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Cave Talk is a publication of the National Caves Association, a non-profit trade association founded in 1965 by a small group of private show cave owners. These initial members sought to bring together show cave owners and operators from across the United States to promote the show cave industry to the public, to share information and ideas, and to lobby for legislation favorable to the show cave industry.
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Robert A. Holt PO Box 625, Cobleskill, NY 12043 E xecutive Director Phone: 518 231 5420 E mail: 1965 Celebrating Our 50th Year 2015 August 2015 50th Anniversary Convention Registration Open Our hosts for the Gala Celebration Convention in Blue Mounds, WI Are You Registered? Don't Miss Out On The Celebration! Register Here: Did You Reserve Your Room? House on the Rock Resort will be the headquarters Our NCA room block is open until August 20 and we have the entire resort reserved. Hopefully you have already made your reservations by now so you are assured of a room at the resort, instead of a substitute motel. We anticipate a larger attendance due to our anniversary. The dates are September 21 25. The number at the resort is 608 588 7000 Don't D elay! Visit the site: OFFICERS President : Steve Rawlings Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 209 728 2101 Vice President : Patty Perlaky Raccoon Mt. Caverns, TN Ph: 423 821 9403 Secretary Treasurer : Bob Holt Mercer Caverns, CA Ph: 518 231 5420 Past President : Greg Beckler N atural Stone Bridge & Caves, NY Ph: 518 494 2283 et REGIONAL DIRECTORS Region One : (CT, DE, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) Rob Arey Polar Caves Park NH Ph: 603 536 1888 Region Two : (MD, VA, WV, KY) John Graves Luray Caverns, VA john.graves@luraycaverns. com Ph: 540 743 6551 Region Three : (IL, IN, MI, OH) Claudia Yundt Squire Boone Caverns, IN Ph: 812 732 4382 Region Four : (AR, IA, KS, MO, NE) Dennis Boyer War Eagle Cavern, AR Ph: 479 789 2909 Region Five : (MN, MT, ND, SD, WI) Tom Hagen Rushmore Cave, SD Ph: 60 5 255 4467 Region Six : (CA, ID, NV, OR, WA, AK, HI, Barbados, Bermuda) Matt Doyle Lake Shasta Caverns, CA Ph: 800 795 CAVE Region Seven : (AZ, CO, NM, UT, WY) Steve Beckley Glenwood Caverns, CO Ph: 970 945 4CAV Region Eight : (LA, OK, TX) Ed Mayfield Caverns of Sonora, TX Ph: 325 387 3105 Region Nine : (AL, FL, GA, MS, NC, SC, TN ) Tim Lacy DeSoto Caverns Park AL Ph: 256 378 7252 Director s at Large Steve Runkle Cave of the Winds, CO Ph: 719 685 5444 Aaron Ginn Sierra Nevada Recreation, CA a sginn Ph: 209 736 2708


Besides the House on the Rock Resort and Cave of the Mounds... We will Visit Frank Lloyd Wright's Taliesin See You In September... In Wisconsin! New Adventure Trail: An Out of the Gorge Experience at Lost River Gorge & Boulder Caves! Visitors have some new ways to experience the spectacular beauty of the Lost River Gorge & Boulder Caves during this 2015 season. A new forest boardwalk trail near the base of the Dilly Cliffs guides you over a covered bridge and deep into the woods for a completely different experience. As you walk along the 750 foot long boardwalk trail, you are completely surrounded by the norther n woods on the way to the Forest Treehouse with its life size animal carvings. Visitors follow the trail up to the birdcage overlook, and cross back over Lost River Gorge on a new, 60 foot long suspension bridge with views of the gorge and scenic Kinsman Notch. This new vantage point will be a prime spot for your photos. Gorge has to offer!


Lost Sea Celebrates 50th Anniversary The Lost Sea Adventure celebrated 50 years as the attraction The Lost Sea on June 19 th Free admission was offered to the public from 10:00 1:00 with about 2500 people taking advantage of the free tour. Lemonade, popcorn and cupcakes were also given to every one. About 3500 people visited the property on the 19 th At 1:00 the opening ceremony started with Keith McCord the owner and many visitors from everywhere attending. The Mayor of Sweetwater signed a proclamation proclaiming June the 19 th from now on as Lost Sea Day. Tennessee Commissioner of Tourist Development Kevin Triplett attended the event along with numerous other state and local dignitaries and officials. Landmark. About 8 million visitors have been to Lost Sea since the opening in i865. At one time Confederate Soldiers mined the dirt in the cave to make gun powder. Because of an authentic 1863 date in the cave the Lost Sea has been named a Civil War Trail Marker. The Lost Sea was actually discovered by a 13 year old boy named Ben Sands in 1905. Ben discovered the lake within the cave idea of opening the cave and the lake as an attraction was form ed. The Lost Sea is open every day but Christmas Day with tours daily and a specialty tour where you can actually come in and do a Wild Cave Tour and t hen spend the night in the cave. Lisa McClung Lost Sea


Steve & Jeanne Beckley of Glenwood Caverns Open The Iron Mountain Hot Springs caves above them. Just Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park resembles that of a have found 56 unique species in those caves, that there may be another 15 to 20 miles of cave stil l to explore, and that the cave same as when he first explored the m, due to careful monitoring of temperature and humidity, a point of authentic pride. EnCompass by AAA Colorado. After 15 years of cave tours, drawing 185,000 visitors last year, Beckley is now focused on a new geologic project The much anticipated opening of the Iron Mountain Hot Springs has arrived bank of the Colorado River o pened Saturday, July 18. A grand opening celebration will be held later this summer. Catering to all who appreciate relaxing with a warm soak surrounded by mountain views, the Iron Mountain Hot Springs offers 16 mineral hot springs soaking pools and a freshwat er family pool with a jetted spa. The family pool is filled with 86,000 gallons of fresh Fahrenheit by the geothermal exchange. A smaller, elevated whirlpool spa offers a perfect soaking temperature of just over 92F, where parents can enjoy the warmer water while supervising their children below. A waterfall provides calming sounds as water cascades from the upper to the lower section. Sixteen smaller, naturally shaped pools are filled with thermal minera l waters that range from 98 to 108F. To provide a soothing environment where guests can relax, restore and rejuvenate in the soaking pools, there is a quiet zone surrounding the area; children ages 5 to 14 must be accompanied by an adult and those younger than 5 are not allowed. The views, wh ich vary from pool to pool, include the Colorado River as it winds through the valley, Iron Mountain, Red Mountain, the Flat Tops and the twin peaks of majestic Mt. Sopris to the south. owne class hot springs destination where people can enjoy the therapeutic, natural mineral waters. to 108F. There are at least 14 minerals found in the analysis of the water; the five most abundant are iron, sulfate, chloride, s odium and calcium. Iron and sulfate are known for their relaxing qualities. Thermal heat from the springs is also used to warm the pools and to heat the walkways and buildings. Meet our management team! (L to R) Bret Pfost, general manager; Norma Prezbindowski, front ga te leader; Amy Price, supervisor; Corinne Diemoz Deraddo, supervisor; Madison Potter, food and beverage leader; and Heather Austin, sales and marketing manager.


owner Steve Beckley lding the bathhouse, restaurant and 18 pools takes an enormous amount of coordination and an impressive number of people. In addition to the structures and pools you can see, the infrastructure beneath the ground took just as much work. We have to get the water from three different mineral water sources into our facility and routed to the pools. The water in the smaller mineral pools continually Richard Nash, of Nash Construction, was the general contractor for the project. Care was taken to use local sources throughout the process, including approximately 50 contractors, vendors and suppliers from the Western Slope. Making sure that the therapeutic waters at the Iron Mountain Hot Springs are accessible to all was also a priority during planning and construction. A gently curving ramp with a handrail provides a gradual entrance into the family pool for those in wheelchairs or anyone who prefers to avoid steps. Two of the soaking poo ls have transfer walls and grab bars that allow a person to leave a mobility device and transfer onto the wall and then into the water. An aquatic wheelchair is available, and the family changing rooms are accessible as well. wonders with everyday aches and pain. Imagine how significant that can be to those facing long term healthcare issues and challenges. We want everyone to feel welcome A lodge style bathhouse greets guests upon arrival. Inside, they can buy passes, shop and prepare for their soak in well appointed locker rooms. Separate changing rooms for families are available to make visits with the kids easier. If guests have forgotten something or would like to pick up a gift or souvenir, the retail shop offers swimwear, sunscreen and pool accessories; lotions, body wash and other personal care items; specialty soaps and candles; shirts; hats; ornaments and candies. Many of th e items are made right here in Colorado. site Sopris Caf located next to the family pool is just the spot. The menu includes breakfast pastries and croissants, snacks, salads, wraps, sandwiches, pizza, hot dogs, frozen yogurt, soft serve ice cream, smoothies, specialty coffees, soft drinks, beer, wine and mixed drinks. Free water and bottle filling stations are available near the family changing rooms in the bathhouse to help guests stay hydrated. The Iron Mountain Hot Springs will be open from 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. through Labor Day weekend, and then off season hours will begin. Admission is $25 per adult, $15 for kids 3 to 12, and free for children younger than 3. An evening soak from 8 to 10 p.m. is available for $15 for adults and $9 for kids. Discounts are available for guests ages 65 and better, AAA members and military. Re entry is not included with admission. To ensure a relaxing atmosphere, capacity will be maintained to make sure that the pools do not become overcr owded. Guests can check availability at A pop up screen will notify visitors when capacity has been reached, and they can check back regularly from mobile devices and table ts to find out when space has become available. Soaking in the iron rich waters while taking in the views from this spot is not a new idea. The history of the Iron Mountain Hot Springs property dates back to 1896, when the West Glenwood Health Spa opened Over the next 100 years, it changed hands multiple times and also operated as the Wash Allen Bathhouse, the Gamba Mineral Springs, the Glenwood Health Spa, the Fort Defiance Bathhouse and the Iron Springs Spa. It was razed in 1996 to make way for a water park project that never came to fruition and sat vacant until construction of the Iron Mountain Hot Springs started in history. Lin k To TV Report About Opening Day: springs glenwood springs minerals/24239/6a3fUaUG6kOuC8dLU9lmtQ


New General Manager at War Eagle Cavern War Eagle Cavern on Beaver Lake, in Rogers, Arkansas, announces the appointment of Guy Schiavone as General Manager. Guy comes to us from Howe Caverns, where he worked as th e Specialty Tour Supervisor. Guy's fianc Emily Ackerman, also from Howe Caverns, moved to Arkansas with him, and is now providing guiding services here at War Eagle. Guy and Emily arrived in mid May, and have already become a vital part of our staff. Guy is kept busy learning all aspects of running a small business, eventually becoming responsible for running the day to day operations, allowing owners Dennis and Vicki Boyer t o devote more time to promotions, advertising and community involvement and already allowing them to take some time off during season! Luray Caverns Rescues Chimney Swifts On July 10, chimney and our crew came to their aid by making a new perch and returning them. Chimney Swifts historically nested and roosted in hollow trees. As American pioneers moved westward across the continent, they cleared forests and removed the swifts' natural habitat. Now, these birds take up residence in masonry chimneys. For more information, visit NBC Has A New Caver! Congratulations to Brad and Lexi Wuest of Natural Bridge Caverns who w elcomed a new baby girl. Brad says: My 3 rd 26 th at 6:05am. She is named after her great great grandmother Emelie and grandma Joye. Baby Millie and Lexi are doing great! Daddy d one too during our busy summer season! Thanks for all the thoughts and prayers during this joyful time for our family!


Did You Know?? All of our Cave Talk newsletters and predecessor Down Under newsletters are now archived online thanks to our fr iends George Veni, Executive Director of National Cave and Karst Research Institute and Todd Chavez Director, Academic Resources at the University South Florida at Tampa who scanned all our material. One of NCKRI's projects is the Karst Information Portal Its current primary function is an on line library of everything involving caves and karst. They are doing this in partnership with the University of South Florida (USF) and other organizations. The Portal contains about 7,000 reports, articles, books, etc. that are freely available and easily searchable by anyone internationally who has an Internet connection. The collection includes newsletters and journals from nearly 20 countries. If you click on this link it will take you directly to the Newsletter section where you will find Cave Talk and Down Under listed. We thank George and Todd for making this available to us. WNS Report Legislation and Grants: Manitoba has listed the little brown bat and the northern long eared bat as endangered species. In addition, Manitoba is the first in North America to protect entire ecosystems the alvar and the tall grass prairie ecosystems are protected. Both bats ha ve federal protection in Canada. WNS is not in Manitoba yet, but is expected in the next 1 3 years. U.S. Rep. Thompson (R PA) proposed an amendment to a funding bill to prevent the USFWS from elevating the northern long eared bat to endangered status for one year. The USFWS is considering requests from the wind energy industry to exempt them from rules to protect the northern long eared bat. In a 2013 study, wind turbines killed 650,000 to 1.3 million bats per year. 35 states and D.C. will receive grants totaling $1 million for WNS related projects. Research: Brown University in Rhode Island is working with University of California researchers to study the secretions of P. destructans. and hel ps the fungus to penetrate the tissues. The next step is to use bat tissue samples to see how the secretions change on a bat. Snake fungal disease (caused by Ophidiomyces ophiodiicola) is similar to the basic biology of P. destructans. They both occur i n soil, grow on a wide variety of substances and possess many of the same enzymes. Snake fungal disease is Both can live by consuming dead organic matter. It is not known why they are attacking living organisms. Other: Chevrolet is re purposing scrap Volt battery covers to make bat houses they have over 700 boxes installed in 40 wildlife habitat sites. The Chevrolet Racing Team had a chance to educate children at a recent N ASCAR event at the Pocono Raceway the children built bat houses. Patty Perlaky WNS Chair


NCA Insurance Column information, news, education and industry hilarity! Develop Your Emergency Action Plan Emergency Management & Recovery An emergency action plan is a set of steps to follow when your business is forced to stop operating due to an emergency situation. It's invaluable when protecting your b usiness, and for certain organiz ations it's mandatory. There are a number of obligations and standards to help you implement best practice emergency management. Planning well in advance will mean that in the event of an emergency situation, you have already taken some steps to protect your business. Consider the following when developing your emergency action plan. Read more : business/resources/develop your emergency action plan -emergency management -recovery 20111007 1ledc.html#ixzz3gXrfCLQ7 List Your Emergency Contacts Keep a list of key emergency phone numbers in a secure offsite location. These should include the local state emergency, police, fire and ambulance services. You could also include a list of recovery contacts such as phone numbers of your insurance company, bank or building society, employees, suppliers and any other key people. Revi ew Your Evacuation Procedures Your business should already have an evacuation procedure as part of your Occupational Health and Safety (OH&S) obligations, and incorporating this into your emergency action plan is a good idea. Consider expanding your curren t evacuation procedures to include broader emergency scenarios that may involve different or additional procedures. Create An Emergency Kit An emergency kit is a collection of useful items and documents that may be needed in an emergency situation. Includ e items such as key documents, phone numbers and emergency equipment for example a torch, first aid kit, portable radio, plastic bags and spare batteries. Your kit should be kept in a prominent place that is easily accessible in an emergency situation. S et Up An Emergency Action Team & Communicate Communication is essential when considering emergency planning and procedures. Consider allocating a person/people to be responsible for any emergency situation. Set clear roles and responsibilities and train them appropriately. Through your emergency staff, you can co mmunicate all relevant emergency information to all your employees. Display your evacuation plan, key phone numbers and emergency supplies (including emergency kits) in a prominent location and let your employees know where to find it. Rehearse Your Plan E xpanding on your fire evacuation drills to include larger scenarios could mean you're much more prepared in the event of an emergency. An emergency action plan will have little impact if it isn't communicated and rehearsed regularly. Keep It Up To Date Wh en you rehearse your plan you may find that there are missing elements or steps that need to be changed. This is your opportunity to update your plan to ensure your emergency procedures are as efficient as possible. It's also important to update your plan each time you have staffing changes, or when you move to a new business location.


WHAT TO DO... Download our Emergency management & recovery plan template to complete your own emergency action plan and use our Prepare your business checklist for a quick reference of all the steps you should consider when preparing for an emergency. Downloa d Emergency Management Australia's Preparing for the Unexpected publication for detailed advice on emergency preparation. MORE INFORMATION... For more information on your OH&S obligations, see our Occupational health & safety topic. Read more: business/resources/develop your emergency action plan -emergenc y management -recovery 20111007 1ledc.html#ixzz3gXrt83Ak Contact Us: If you have any comments, questions or suggestions for the NCA Insurance Column Heather Ginn Insurance Committee Hello NCA Members! I hope many of you October 17 th 24 th Our hosts are Saalfelder Feengrotten Cave & Park in Germany and Eisriesenwelt Werfen Ice Cave in Austria. They have put together a won derful program where we get to explore and experience the caves, culture, architecture, music, tastes and European flair of their old world countries. It will be a great opportunity to network, shar e, learn and make friends with show cave owners and opera tors from around the world. And of course since the ISCA President is from the USA, I would love to see a lot of Americans there! Follow this link to get more information and find the registration forms www.fe If you will be attending, plan on attending or have any questions please email me at Thanks! Brad Wuest ISCA President


From Deep Down In The Archives... The First NCA Meeting 50 Years Ago 1965 Thanks to the Wuest Family of Natural Bridge Caverns in Texas for sending us copies of Harry Heideman n 's slides from 50 years ago which also include d several from PA in 1971, CA in 1972, NY in 1973, and VA in 1976. Clara Wuest Heidema n n is pictured on the far right in the right hand photograph. NCA Convention 2015, (50 th Anniversary) Host: Cave of the Mounds, Blue Mounds, Wisconsin, September 21 25, 2015 NCKRI The Sinkhole Conference, Rochester, Minnesota, October 5 9, 2015 ISCA 2015, Germany & Austria, October 17 24, 2015 N ational Cave & Karst Management Symposium 2015, Cave City, Kentucky, October 19 23, 2015 IGES/SSS 2015, Sevierville, Tennessee, November 3 6 201 5 & Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, November 4 8 201 5 Smokey Mountain Gift Show 2015, Gatlinburg, Tennessee, November 4 7, 2015 IAAPA 2015, Orlando, Florida, November 16 20, 2015 Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 2016, Tucson, Arizona, January 30 February 14, 2015 NCA Mid Winter Board of Directors Meeting, Renaissance Airport Hotel, St. Louis, Missouri, February 29 March 3 2016 NCKRI Deep Karst Conference 2016, Carlsbad, New Mexico, April 11 14, 2016 NSS Convention 2016, Ely, Nevada, July 17 23, 2016 NCA Convention 2016, Host: Squire Boone Caverns, French Lick, Indiana, September 19 23, 2016 IAAPA 2016, Orlando, Florida, November 8 11, 2016 Tucson Gem and Mineral Shows 2017, Tucson, Arizona, January 28 February 12, 2017 NCA Convention 2017, Host: Mark Twain Cav e, Hannibal, Missouri (Dates TBD ) IAAPA 2017, Orlando, Florida, November 14 17, 2017 Got News? Please make sure you let Bob Holt know when you have news to share with the membership regarding you and your cave. It is the goal of the NCA office to produce more issues of Cave Talk and this can only happen when you help with the sharing of your news. P lease send your articles, photographs to September 2015 Cave Talk Deadline Please have all articles to Bob Holt no later than August 15. Thank you


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