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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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Robert A. Holt PO Box 625, Cobleskill, NY 12043 E xecutive Director Phone: 518 231 5420 E mail: February 201 7 Day Many of you have wedding ceremonies in your cave and of course we know Bridal Cave is probably the best known for doing the most weddings, and besides, they do a top notch job at it. while working at a relationships were born and then turned into marriages. Back in the 196 y cousin Peter, a tour guide, found his bride Elaine who worked in the gift shop at Howe eir in this issue a love story than began at Howe Caverns and has blossomed into a recent marriage. I was honored to attend the wedding of Guy and Emily. Guy is currently the general manager at War Eagle Cavern. Be sure to check read story .. Mi d Y our Board of Directors will be gathering in St. Louis at the end of the month for our Mid Winter Meeting. Your regional director will be reaching out to you to see how you are doing and if you have anything new to report to us or if you h ave any concerns that the board might assist you with. We will have a recap of the meeting in our March issue of Cave Talk. 2017 M Have been mailed and you should already have received them and they are proudly hanging at your cave. Mark Your C The 52 nd Annual Convention will be held September 18 21, 2017 in Hannibal, Missouri. Mark Twain Cave will be our host and Linda Coleberd and her team promises us a memorable event. Kindest Regards, Bob Holt OFFICERS President : Patty Perlaky Cave Without A Name, TX Ph: 830 537 4212 Vice President : John Graves Luray Caverns, VA Ph: 540 743 6551 john.graves@luraycaverns. com Secretary Treasurer : Bob Holt Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 518 231 5420 Past President : Steve Rawlings Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 209 728 2101 REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) Rob Arey Polar Caves Park, NH Ph: 603 536 1888 Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) Eric Helton Diamond Caverns, KY Ph: 270 749 2233 Region Three : (IL, IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN Ph: 812 732 4382 Region Four : (AR, IA, KS, MO, NE) Dennis Boyer War Eagle Cavern, AR Ph: 479 789 2909 Region Five : (MN, MT, ND, SD, WI) Tom Hagen Rushmore Cave, SD Ph: 605 255 4467 Region Six : (CA, ID, NV, OR, WA, AK, HI, Barbados, Bermuda) Matt Doyle Lake Shasta Caverns, CA Ph: 800 795 CAVE Region Seven : (AZ, CO, NM, UT, WY) Steve Beckley Glenwood Caverns, CO Ph: 970 945 4CAV Region Eight : (LA, OK, TX) Ed Mayfield Caverns of Sonora, TX Ph: 325 387 3105 Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, MS, NC, SC, TN ) Lisa McClung Lost Sea, TN Ph: 423 337 6616 D IRECTOR AT LARGE Denise Bell Seneca Caverns, OH Ph: 419 483 6711 D IRECTOR EMERITUS Steve Runkle Cave of the Winds, CO Ph: 719 685 5444


Million Year Bacteria are way smarter than we give them credit for. No, I'm not talking about "brain smarts." Bacteria don't have neurons. I'm referring to "chemical smarts": the ability to make, break down or gobble up whatever compound they want. Even if they've never been exposed to it before. Scientists have found a superbug hidden 1,000 feet underground in a cave which is resistant to 70 percent of antibiotics and can totally inactivate many of them. But here's the kicker. This bacterium has been isolated from people, society and drug s for 4 million years, scientists report Thursday in the journal Nature Communications That means it hasn't been exposed to human drugs in a clinic or on a farm that uses them. But it has the machinery to knock out these drugs. And that machinery has been around for millions of years. People are like, 'Oh no! It's a superbug!' says Hazel Barton a microbiologist at the University of Akron, who helped find the bacteria. "But I prefer to call it a hero bug." Because, Barton says, the bacterium is help ing scientists understand where antibiotic resistance comes from and, hopefully, new ways to stop it. And the bacterium called Paenibacillus (pronounced "penny bacillus") isn't pathogenic. It won't hurt you. It's just capable of evading many, many anti biotics. Barton and her colleagues found the ancient super/herobug inside Lechuguilla Cave in New Mexico. It's the deepest limestone cave in the southern U.S. more than 1,600 feet at its lowest point. And it's one of the most inhospitable places on Earth. The cave never sees the sun. "It takes about 10,000 years for water from the surface to get into the cave," Barton says. So how on Earth did this underground bacteria become resistance to human antibiotics? Don't bacteria develop resistance after being exposed to the drugs in people and animals? "That's kind of the old model," Barton says. "When we originally went into this cave in 2012, we found that the microbes the re were resistant to every natural antibiotic that we use in hospitals. "It changed our understanding because it means antibiotic resistance didn't evolve in the clinic through our use. The resistance is hardwired," she says. Now there's one big caveat. This "hardwired" resistance is true only for natural antibiotics. About 99.9 percent of all the antibiotics that we use come from microorganisms, from bacteria and fungi," Barton says. "They are constantly lobbing these chemical missiles at each other. A nd so if you're going to live in that environment you have to have a good defense." The goal of all this lobbing is survival: There are very few nutrients in the cave. So the microorganisms are constantly trying to kill each other and take each others' foo d. But some antibiotics are manmade. "The bacteria in the cave have never been exposed to these antibiotics," Barton says. "So they're still sensitive them." Michaeleen Doucleff Public Radio Morning Edition The bacteria were discovered in New Mexico's Lechuguilla Cave a part of Carlsbad Caverns and the second deepest cave in the continental U.S. Courtesy of Max Wisshak


Joy Sorensen new president at DeSoto Caverns Over 100 years ago, Ida Brandon Mathis took special interest in the underground beauty of what today is known as DeSoto Caverns. Ownership of the land continued to pass from generation to generation, but it would be over 60 years before a member of the family, Allen W Mathis III would develop the land into a tourist attraction. Now 40 years later, the family daughter, Joy Sorensen. llow in my great great Seeing her father run the family business as a child, Joy grew up with a love and appreciation for the caverns and the surrounding land. She was involved with the park f rom a young age, doing everything from helping stuff envelopes With her appointment as President of DeSoto Caverns, Joy has the opportunity to continue bringing happiness to the families that visit the caverns. Supported by a trusted team, which includes her husband Jared Sorensen in the role of Chief Vis ionary Officer, and guided by a cohesive vision for the future, Joy has big plans for the cave and surrounding property. In the near future, the DeSoto Caverns team plans on introducing immersive adventure experiences in the cave, along with incredible ent Congratulations Joy! park manager at Kartchner Jake McCoy has been the Park Manager at Kartchner Caverns State Park since July 2016. He has always had a passion for learning and the outdoors was developed while growing up, going on camping trips and other outdoor adventures in the Boy Scouts. His first job in a park was in several different state parks and for the National Park Service, notably at Joshua Tree National Park and Timpanogos Cave National Monument. Jake is an avid hiker, and also e to be at Kartchner Caverns, and looks forward to going to work every day with an amazing staff. We welcome Jake into the NCA family and we look forward to working with him Jake McCoy


Guy Schiavone War Eagle Cavern general manager marries cave sweetheart Emily Ackerman going to tell you is a love story about a young couple who met while working at a cave. met while working at our caves and then tied the knot Perhaps breathing cave air has something to do with it? This story is rather cute because period is carried out no one suspects a thing. Two wonderful, fun loving people were married on January 15, 2017 back home in upstate Schenectady, New York. Guy Schiavone who became general manager of War Eagle Cavern in May 2015 married the love of his life, Emily Ackerman. According to their wedding website, the story of Emily and Guy begins in April 2010 when both of them met while working at Howe Caverns in rural upstate New York Guy th ought Emily wa s sassafras. Emily th ought Guy wa s grumpy. Th eir first working sea time. However, a year or so later in August 2011, Emily decides to go 880 miles away to college and she has no one (Guy) to antagonize. Guy has no one to bully. As the story goes, both were secretly dating as of March 2012 and not even their closest friends and co workers at Howe had any idea. Their mutual friends think the rumors are a joke. Emily's college friends think Guy is imaginary. Both efore I became a tour guide at Howe, I would stop in there with my mom. May 2014, Emily graduates and takes a summer job away from home. She still visits Guy on the weekends, but only drives when the sun is down, lest anyone spot the two of them in public. Then in September 2014, Emily and Guy take a road trip to South Carolina. They convince everyone at Howe Ca verns they need the same week off from work for different reasons. No one suspects a thing. Emily and Guy g ot engaged in March of 2015 Despite meeting him, Emily's college friends were skeptical of Guy's existence. And then on April 1, 2015, Emily and Guy post their engagement on Facebook and e veryone thinks it's a joke. They are the true April Fools. Dennis and Vicki Boyer of War Eagle Cavern offered Guy a position as general manager at their cave in May of 2015. Emily and Guy move d to Arkansas and e veryone replies, "What's in Arkansas?" hen I found out that Guy had found the love of his life (in the crevices of Howe Caverns, no less), I was thrilled for him and for me! Fin ally, another woman in the family! Didn't take long for the two of of a sisterly companion heard the news that Guy and Emily were moving to Arkansas, he said, "Cool. Send me a Razorback mug." So Emily and Guy returned to NY and were married on January 15 in the presence of family friends, including past and present Howe employees It truly was a special day! Congratulations Emily & Guy We wish you many happy years together! Bob Holt Mr. & Mrs. Guy Schiavone Salt lamps were used as table centerpieces for the evening reception held at the Mohawk Country Club Rexford, NY


New director of marketing at Ruby Falls Ruby Falls is pleased to announce the hiring of Beth Robinson as the new director of marketing for the company. She is responsible for providing vision, direction and strategic leadership for all aspects of marketing and corporate communications for Ruby F alls. amount of organizational and creative skills that will help us to communicate and market Chattanooga and southeast Tennessee area will be a huge plus for her here at Robinson comes to Ruby Falls with over eight years of experience in marketi ng strategic planning and implementation, creative development and execution, and public relations. Her background also includes event planning and corporate communications. Most recently, Beth has been active in volunteer positions with area schools in ev ent planning and coordination, fundraising and theater scenic design. Prior to this, she served as director of marketing communications for Collins & Aikman/Tandus Floorcoverings where she planned and managed the implementation of marketing communications and public relations strategies while supporting the marketing needs of the national and international sales force. Robinson is a graduate of Auburn University with a degree in marketing and holds her MBA from the University of Georgia. Sierra Nevada Recreation Corp 3 California caves for sale MOANING CAVERN Vallecito CA Plus neighboring acreage across a canyon suitable for additional zip line and historic Mine Tours (Gold Rush Themed) CALIFORNIA CAVERN Mountain Ranch, CA BLACK CHASM CAVERN Volcano, CA WEB SITE: CONTACTS: Steve Fairchild (209) 743 2990 steve Linda Larsen (209) 601 6483 INFORMATION PACKAGE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST Beth Robinson


Live from inside the mountain Cumberland Caverns Bluegrass Underground Season 7 Bluegrass Underground is a musical adventure series presented by PBS affiliate WCTE that airs across the US on PBS stations. The series shines a light on purveyors of musical authenticity in a space unlike any other on (or under) earth. Bluegrass Underground celebrates the diversity of musical heritage with artists from the full spectrum of Bluegrass, yes but also Americana, Country, Soul, Blue s, Rock N Roll, Gospel, Folk, and everything between. Bluegrass Underground emanates from the Volcano Room, a subterranean amphitheater 333 feet b elow McMinnville, Tennessee at historic Cumberland Caverns. The acoustic properties of the Volcano Room are singular. Friday, March 24 The Mavericks, Chris Robinson Brotherhood, Russell Moore & IIIrd Tyme Out, Conor Oberst. Showtime is 6 p.m. Saturday, March 25 Kasey Chambers, The McCrary Sisters, Drew Holcomb & The Neighbors, Parker Millsap. Showtime is 2 p.m. Sunday, March 26 Marty Stuart & The Fabulous Superlatives, Rhonda Vincent & The Rage, Blues Traveler, Don Bryant & The Bo Keys. Showtime is 2 p.m. *all times listed in CST, all artists & times subject to change. Specific set times TBD. The above listing of concerts will PBS tap ed For the complete list of concerts please check the Cumberland Caverns website Bluegrass Underground page: underground/ WNS Report A virus that infects P. destructans has been found that exhibits regional variations. Researchers believe these differences reflect the movement of the fungus. They hope this will help in tracking the spread of WNS. Scientists do not know if the virus influences the virulence of the fung us. Little brown bats at four hibernation sites in New York are surviving at rates better than in Virginia and Illinois, meaning that little browns may be developing resistance to WNS in areas where they have been exposed to it longer. Northern long eare d bats have now been found in South Carolina's coastal plain region, 200 miles south of their known range. A researcher at Clemson is studying the hypothesis that if a dominant bat species declines in a WNS positive area that less dominant and less abunda nt species would exploit the niche space. They are still analyzing the data. Patty Perlaky WNS Chair


Salt cave therapy used to treat various ailments at Long Island facility down on salt consumption these days. But some claim rock salt, imported from half a world away. Now, a new y oung and old. Ever since Oliver Coppola was born, he suffered from a Coppola, who, along with her husband Peter, opened try bringing Oliver to a salt cave. Since an cient times, salt caves have been credited with curing all sorts of skin, muscle and breathing conditions. helped Oliver and we just wanted to help more So the Coppolas opened up two salt caves one in Montauk and one in Huntington, where they also on a sandy beach, whereas in the adult cave i the Himalayan Mountains in Pakistan. It contains more than 80 minerals antibacterial, anti fungal, anti microbial Salt caves like the one on Long Island have been popping up all ey helping keep my inflammation levels down which has never So medical studies or not, these people know they feel better. If you would like to know more about Montauk Salt Cave, visit: https :// Kristin Thorne WABC 7 New York News Video Report: Salt Cave Video ABC 7 NY


Jewel Cave just adopted its next classroom! Introducing the Class of 2029 Jewel Cave continues to move forward with even more youth engagement. We recently adopted our next group of students ... three kindergarten classes at nearby Custer Elementary School and two classes at Hermosa Elementary School. What a fantastic group of kids in the Custer School District 16 1! Park Ranger Riley Hays (above) presented the first classroom program in Custer and will be going back each month through April. In May, the kids will take a field trip to the cave and learn even more about the reso urce. Believe it or not, we plan to work with this same class through their senior year. We had so much success with the Class of 2016, why not start all over again? Keep following us on Facebook for even more fun and educational images from both schools. Nothing better than Park Ranger Riley Hays (right) getting down to the level of the students Just think, for the next 12 years, these kids will develop a personal relationship with multiple staff at Jewel Cave National Monument We LOVE bringing the cave to the kids! Carlsbad elevators getting new hoist cables Required replacement of steel hoist cables on the elevators will take them out of service at Carlsbad Caverns National Park on February 6 10 and February 13 17. There will be NO Elevator Service during those ten days. The elevators WILL be in service February 11 and 12 and we will resume full service on February 18. All elevator cars at the park have eight cables, each 1/2 inch thick, 40 0 pounds, and 800 feet long. These spools contain 8,000 feet of steel cable! It is already being stored in the cave so that it has time to acclimatize to the co nditions before being installed. NPS photo by Brian Whitehead


Recall Alert: Thousands of salt lamps are shock, fire hazard The popular arts and crafts store, Michaels, has issued a recall for thousands of Himalayan Salt Lamps. According to the recall notice, the lamps' dimmer switch is a shock and fire hazard. The items recalled include the Rock of Gibraltar Lamp, Carn ival of Lights and Basket of Rocks. Hazard: Dimmer switch and/or outlet plug, can cause shock and fire Recalled Product: Lumierz brand Himalayan Salt Rock Lamps NCA Insurance Column: The high cost of frozen pipes Extremely cold weather can cause water pipes to freeze, leading to significant property damage to your operation. There are steps you can take to help prevent freeze ups and detect potential leaks before major damage occurs: Keep buildings at a minimum of 40 Fahrenheit as recommen ded by the National Fire Protection Association Perform daily cold weather inspections of windows, doors, heaters and insulation on water filled pipes Create action plans for when cold waves are predicted in their area While these tips may help prevent fr eeze ups, it's still important to have adequate coverage in case a pipe breaks. The new Lloyds Cave and Natural Attraction program offers property insurance that is specifically designed to include coverage extensions.


NCA Gift Shop Items 52 Different NCA Cave Scenes Place Your Order: Impact Photographics Jim Weeks 800 950 0110 NCA Cave Scenes 15799CAVE UPC 872772 007996 $1.80 Each/144 Pieces Includes NCA Logo on Gussets! Name Drop: Your Logo on Gussets! $1.60 Each/1440 Pieces $1.80 Each/720 Pieces One Color Imprint Price Includes All Set Up Charges Place Your Order: Belvedere 800 905 1549 Do You Have Your Supply On Hand ? A little over 700 brochures fit in a flat rate box for easy shipping. This is a great way to advertise your cave and the entire NCA membership. Let Bob know how many boxes you would like sent. View the digital version at: NCA Brochure 1.pdf


Historical Photograph A couple exchanges vows of matrimony at the Bridal Altar of Mammoth Cave in 1908. Underground weddings occurred here quite frequently, during the early part of the 20th century. Such ceremonies ended in 1941 when the cave became a national park Do You Have A Historical Photo To Share? If you have a picture to share, please send me a digital copy that might include people, a building, or cave scene with names and a description. B Thanks, Bob Calendar of Events Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 2017, Tucson, Arizona, January 28 February 12, 2017 NCA Mid Winter Board of Directors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St. Louis, Missouri, February 2 8 March 1 201 7 NSS Convention 201 7 Rio Rancho, New Mexico June 19 23, 2017 The 17 th International Congress of Speleology (UIS), Sydney, Australia, July 23 29, 2017 NCA Convention 2017, Host: Mark Twain Cav e, Hannibal, Missouri, September 18 21, 2017 Geology Gem, Fossil and Mineral Show. Cave House Museum of Mining & Geology, Cobleskill, New York, September 30 & October 1, 2017 National Cave and Karst Management Symposium Eureka Springs, Arkansas, October 16 20, 2017 Smok y Mountain Gift Show 2017 Sevie rville, Pigeon Forge & Gatlinburg, Tennessee, (Dates TBD) IAAPA 2017, Orlando, Florida, November 14 17, 2017 Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 201 8 Tucson, Arizona, January 27 February 1 1 201 8 NCA Mid Winter Board of Directors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St. Louis, Missouri, February 2 6 28 201 8 The Sinkhole Conference, Shepherdstown, West Virginia, April 2 6, 2018 NSS Convention 201 8, Whitefish, Montana, July 29 August 4, 2018 NCA Convention 2018, Host: Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park, Glenwood Springs, Colorado, September 24 28, 2018 ISCA 8 th Congress 2018, Genga, Italy, October (Dates TBD) Smok y Mountain Gift Show 2018 Gatlinburg, Tennessee, (Dates TBD) IAAPA 201 8 Orlando, Florida, November 11 16, 2018 NCA Convention 2019, Host: Ruby Falls, Chattanooga Tennessee, (Dates TBD) Got News? Please make sure you let Bob Holt know when you have news to share with the membership regarding you and your cave. It is the goal of the NCA office to continue producing monthly issues of Cave Talk and this can only happen when you help with the sharing of your news. Please send your articles, photographs to March 2017 Cave Talk Deadline Please have all articles to Bob Holt no later than February 15. Thank you


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