad reached almost 10,000 people and one of our local news stations did a short segment about Cave Day. As far a visitors, on a normal weekday this time of the year we will have about 40 60 visitors. June 6 we had over 200 people visit War Eagle Cavern. With that kind of increase we certainly hope that we will continue Cave Day for the foreseeable future. Start your planning NOW for National Cave & Karst Day June 6, 2018! Bob Holt


Creativ e placards get word out about Secret Caverns: Billboards make Schoharie County NY spot famous "When I was younger I would always see these signs and I thought they were awesome. The day I saw someone paint them, I thought, wow, that's how they do it," says Eugene Falco, manager and art director for Secret Caverns in Howes Cave, Schoharie County. The elusive artists who created the hand painted billboard advertisements for Secret Caverns, which the book "Weird New York" lists as "infamously obnoxious," have created public art that is nearly as much of a tourist draw as the cave itself. Noted for the 100 foot underground waterfall at the end of the quarter mile cave, Secret Caverns was ''discovered'' in July 1928 by two cows that had fallen into a sinkhol e leading to the cave. Those cows are known today as the "first reluctant explorers of Secret Caverns" says Falco. Bits of that history are on display on the billboards and artwork within the welcome lodge; itself turned into a giant mural featuring a ba t with arch top windows for eyes that glow red at night. The cave and surrounding acreage was bought in 1928 from the Stanton Farm (owner of the adventurous Holsteins) by Schoharie County native Roger Mallery, a civil engineer who was working at Howe Caver ns at the time and dreamed of owning his own commercial cave. He hired two local teens from Cobleskill to explore the cave, tying rope around them and giving them flashlights to determine if the cave was suitable for tourists. Soon after, Secret Caverns wa s established. It is now owned by Roger's grandson, R.J. Mallery. Very little advertising was ever done for Secret Caverns until Legrande Spaulding was hired to paint realistic images of the cave (at a time when a photographer could not capture the grand eur of the cave's natural beauty) and black, blue and white plywood billboard to point visitors in the right direction. Early signs were minimalist in their approach, sometimes incorporating a waterfall or a caveman. Spaulding died in the 1980s, and a 198 6 tornado claimed some of his original billboards. Those that were not thrashed into splinters were patched back together by Kurt Pillar, who "started having fun from 1986 on," says Falco. Pillar turned the billboards into the colorful roadside icons tha t are scattered across Schoharie County. A sunglasses wearing caveman became the Secret Caverns mascot, using witticisms and plays on words like, "naturally cool (50)," "4 out of 5 dentists prefer our cavity" and "you'll dig it," to put Secret Caverns at the forefront of local attractions. From 1961 to 1971, Secret Caverns was listed as a fallout shelter for area residents. Pillar crafted a mural for the welcome lodge with the caveman in a gas mask to mark this part of the cave's history, although the spe lling is a bit colloquial. The e ntrance l odge to Secret Caverns Take NY Routes 145 to Route 7, travel 14 more miles to Secret Caverns


Falco says that Pillar's graphic work is inspired and in keeping with the change in comic books and illustration during the late 1980s and into the 1990s. Blending, shading and bold contrast were prevailing techniques of the tim e, which translated into the lettering and imagery on the billboards, too. Todd DelMarter took over from Pillar, and his work is noticeably less ornate than previous billboards. Color blocking (instead of blending) and simple graphics mark DelMarter's wor k. Falco took over as art director in 2012, beginning with making repairs to older signs, which numbered in the dozens. On average, he says, the billboards are about 10 feet by 50 feet, but range from much larger (like that at the Route 20 and Route 145 i ntersection, in Sharon) to as small as 3 feet square. All of the artists have been given carte blanche to craft signs to their own discretion, though Mallery requires that each sign have a caveman and a waterfall, says Falco. Some signs pay homage to the two Holstein cows. Plywood is cut out and layered for a 3 D effect in the shape of the cows with verbiage like, "Stray from the herd," "Save moo la" and "Got cave?" Spoofs of popular cultural entities were included, as well. Everything from Folger's Coffe e to the Atkin's diet plan and NASCAR are worked into signs, helping to date when they were created. Music was a common theme, too. References to Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin ("Stairway to the darkside o' the earth") Glen Campbell, ("Like a limeston e cowboy" is painted above the caveman, with guitar and 10 gallon hat) and Johnny Cash are all found. "I hate puns," says Falco, "but I'll talk to R.J., and we will do a play on a sign that already exists." Falco's signature is the jackalope, a rabbit fi gure with deer antlers, which he works into signs that he creates. Falco is blue green color blind, and embraces the same coloring techniques as Pillar to create a vivid palette with latex paint that he blends and mixes himself. Not only does that allow hi m to create new color schemes, but also match the original tints on restoration projects. Falco still works with plywood, but also paints on homasote boards (an early version of drywall) that he shellacs to protect against the weather. Still, even with se veral coats of sealants and protective glazing, the signs will last for about five years before they need repair. "It's job security for me," jokes Falco. The large sign in Sharon is, "held together by magic," he says, curious himself about how the sign has withstood so much damage. Falco calls hand painted signs, like those for Secret Caverns, "an endangered species," different from digitized vinyl wrapped billboards that are strictly advertising. Officials in Cobleskill wanted the signs removed and tr ied to levy rules against Secret Caverns using code enforcement loopholes, but after lengthy review, it was determined that the signs (all placed on property either owned or rented by Mallery) are folk art and cannot be censored under First Amendment right s. "Some people have no appreciation for art or comedy," says Falco. The signs enliven fallow roadside farmland and make use of rhomboid patches of gravel and give Schoharie County its noted quirk and kitsch. Falco says he would be open to taking interns and art students interested in keeping folk art like these signs alive, jokingly if only because, "'I'd be totally open to have someone sweat on the side of the road with me all day. "These aren't just advertising. These are art," says Falco. Deanna Fox Albany Times Union Kart track owned by the Mallery family advertising their cave only 2 miles ahead.


Matriarch of Cave of the Winds, Betty Lou Carey passes This is the story of Betty Lou Greiner Carey. Betty Lou was an original. She was loved, on Hurley Road in Houston, TX born to Otto and Eunice Greiner. She was the oldest of five siblings and was always the big sister. As a young woman, Betty moved to Colorado where she took job at the YMCA in Estes Park, CO. It was during this time that Betty w background their courtship began. Their romance led to a fulfilled and exciting 40 year marriage. They were blessed with two sons, Grant and Brad. nd mother. She also enjoyed her volunteer work with various clubs and organizations. Betty took great pride in her work with the gifts of hospitality and leadership were di splayed in her many years of active participation with Welcome to Colorado International Club, where she served as past President. Together with her beloved husband Lou, they built Carey Construction which opened the door for her to become an active member and past President of the The Winds in Manitou Springs, CO. To this day, the family continues to operate and develop The Cave of The Winds into Betty and Lou loved to en tertain in a unique fashion that made their guests look forward to their next party. They enjoyed many family vacations in her beloved Hawaii. They started visiting the islands way back when the only way to get there was by ship. story ended as she peacefully passed away in Colorado Springs, CO. She went to be with her Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and to be reunited with her beloved husband Lou. She will be missed by her children; Grant Carey and wife Annette of Colorado Springs, CO and Brad Carey and wife Kanda of Grand Rapids, MI. Her precious grandchildren Shelley, Daniel, Elizabeth, and Daniel Louis. Along with four great grandchildren Seth, Bianca, Triston, and Blake. Siblings Gene Ward and husband Jack of Houston, TX. She was also a treasured aunt to many generations of nieces and nephews around the country. Visitation took place on Wednesday, June 14, 2017 from 6:00 8:00PM at Fairmount Cemetery at the Flex Chapel in Denver, CO. Funeral services were held on Thursday, June 1 5, 2017 at 10:30AM at Ivy Chapel also at Fairmount Cemetery in Denver, CO. Betty would be the first to tell you that she had a wonderful life with no regrets. While Betty would love flowers, a donatio n y Association would be preferred by the family. Cumberland Caverns makes Travel Channel list blowing campsites in Mother Nature's best spot Saturday, July 1 at 1 p.m. Eastern / 12 p.m. Central & Thursday, July 6 at 12 p.m. Eastern / 11 a.m. Centra l Set your DVR and tune in for an up close view of the extraordinary underground camping experience here at Cumberland Caverns. Also, check out the other Epic Campsites they visited. Are you ready to explore? Stop waiting for the time and start making the time for new adventures. Book an exciting caving experience today!


Mark Twain Cave convention 2017 host You are invited to attend the 52 nd annual convention of the NCA to be held September 18 21 in Hannibal, Missouri. The Annual Business Meeting of the Association will be held on September 21, 2017 at 4:00 PM CDT at the Quality Inn & Suites, 120 Lindsey Drive Hwy 36, Hannibal, Missouri 63401. Business will include the election of Officers and Directors. We look forward to seeing you! Register Today! Click Her e To Register Convention hotel accepting reservations! Headquarters for the 2017 convention will be at the Quality Inn & Suites right in Hannibal. The cave is minutes away. The best way to be sure you get a room is to call the hotel directly. The num ber is 573 221 4001. The arrival date is Monday, September 18 (unless you are a board or committee member), departing Friday, September 22. The NCA has the entire hotel for our use! Quality Inn Choice Hotels Hannibal, MO Marengo Cave has sold and a US National Landmark, is pleased to announce a new owner only the fourth since the travel destinati on was discovered in 1883. Steve Calhoun, resident of English, Indiana, and a long time employee of Marengo Cave, says he plans to continue stewardship of the cave. Calhoun stresses. Gordon Smith who owned the cave the previous 44 years, described his tenure as one of guarded ownership of the attraction, preserving its integrity, while making improvements and additions to the grounds. Calhoun intends to continue that legacy. As a tenured employe e of Marengo Cave, Calhoun served most recently as Manager of the Cave, as well as operations at Cave Country Canoes in Milltown, Indiana, and Tourist Information Service, a brochure and distribution business encompassing Indiana and Kentucky, also previou sly owned by Smith. Serving in many positions at Marengo Cave has given Calhoun a unique perspective few achieve in any enterprise. His vision for the future includes enhancing the facilities and engaging the local communities to visit, participate and app reciate the cave during events such as, celebrating the September 6, 1883 discovery of Marengo Cave and Caroling in the Cave, which takes place on December 10th. Calhoun and his wife, Mary Jo, who is a regis tered nurse at Memorial Hospital and Health Care Center in Jasper, invite you to visit Marengo Cave, open year round, in beautiful Southern Indiana, just off I 64 between Corydon and Jasper. For more information see or call 812 365 2705 Steve & Mar y Jo Calhoun seated with their pups outside the cave main entrance. This photo was used for the cover of a recent issue of Southern Indiana Living Magazine on a story about the Calhouns.


NCA Insurance Column: Beat the heat w ith these timely AC maintenance t ips You know doubt enjoy the comfort of natural air conditioning in your cave and may use it to cool some of your above ground space. But, many cave operations have air con ditioning units that could give rise to failure in the hot summer months ahead. To avoid this from happening, we thought this article from Munich Re American and Hartford Steam Boiler would assist you in keeping things cool this summer. The better data you action able checklist to help you maintain your air conditioning system: Annual Maintenance Check open or hermetic motors for burn out Check air ventilation openings on open type motors for obstruction. Check bearings on open type motors for adequate and proper lubrication. Have insulation resistance meter readings taken on motor windings. Inspect motor controls Check all terminal connections for tightness. Check the overload protection for defects and proper sizing. Make sure timing devices have the correct operating sequence. Check mechanical linkage for binding and looseness. Check the thermostatic expansion valve Check it for proper superheat setting over its full range of operation. Check the operating and safety controls Immerse thermal sensing controls in a cold medium to verify the condition and setting of their sensing elements. Test oil pressure differential switches me chanically and electrically. Clean the condensers/ cooling towers Clean air cooled condensers, but only with a solution marketed for this specific use. Remove the heads on shell and tube condensers and clean the tubes of scale and debris. Clean the coils, sump, spray nozzles and overflow drain on evaporative condensers. For cooling towers, clean the sump and spray nozzles and check the baffles for tightness and soundness. Monthly Maintenance C heck the fans Check fans for broken, cracked, bent or loose blades and hubs. Check the fan shaft and bearings. Check belt tension and condition. Check the pumps Check the condition of pump bearings, packings, shaft couplings and seals.


At least eight hours before start up, hermetic compressors need to have their crank case heater energized. Have the cylinder heads removed and check the compressor valves at least once every two years, or every 10,000 hours. Avoid Lubri cation Failure Every year, have your service technician check the oil then leak test the system and repair any point of leakage immediately. Check these likely leak spots every week: Compressor shaft seals Piping joints Coils Vessels Compressors Motors Av oid Refrigerant Circuit Failure Equip your refrigerant circuit (liquid line) with a moisture sight glass indicator. Look for any change in the indicator chemical color Regularly Check Temperature and Pressure Controls Periodically have them serviced, adjus ted and proof tested only by qualified personnel. To avoid pressure problems: try to determine normal discharge and suction pressures. As with temperature changes, any increase in pressure is reason enough to call the service technician at once. Keep Air Filters Clean Keep air filters free of dust particles, smoke and dirt. Keep a careful log of cleaning dates to maintain an effective cleaning schedule. Any change in normal operating characteristics is a warning. Call the service technician if you notic e unusual noise or vibration A strange odor Oil or water spots Sudden changes in temperature, speed or pressure. All the best in staying cool and comfortable this summer. WNS Report For the first time, a southeastern bat (Myotis austriparius) has been fou nd with WNS. It was found in Shelby County, Alabama. The numbers of tricolored and Indiana bats in Alabama have substantially declined. The Lake Vermilion Soudan Underground Mine State Park in Minnesota, home of the state's largest bat colony, saw a dec line of 70% in numbers this year. Populations continue to decline in western North Carolina. In Pontiac, Michigan, The Organization for Bat Conservation is moving its sanctuary downtown to study the urban bat population. They will hold educational tours and community events. They will also house several kinds of bats at the facility. They want to get inner city children in touch with nature while studying why urban bats are more resilient to WNS. Patty Perlaky WNS Chair


Lincoln Caverns celebrates dis covery days June 24 & 25 Discovery Days were celebrated at Lincoln Caverns. It is good to into the cave! Three generations of Dunlavys pose outside the original entrance to the cave. Along with Marion Dunlavy, is son Bruce, daughter Ann and grandson Riley. You are looking great Marion Calendar of Events The 17 th International Congress of Speleology (UIS), Sydney, Australia, July 23 29, 2017 NCA Convention 2017, Host : Mark Twain Cav e, Hannibal, Missouri, September 18 21, 2017 Geology Gem, Fossil and Mineral Show. Cave House Museum of Mining & Geology, Cobleskill, New York, September 30 & October 1, 2017 National Cave and Karst Management Symposium Eureka Springs, A rkansas, October 16 20, 2017 International Gift Exposition in the Smokies 2017 Sevie rville, Pigeon Forge & Gatlinburg, Tennessee, October 31 November 4, 2017 IAAPA 2017, Orlando, Florida, November 14 17, 2017 Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 201 8 Tucson, Arizona, January 27 February 1 1 201 8 NCA Mid Winter Board of Directors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St. Louis, Missouri, February 2 6 28 201 8 The Sinkhole Conference, Shepherdstown, West Virginia, April 2 6, 2018 NSS Convention 201 8, Whitefis h, Montana, July 29 August 4, 2018 NCA Convention 2018, Host: Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park, Glenwood Springs, Colorado, September 24 28, 2018 ISCA 8 th Congress 2018, Genga, Italy, October (Dates TBD) International Gift Exposition in the Smokies 201 8 Gatlinburg, Tennessee, (Dates TBD) IAAPA 201 8 Orlando, Florida, November 11 16, 2018 NCA Convention 2019, Host: Ruby Falls, Chattanooga Tennessee, (Dates TBD) Got News? Please make sure you let Bob Holt know when you have news to share with the m embership regarding you and your cave. It is the goal of the NCA office to continue producing monthly issues of Cave Talk and this can only happen when you help with the sharing of your news. Please send your articles, photographs to August 2017 Cave Talk Deadline Please have all articles to Bob Holt no later than July 15. Thank you


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